Dolphins-Redskins Superbowl XVII - 30 years ago today.

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  1. Roman529

    Roman529 Moon Runner / The 3 AM Crew

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    It is hard to believe how time flies....30 years ago today, the Washington Redskins defeated the Dolphins 27-17 in Super Bowl XVII at the Rose Bowl.

    I was a junior in high school. Everyone has probably seen the video of John Riggins breaking the tackle of Don McNeal along the sidelines and running for a TD. We had so many chances to win this game. Fulton Walker returned the opening kickoff for a Touchdown to give us a quick 7-0 lead. Bokamper had a sure INT and TD slapped out of his hands by Joe Theisman. This game hurt me as much as any game I have ever watched.

    Anyone else remember this game or how you were feeling?
     
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    It's scary how fast time goes. I wasn't alive for the game, but I remember as a kid people would tell me about it, and it was referred to as, "Well 10 years ago..." Hard to believe those days were 20 years ago for me!
     
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    I remember it well. I, too, was a junior in High School. That game was a crusher. We had it right in our finger tips and, as you alluded, to Theismann knocked it out of Bokamper's hands at the last second. That was the beginning of the end of the Killer B's. Team's started grounding and pounding on us in subsequent seasons. I always wondered if we would have been better off pulling Woodley in the second half and turning to the Strocker when it was clear Woodley wasn't moving us. It should have been our 3rd World Championship. Sigh! :crazy:
     
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    Woodley was never the same after this. I heard he started drinking heavily and he died of liver failure in his mid-40's. I think Shula should have put Strock in the game...one of those shoulda/coulda moments.
     
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    Remember it well. Of the three Super Bowls we lost, that was the only one I expected to win. I awoke that morning with the instant thought that the Dolphins would finally be Super Bowl champs by the end of the day, after a drought of 9 years. Nine years seemed like a long time in those days.

    I thought our pass defense would carry the day. It was a truly great pass defense. Shut down Fouts a few weeks earlier, in the rematch of the overtime game from a year earlier.

    At that point I knew about pass defense but not net differential. A little bit more than a year later I started getting engrossed in football stats and realized Washington had some edges in that game. But it wasn't until late summer 1987 that I found out about the overwhelming significance of yards per attempt, offensively and defensively. Almost immediately I grabbed my thick stats books and backtracked to this game. It was a stunner, almost like finding a DNA match. Washington had massive edges in the key areas. Theismann averaged more than 8 yards per attempt to 6 for Woodley. While our pass defense was superior to theirs -- 5.7 to 6.8 -- the net was heavily tilted toward the Redskins. I realized Washington should have been a huge play, particularly getting 3 points. If that game were played today, given greater knowledge of relevant categories, I'm convinced the Redskins would be the favorite.

    I have the game on tape but didn't upload it to YouTube. The NFL is eager to pounce on any full game they find on YouTube, particularly a playoff game. But I did upload the key Bokamper/Theismann play a few years ago and so far it's still available:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6PbAF0lYOo
     
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    If memory serves, Walker's TD came after Washington tied the game 10-10. Despite the loss, I felt this was Don Shula's best coaching season ever. To get the Dolphins to the Super Bowl with David Woodley at quarterback and then to actually lead the game 17-13 in the 4th quarter was pretty remarkable. We didn't really match up well against the Redskins. Washington could stop the run and Miami really didn't have a passing game. Still, if Bokamper makes that play the Dolphins probably win.
     
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    If Woodley had completed a pass in the second half we probably would have won. In fact, any drive or production in the second half by our offense and the defense does not tire out. Unfortunately, Strock came in 1 series too late. One other pet peeve from this game... I never have been convinced of Washington's last TD. Out of bounds reception, ruled the defender pushed him out, TD... but I never thought he had a prayer of coming down in bounds, and they never really commented or replayed it in any way (still have not see a decent replay; I could be wrong, but it always bothered me). It was 3rd and goal, an incomplete and Washington kicks a FG to go up 23-17. Two minutes left down six, with Strock and at least a chance. SB losses are tough to swallow.
     
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    Wasnt this the one where Kim Bokamper was too much of a ***** to keep Joe ThEISman from recovering a fumble?
     
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    A total heart breaker
     
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    The only Dolphins loss I ever shed a tear over.
     
