Dolphins LB Zach Thomas’ numbers are Hall of Fame-worthy but his absence is a mystery

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  1. sinPHIN

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    Not being a first ballot inductee is not the end though.
     
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    I agree. he should have been considered before urlacher
     
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    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    Zach should be what the hall needs, a very good fb player with the numbers to back it up and of high character. System is flawed
     
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    Urlacher does have a DPOY award and lead a great defense to a super bowl loss with Rex Grossman as the QB, and has about 20 more sacks than Thomas. I think Thomas will go in eventually, just not this year.
     
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    Why must phin fans tear down one player to advocate for another?

    Urlacher, had his issues, but his numbers outside Chicago were respected.
     
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    Zach Thomas’ numbers aren’t clearly better than Urlacher’s; if anything, Urlacher has the edge. And I don’t know how Cote is defining “better career,” but there’s certainly no way you can say that Thomas has a clearly better career than Urlacher.

    Maybe Thomas gets in, maybe he doesn’t. But the fact that Urlacher is in this year instead of Thomas is no injustice.
     
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    Urlacher was a hell of a LB and made a ton of splash plays...on top of that he was perhaps one of the, if not the most popular players in the NFL during his time as a player. While the Hall of Fame should not be about popularity, it does have an impact.
     
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    Zach Thomas was a quiet guy and not a media darling. He didn't have a sack dance and he didn't run up and down the sideline rallying his teammates. He just did his job every week, and better than just about anyone during his era. There is no reason this guy shouldnt be on the ballot.
     
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    Urlacher's career got more notoriety because throughout most of it he was the only player on their defense, make that their entire team. Thomas shared the spotlight with three other first team all-pros (Taylor, Madison, & Surtain) on defense alone.
     
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    While Zach was a great player he was not the "monster in middle" that Urlacher was. I don't know how this author can possibly make the case that "they are the same player" when anyone with eyes could see that they were not at all similar (except for maybe their intensity). But full credit to Zach - the numbers he put up in spite of his size/speed deficits - truly amazing. A huge tribute to his smarts, instincts and toughness. Not a prototypical MLB, but a great one nonetheless.
     
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    Just because "Zach isnt in", doesn't mean "Urlacher shouldnt". Urlacher was a MONSTER, and absolutely deserves the HOF, and as much as I love Zach ... and believe me, I LOVE HIM, I miss him so much ... Urlacher clearly had the better career: 8 Pro Bowls ... 5x 1st or 2nd Team All-Pro ... got to a SB ... was 2000 DROY ... the DPOY in 2006 ... and hes on the 2000s All-Decade Team. To be fair, Urlacher's credentials are better than Zach's to be brutally honest, and it is not an injustice, travesty, or in any way "unfair" that he is in before Zach.

    Now here is the good news for Zach Thomas fans that want him in the HOF (myself included):

    If another MLB is to get elected to the HOF, Zach should be the next to go. His credentials are there, and are certainly worthy: 7 Pro Bowls ... 7 1st or 2nd Team All-Pros (5x First Team All-Pro - one edge that ZT has over Urlacher. ZT was voted an All-Pro more times) ... 2x LB of the year ... and he is on the 2000s All-Decade Team with Lewis and Urlacher ... And with Lewis and Urlacher going in at the same time so fast, that leaves Zach plenty of time to get in without having to compete against Lewis or Urlacher in the coming years in regards to MLBs. Now some years might be more difficult with a whole bunch of guys coming up on the ballot (2019 - Gonzalez, Bailey, Reed ... 2020 - Polomalu, Wayne ... 2021 - P. Manning, Woodson, C. Johnson) ... but Zach could get in one of these years, once the committee gets caught up, assuming they put at least 5 modern-era candidates in each year, which they pretty much do anyway.

    Zach has until the year 2033 to get in as a modern-era candidate. Ill give it to year 2028 ... if he is not in by then, then honestly, I would worry about him not getting in.
     
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    ZT was a great player, but covered several times above, Urlacher was better. And it didn't help that ZT's defenses consistently choked down the stretch. EVERY YEAR.
     
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    It’s true, in the biggest games ZT and that D couldn’t hold up. They got pushed around. I always remember Kevin Mawae of the Jets wiping Thomas out repeatedly when the Fins played them. Gardener and Bowens were big helps to ZTs strengths but he couldn’t overcome his lack of size against better competition.
     
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    Good points man. Urlacher deserved it no doubt. Hopefully in our near future we get to see #54's name called. The man is worthy. But yeah, I have no problem seeing Urlacher, and especially Lewis, going in first.
     
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    I wouldn't call it a travesty that BU got in and ZT didn't.....but Zach for sure deserves to be there. The guy overcame every single "negative" (size, speed etc) to excel at his position. Opposing O's absolutely accounted for him each and every game. We haven't had anyone managing the middle of the field like him since. He most certainly deserves to be in the HOF. What an over achiever.
     
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    I dont get how anyone could say that Brain had a better career. zach had 1720 tkls 17 ints, and 17 ff. to brians 1353 tkls, 12 ff, and 22 ints. the one thing that brian was outright better than zack is sacks. idk just looking off the stats zack is the better mlb imo.
    dont get me wrong, brian deserves it with out a doubt, i just hate that bc zach wasnt a splash guy he gets no credit.
     
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    The stats show that Thomas has a clear advantage in tackles and Urlacher has a clear advantage in sacks. Urlacher was also DPOY and a first team selection for the 2000s All-Decade team. He was also a major player on a team that won a conference championship, whereas the Dolphins defense was rarely in the playoffs at all, and when they were they were often embarrassed past the wildcard round. So I think it’s pretty easy to see why most people believe Urlacher had a better career.
     
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    I'm really hoping for the day Zach gets the call for Canton.

    Once again, I'll be making the trip.
     
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    He was a great LB and has just as much 1st team all pros with Lewis and Urlacher in the same prime.

    He’ll make it in, one day but he wasn’t a in your face guy or all over the place doing interviews and such.
     
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    Lance Briggs was a good player making the pro bowl
    7 straight years playing with Urlacher
     
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    Speaking of defense will we ever have a defense like the
    2002 with 6 pro bowlers and 3 all pro's
     
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    I am hoping Zach gets his due for a linebacker that was supposed to never make it in the league.
     

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