Dolphins looking at possible first-round trades

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  1. FinAtic8480

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    I would trade our 19th for the Saints 27th and 58th, unless a top ten pick were to drop to us like Lewan.
     
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    I think Cleveland would make a good target. You would probably garner a 3rd in the process...and Moses and James will probably both still be there. As will maybe Lee and Shazier...possibly.
     
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    In order to increase the chances of this happening - personally I'm hoping that the QB's all drop out of the top 10 and teams either late in the 1st, i.e. Cleveland, or top of the 2nd try and move up into the 1st to nab a QB and therefore benefit from the 5th year optional aspect of 1st round contracts.

    If there is a run on QB's at the top/mid of the 1st, then I think our only legitimate chance for a trade down is San Francisco.
     
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    This is the first time Ive seen them linked to Fuller. Honestly think IF he gets to 19 he will be the BPA. Unfortunately we have been put in a position where we have a massive hole at RT which puts pressure on Hickey to draft one early
     
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    Book it.

    Saints trade with Dolphins to jump ahead of the Eagles for Brandin Cooks - WR, Oregon State

    Saints - 1 (19)

    Dolphins - 1 (27), 2 (58) OR 1 (27), 3 (91), 5 (167)
     
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    So, we got all crazy 'bout trading up for a player we didn't really need (DJordan), but can't imagine a trade-up for a potential star Tackle like Robinson or Mathews?? I'd punch the card and run to the podium!! We can get a guard later, but Albert and Mathews/Robinson?? Tanny would thrive!! Look at our 2nd and 3rd rders from last year, gimme the trade up all day!
     
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    I've heard the stealers are really interested in Fuller.
     
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    It sure seems like there are more trade rumors this year as compared to others.
     
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    Can someone help me understand this? He didn't cause the dysfunction of our O-Line so I don't get why pressure would be on him to try and find one early, especially in a deep draft like this one. Hickey can improve a weak position on the team or strengthen an already strong position at #19 if he wants to.

    ---------- Post added at 02:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 PM ----------

    That's what happens when they extend the draft lol. Can't believe they are actually discussing extending it even further smh.
     
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    If Hickey can find a starting RT and G in the later rounds then awsome.

    But we all keep forgeting that Hiceky/Philbin have 1-2 years to turn this tea around or its the chopping block.

    Sure, we could use upgrades at certain weak positions. But we are kidding ourselves if we dont say O-line is a hot turd at this point (apart from LT and C).

    Hickey and the team need READY NOW players. Not developmental players that will take 2-3 years to fruit.

    We need plug and play. And that is harder to find in the deeper rounds.
     
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    Well its certainly not his fault I agree. However, he is going to be judged on how well this team does this year. I am a BPA guy...thats my style. Id take Fuller or Shazier or several other players over one of those RT and look for a RT in the 2nd. Im not drafting though...and I can tell you this. If Hickey waits on a RT and that guy ends up getting destroyed this year and Tannehill is taking sacks from that side like we have Clabo out there again...you and I both know who the finger is going to be pointed at.

    Again, I think you can trade down...pick BPA, then trade back up in the 2nd if you think there is going to be a run. I just dont see Moses and James going in the first...maybe one.
     
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    In a deep draft like this one, I'd prefer to trade back. There seems to be many good players that will be available in the top four rounds, not to mention those that fall lower. More chances to hit good players with more picks.
     
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    ehhh can't say i like the targets list...hope it's off

    if miami is gonna go corner at least make it jason verrett
     
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    Not a fan of Fuller?? Thats surprising. I think Verrett is a good fit but I think Fuller is better. He's by far the best tackler in this class...and I think he is excellent in off man and zone in addition to man. He plants well...good fluid hips.

    I actually like both of those guys more than Gilbert.
     
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    Would love that senario.
     
  17. Digital

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    I'm not in favor of those guys at 19, and only Lee and Moses are guys I'd spend a first rounder on.

    But, we would be foolish and incompetent if we were not putting out feelers to determine the general parameters of both trading up and down. I fully believe we have had those discussions and more not mentioned. That allows us options when things do not play out as the mocks thought it would.

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    If Calvin Pryor is not there, or Zach Martin, trade down to 27 and take Ja'Juan James and pick up an extra 2nd.
     