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    Thanks for making me feel old today. LOL! I was 10 years old and remember that game quite well. It sure makes me realize my twin 8 year old boys (fin fans) will have memories of these Dolphin teams they are seeing now. Hopefully for them things will be different! Go Fins!
     
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    The incomplete pass? Theisman made a great play on the ball to break up the INT. It would have required a lot of luck to make that INT. It wasn't a typical Sean Smith dropped INT.
    I was 8 when it happened and all I remember is going from concerned into full tantrum mode after the last Skins TD! At some point in my teens I was watching it on a VCR tape collection of Super Bowl Memories (or something like that, the half hour highlights of each game) one day and was like hey he's out of bounds, replaying the catch again and again like SOB that focker was out of bounds.
     
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    I too beleived we got screwed on the last TD. He was out of bounds.
     
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    I was very young, these were my early years watching the NFL. '81 is the first full season I could remember and while I didn't like Miami I did root for you guys in the SB b/c I always rooted for AFC teams in SBs. I remember falling asleep and waking up in the 2nd half. I was disappointed you lost at the time, I feel better about it now :)
     
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    roman529 you remember a play with like under 2 mins left where washington was inside our 20, riggins DEFINITELY fumbled the ball and i think larry gordon recovered. they were up 3 at that point. we wouldve gotten the ball back and still had a chance. refs sucked back then too.
     
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    I don't want this to turn but in the AFC Championship game you guys fumbled, we recoevered but they gave it back to you and that was w/ the game tied at 0 on your lone offensive TD drive so sometimes the calls go for you and sometimes they go against you.
     
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    FW ko return ..............link below
     
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    Kudos for posting this. I remember this game all too well. In fact, I often tell people it was one of the most underrated SBs of all time. The game was a great match-up of mis-matches if you follow. For one, we made a couple of big plays - opening driven Jimmy Cefalo takes a mid range pass and goes 76 yds to paydirt. Fulton Walker breaks SB records for KO return yardage and brings one to the house right after the Skins tie the game at 10 in the first half. There were so many interesting things about this game and all you ever really see/hear about was how Riggins dominated this one and his 44 yd TD run on 4th-1 in the 4th quarter was the play of the game. True Riggins was the MVP. But what's left out are the following:

    1. Other than Riggins big run and a trick play reverse by Alvin Garrett, the Skins running game was the only offense they had that day - and it moved the chains - but painfully and slowly. 3 yards, 2 yards, 5 yards, first down; rinse, repeat. The Killer B's were a great D that year - but the Skins O'Line was just too big and physical for us. This game marked the beginning of an era of dominance by the NFC where they would win 13 of the next 14 SBs using the same formula - big O'Lines, ground and pound and physical D.

    2. The best play Theisman made all day was on defense. His passing was modest at best - under 150 yards. You would think with the running game going, it would have opened up the air for the skins but Miami repeatedly stymied the passing attack for most of the game which is what kept the game close. In fact we picked him twice. AJ Duhe got a pick in the 2nd half around the Skins 40 yd line but we failed to move the ball any closer. Still, the play of the game was not Riggins' run on 4th-1. It was Theisman tracking his own deflection and jarring it from Bokampers arms as Kim hauled in the would-be interception and ballgame (he would have caught it on the goal line stepping into the EZ). The significance of that play was it that it essentially decided the game. Bokamper hands on, Miami goes up 24-13 and there is not enough time left in that game for the skins to keep running 3.3 yards per clip. They couldn't move it through the air. We win. But it wasn't meant to be. So close...

    3. David Woodley's performance and the backstory - may DW rest in peace. Years later the story broke from his at-the-time wife - who claimed Woodley suffered from terrible anxiety and depression / social phobia that he turned to drinking - so much so it eventually killed him - after 1 liver transplant to boot. She claims Woodley drank a case of beer the night before the game - apparently so nervous about playing on the big stage - players say that he reeked of alcohol in the huddle. Whatever the deal was, he should have been pulled at halftime. He was woefully ineffective and in the 2nd half failed to complete a single pass. In fact, he only completed 3 or 4 balls all game! In both '81 and '82 it was the "Woodstrock" combo that led the Dolphins to winning seasons and the playoffs. I'll never understand while Shula didn't yank Woodley (heck, he did it quite a bit in that era) that game which leads to number 4.


    4. I truly believe '82 was Don's best coaching season ever. We had no passing attack, lousy QB play, a great D and a terrific FB named Andra Franklin - how we got to the SB (and nearly won) against a superior Washington team is pretty impressive. Still, not making the move earlier to Strock (he got in down by 10 and just had 1 series) is arguably the only blemish on what was a "genius" of a season in terms of coaching.

    5. The Special Teams were special that day - we all know about Fulton Walker breaking the yardage record on KOs but I believe Mike Nelms did the same on punt returns for the skins.

    I was so upset after this game that I kicked a whole through my bedroom "cheapo" luan fiber door. So I got punished to boot. It was only after many, many years can I objectively look at it and say, "wow - this was a great game" - especially in an era where most of the SBs were / would be blowouts. This one was tense and kept you on edge pretty much all game.
     
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    actually, you lost that game because Mark Gastineau was so busy dancing after sacking Woodley - on our 2 yard line - that he didn't realize he had forced Woodley to fumble. As Gasti-douche was doing his stupid dance, an alert Miami lineman fell on the ball - which was lying between Gasti-douche's feet. Had he not been so preoccupied with himself, he recovers that ball on our 2 yd line at a minimum - heck he probably picks it up and scores and you guys win. Blame him not the refs.

    ---------- Post added at 08:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ----------

    agreed - but that's how they called those back then. If you shoved the guy while in the air it was usually ruled a force-out.
     
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    I was 8 years old when this game was played. My Mom's cousin Steve was a HUGE Dolphins fan, and he got me into watching throughout the playoffs that year. After we shut out the Jerts in the AFC Championship, I was hooked. I can still remember watching the Super Bowl with him, both of us agonizing after that Riggins run. I've been a fan ever since.
     
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    LOL - love the Sean Smith reference - nearly fell out of my chair!
     
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    I was in college and remember wishing we had an NFL caliber QB. Woodley was 0-8 in the 2nd half. The football gods answered my prayers when the Fins drafted Marino 3 months later.
     
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    Agree. Shula is the best coach of all time. He got the most out of his talent. No coach in NFL history could have taken a team QB'd by Woodley to a SB. He was a poor man's Tim Tebow.
    Its tragic that the defense was decimated by the untimely deaths of Larry Gordon (1983) and Rusty Chambers (1981). Had they not died, the Phins may have been able to beat the 49'ers 2 yrs later. I recall an interview about 15 yrs ago with Bill Walsh and he said that their offensive game plan was to attack Miami's young LB's (Jackie Shipp, Jay Brophy). Shula reached and drafted those 2 guys 2 replace Gordon and Chambers. Gordon was one of the fastest and best pass rushing OLB's in the league. Chambers was a tough, above average MLB.
     
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    Damn, I did not know that.
     
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    Rusty Chambers died in a car accident. Gordon died while jogging back home in Arizona (he was diagnosed with idiopathic cardiomyopathy). It really affected the quality of the defense for most of the 80's. Maybe Marino could have won a SB in that time frame.
     
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    Gordon was a tremendous athlete and Chambers was hard-nosed. I never knew they identified the cause of death other than to say he died of a heart attack while jogging in the desert. Tragic and a shame that most people forget about these guys as time goes by.
     
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    Speaking of the niner's game plan, have you ever seen that documentary of the game that shows just how easy it was for SF to accomplish this? Their backs were quicker than our LBs (Craig, Tyler) and they would run little flare passes to them which we couldn't stop. So the LBs adjusted by running to the flat areas at the snap of the ball in anticipation that the pass was coming that way - and when Montana saw the middle of the field vacated he'd just pull the ball down and run 8-9 yds. I believe - and I'm too lazy to go check the stats - but in that game SF only completed 1 pass to a WR. They dinked and dunked us with backs and TEs all game - we couldn't get off the field.
     
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    Yeah we definitely had our chances. That is what made the game so frustrating. Also, I somehow thought Walker's kickoff TD return was at the start of the game....maybe I had this confused with Ted Ginn running back an opening kick in some game. :lol: Your mind plays tricks on you over the years, but I will never forget how Bokamper got the sure pick and TD slapped out of his hands by Theismann. Thanks to the poster for posting the Theismann-Bokamper play. Then a few years later Dan Marino and the Phins played San Fran in the Superbowl and we got beat again :( ...and we haven't been back to the SB since. I just hope we can get back soon and win it. The Dolphins have had 5 trips to the SB....2 wins back to back, and three losses....to the Cowboys, Redskins and Niners. Some teams have NEVER played in a SB so you have to take the good with the bad.
     