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    We would have to give up way more than a second rounder to move into the top 10. We don't have the picks to make that move this year. Last year we had two second rounders and took a chance.

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  20. Digital

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    There are a LOT of good CB prospects in this draft. If I wanted an instant starter I'd look for who falls to 50, otherwise, there is good CB value in every round and some good talent that will even go undrafted this year.

    While the WR talent is ridiculously overwhelming, it has largely gone unmentioned that this is the deepest CB draft in a very long time ... perhaps ever. There will be several Nolan Carroll type players coming out of the late rounds and UDFA class.

    I would be very aggressive in recruiting UDFA's at WR, CB and OL this year. I think that is part of our player visit strategy with guys like Shaquille Richardson from Arizona. I also like how Seattle put out a recruiting brochure to agents about it.

    This is quite a draft class.

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    TRADE UP!! Superstars help teams win big in this league.

    Last big "trade down" Miami did failed. Could have had Earl Thomas instead we got Oddrick/Misi. Both nice players....but give me Earl friggin Thomas!!!
     
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    i don't buy the corner stuff frankly...but if we do i want it to be verrett...what i hear is fuller won't get to us anyways...and that's fine by me...high in his pedal fluid feet and hips but i see issues in off man...plus i have concerns with va tech prospects they are extremely well coached and many come out maxed out players...

    if it's corner give me verrett...i think that's the ideal scheme fit even if it is gonna be in the slot...

    do i think it will be a corner though...not unless we trade down...they want to give taylor a shot and they paid finnegan too much guaranteed money for me to buy corner at 19
     
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    I think Cooks might go to Jets, one pick before.
     
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    This I agree with. I think its RT early...but I think you can trade down and still get James or Moses who seem to be the best available. I think they will like Shazier and Mosely alot as well. I think Marquise Lee is the sleeper though.

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    This I agree with. I think its RT early...but I think you can trade down and still get James or Moses who seem to be the best available. I think they will like Shazier and Mosely alot as well. I think Marquise Lee is the sleeper though.
     
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    there's a lot of corners for sure and some good prospects...but most of em aren't scheme fits for miami...a lot of press man ideal guys who would get exposed hips wise in our scheme...
     
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    True, but the sheer amount of talented guys will literally make scheme fit value guys available in every round. Some are small, others injured or had a down year, etc., but they are there.

    Personally, I see us adding BPA at 50, who is likely going to be a defensive player, but OL in rounds 1 and 3. After that. I'd be happy if the late rounds were some combo of WR, CB and OL.

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    Conversely, if there is a run on QB's early....a player or two we would really like, might just fall to us.

    I wish we were around 16 or 17, but this draft isn't a bad one to be at 19. We should either be able to get a good player we really like(if QB's and WR's run early)....or we should be able to trade back 8-12 spots and get an extra second.

     
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    I could see Cleveland wanting to find a trading partner to jump Cincy in order to get to Bridgewater first. Word is since Gruden isn't in Cincy anymore to protect Dalton, Mike Brown can finally get rid of him. I don't think Brown has ever really been that vested in Andy Dalton (as well he shouldn't be) and word is he really likes Bridgewater. Assuming Cleveland passes on Johnny Football and takes a Watkins or something they're going to want to jump up from that 26 spot. The spots just in front of them are prime "trade back into the 1st round" spots for teams wanting a QB.
     
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    You don't get why pressure would be on Hickey? Was he brought in to fix the problems, or not?

    If Hickey fails to fix the problems with the roster concerning the offensive line, he will be shown the door at years end. Its that simple.
     
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    Hickey was the Fins 7th or 8th choice for GM and he only got a 2 year deal which is unheard of in the NFL. Most new hire GM's get 4 or 5 years. Hickey has 1 year to get this team to win or else he is outta work at the end of the season and Miami will have a new HC and GM

    Hickey has the weight of the world on him as he is a first year GM with on job security
     
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    I've been hoping we can move down and get an extra late 2nd or 3rd. I'd then take a RT late 1st instead of reaching at 19. Then I'd look for Wr, LB, guard and TE/ safety
     
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    ok. i am taking this as we stay at #19. there are a zillion trade up-trade out scenerios and its pointless do it as a final player selection.

    now, if the interests of players mentioned in the top of the thread are true than there is one choice [to me] and HOPEFULLY hickey has taken a look at at the seahawks blue print on how to beat the hi flying qb's and offenses in todays nfl. that being said......, with the 19th pick in the first round of the 2014 nfl draft, the miami dolphins select................... .









    KYLE FULLER, corner back, virginia tech.[/B]

    fuller is one of my fav players in the draft and want to make this secondary competative for todays pass all the time nfl. our db's as a group, right now, are no where near talented enough to shut down the denver broncos of the world and as seattle showed, that is exactly what you have to have, big time db's across the board. we have exactly ONE right now that you can consider big time in the secondary with a bunch of could be, never will be, older than the hills and injury types behind him. this team needs young, play making studs infused in this group and KYLE FULLER is just the kind of guy you start with.

    calvin pryor [another great choice] and sua-filo and morgan moses [all other tackles being taken] will be there for them at 19. but, in the end, after much war room debate they go with fuller because shut down, play making corners are harder to find. and fuller is all that!!!


    KYLE FULLER is my final answer.
     
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    True we drafted 2 CBs last year pretty high and both suspose to be good players , havent seen anything yet But with other needs its kinda hard to keep going back to the same possion of need when we dont know what we have , with what we have got .
     
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    I agree 100%.
    We were 8-8 last year and we really had no businesses not making the playoffs. If Tannehill progresses and we improve out o line, we should really have a dynamic offense and have a chance to really compete in the AFC.
    If we can give up our first and second rounders to get a franchise RT, I think its worth it. Taylor Lewan? Sign me up. There is a huge drop off at Tackle after Lewan and Z Martin, and I don't think either will fall to 19.
     
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    Verett is a very nice player, but has way too much of an injury history in a tiny frame to be considering at 19. I doubt very seriously that a player with that kind of profile goes in the first round.

    Kyle Fuller is the best corner in this draft, especially for our scheme. If we wait and target one in the mid-rounds a guy like Phillip Gaines will be someone that fits our profile.

    I'm a stats and numbers guy, so I fully endorse the trade down scenario and take my chances. I don't worry myself about past trades not working out. No one would be moaning about Earl Thomas if we had taken Rob Gronkowski and Sean Lee with those picks instead.

    The first step is to get more picks, the next step is to actually take better players when you get them. I'd look to trade down multiple times, gain a few extra seconds and thirds and then really take advantage of the sweet spot in this draft which is not especially filled with stars throughout the first and players in that 20-50 range will be similarly talented.
     
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    I think we would be extremely disappointed if we believe either player is a franchise RT. Martin would make a good G in all likelihood, but Lewan is not a strong enough run blocker to be a franchise RT. He's a LT all the way for me and I'm not overly excited about him anyway.

    There are two elite T prospects in this draft and they are Mathews and Robinson in my mind.
     
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    I would. Two guys who stay hurt compared to arguably the best defensive player in the NFL? I'll take the guy who should have been DPOTY on a SB winning team.
     
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    The trade down then was the right move, we just picked the wrong players. It's the right move now as well.

    Don't fall prey to revisionist history...Earl Thomas wasn't even the highest rated S in his own draft and is in the absolute perfect defense/scheme for his skill set.
     
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    Thread title correction: NFL teams looking at possible first round trade.

    Every team has different plans and scenarios depending on how the draft plays out and that includes contact with other clubs for trade possibilities, player values, etc. And to boot, every team has released misinformation in the past month or so regarding their interests. This whole draft process really needs to move back to April and only two total days. I still remember the good old days when this whole fiasco was wrapped in 2 days and held 12 rounds. Don't get me wrong, I love draft day, but Roger Gotohell is seriously spreading the NFL way too thin.
     
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    Hopefully we at least have options available to either stay or trade back. While I like the list of teams that MIGHT be interested in trading up, it's that wild-card team that isn't listed that suddenly wants to jump on a guy still available (possibly QB) that could get us a decent extra pick or two. If one or two of the big QB's come off shortly before us, I think this puts us in a great spot. If none of the QB's are off, then they will fall to later in the first and we will have to hope for another position to be the hot comodity.
     
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    NOLA is probably the most ideal trade partner unless Bridgewater does an Aaron Rodgers and the Browns gets anxious.

    No way are the Saints as stupid as the raiders last yr. A 3rd this yr (& 6th next yr) is reasonable. Realistically, Miami should have surrendered both 2nds to land Jordan.

    http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
     

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