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    Thanks for posting the Kickoff return for a TD.....I miss those aqua uniforms. The Rose Bowl is also probably the nicest stadium around. Don Shula still looked pretty young. It just seems like yesterday.
     
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    That wasn't the play, it was earlier where he did recover a clear fumble but they gave it back to you.

    To be fair Rex grossman made a SB and as great as Don was he never won a SB w/ a guy who is arguably the best QB of all time who he had for 12-13 years.
     
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    I was 13 years old and I vividly remember how exciting that entire 82 playoff run was. I think we had like 15 interceptions in the four playoff games, including 5 apiece against Fouts and Todd. In the Super Bowl, I remember scoring quickly, then driving for what looked like another score when Woodley was blindsided and fumbled. That played seemed to give the Redskins life because we were dominating up to that point.

    Years later, I heard Shula talking about not making the switch to Strock earlier. He said had Walker not returned the kickoff right before half, he was going to make the change to Strock in the second half. But after we got the lead back, he didn't think it was the right thing to do. Woodley was brutal the second half and never did recover.

    That was such a special group. I remember a Sports Illustrated article on the Killer B's and it showed how all the different units hung out together. Showed the secondary eating dinner together and the linebackers hanging out by someone's truck drinking beers. Those guys were actually friends off the field and had a bond I don't think you'll ever see again in sports.

    I miss those days.
     
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    Yep, Woody Bennett fumbled, but they said the whistle blew. Was a bad call and I remember Walt Michaels being beside himself on the sideline.

    I'm guessing there are still Jet fans mad about the field conditions. It rained that night before and the morning of the game and there were rumors the Dolphins left the field uncovered to take away the Jets supposed speed advantage. I heard a New York radio host interviewing Shula a few years ago and he kept bringing this up. Shula was getting pretty steamed. The guy was a moron and wouldn't let it drop and wasted what should have been a good interview.
     
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    Many jet fans still comaplain about the field but you beat us twice in the reg season on good fields and both teams played ont he same field. You guys adapted better. I do think it hurt us and it was a little shady what Shula did BUT Miami earned the win.
     
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    It wasn't shady , it was home field advantage.
     
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    True. My brother's a Viking fan and he's team got pounded every time they got to the super bowl. I kind of took for granted those early super bowl wins, but now I'm knocking on 50 and I'm ready for more!
     
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    Yeah, I guess it's hard to pull a qb when your team has the lead at half. Plus, Woodley had seemed to turn a corner a little bit in the playoffs and started pretty well in the Super Bowl. But, had Shula made the switch we likely win the game.
     
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    I remember this game vividly, as I was in High School at the time and when I came home from school my older Brother, who was a Skins fan, took my stuffed Dolphins I had got from Disney and hung them over the banister of our deck with a big sign that read "FISH FRY IN ANAHEIM!". I was so pissed. Everyone else in my family were also Redskins fans so I was out on an island watching this game. I had all of my Miami Dolphin paraphernalia with me in my chair and when Miami scored I would scream and yell and when the Redskins scored they would all point and yell at me. When Riggins broke that long TD, I was almost in tears. I still get reminded of that game to this day.

    The cool thing though was that when Fulton Walker returned that kickoff for a TD, everyone was yelling and cheering for him to get it as he was from our hometown.
     
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    Hey - at least we didn't turn the sprinklers on in the MIDDLE of the game like we did to Seattle this year - LOL. How did Richard Todd ever throw that ill-fated pick to Duhe? That was the case cracker...
     
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    This was my first Super Bowl I went to 2 in my lifetime XVII and XIX. I was 12 years old and my Dad took me to the Rose Bowl on January 30, 1983 for SUPER BOWL XVII. I cried like a baby when we loss 27-17. **** 30 years, I still have my ticket stub. It's locked up in my safe. I am going to pass it down to my son when I die.
     
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    Todd played in 4 postseason games in his career, he threw 12 INTs
     

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