Free Agency Plan with realistic Contract numbers

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  1. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Banned Hammered

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    Jake long 4 yrs 36 = 9 /yr
    Sean smith 4 yrs 30 = 7.5/yr
    Randy starks 4 yrs 32 = 8/yr
    Greg Jennings 4 yrs 30 = 7.5/yr
    Kenny Phillips 2 yrs 10 = 5/yr
    Jermichael Finley 2 yrs 8 = 4/yr
    Matt Moore 2 yrs 4 = 2/yr
    Tony McDaniel 1 yr 1 mil
    Quentin groves 1 yr 1 mil
    Rocky mcintosh 1 yr 1 mil
    Dmitri Patterson 1 yr 1 mil


    = 46 mil/2013
    - bonuses
    = 35 mil/2013
    Cap room: 47
    -35
    =12
    Roughly 10 mil to sign rookies
    2 mil margin of error

    Ive been discussing this plan with friends and this appears to be the most reasonable scenario we've come up with. We would go into the draft still needing a top wideout to go opposite Jennings and a top DB opposite Smith. we would resolve the OT issue but we would still have to fix both gaurd spots. Thoughts?
     
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    I'd rather let Long walk. Sorry. his body is breaking down and he isn't the player he used to be.

    Let Martin man that side and get another RT either through FA or the draft. You'll save a good few million there.
     
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    i honestly don't like the free agent tackles except obviously Vollmer but he would cost just as much. I would agree with you only if we can medically prove that Long can't go back to his original form. If he goes back to the way he was two years ago then that contract is actually a steal.
     
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    Oh I agree, if he can get back to form, but it seems like its an every year thing with him now and this season he seemed to have lost a step...or two.

    I didnt even really see much difference when Martin was in there to be honest so unless he's going to take a team friendly deal like Soliai, I wouldn't keep him around.

    It's kind of like when the Pats let go of Damien Woody a while back. Granted Woody was a guard, but still.
     
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    What about sean smiths play makes him worth.$7.5 million a year?
     
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    MiamiNative0722 Banned Hammered

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    What would be your plan to do with the money of Jake Long? I purposely let Hartline walk because I want to draft Keenan Allwn. If we sign both Jennings and Hartline we won't draft a receiver.

    If we do leave the other wideout for the draft, we would still have to fix OT OG and DB. We could bring back Reggie. I would prefer Long over Reggie, especially because I think Miller and Thomas can handle it.
     
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    Tony McDaniels is probably not going to take that much of a pay cut, but he might considering his role and production was limited this year.

    The Randy Starks contract is a bit high, I realistically expect him to get about $6mil/year and I don't think Matt Moore resigns with us.

    Also, we need to lock up Reshad Jones with an extension this year, too.
     
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    Its going to take that much. DB's get paid. Realize that Richard Marshall got 3 years 16 million. thats almost 5.5.
     
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    I think minimum 6.5 but even 6.5 would be great. Dude is a great player for us. These numbers I think are just realistic contracts at face value, but theres other factors ie comfort in miami, comfort with the organization that might be able to bring them back for cheaper, which would be great. But I think these values represent what their market is.
     
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    Not to be a pain but I count $47 million with what you have

    Am I missing Hartline,Clemons, Fasano, and Garner?

    Thigpen was one of the best punt and kick returners and will have to be signed

    Do you resign Marlon Moore because he's been very good as a special teams player?

    plus we still need to sign or replace 20 other players that will be UFA/RFA
    THIS MIGHT ADD AT LEAST $15 MILLION+ TO YOUR scenario

    Patterson is signed for 2 more years at $5.6 million in 2013 and $6.4 million in 2014
    doubt he plays for $1 million a season

    McDaniel made $4 million this past season and I serious doubt he'd play for 1 million
    when he would get more somewhere else

    I seriously doubt you get Jennings for $7.5 mill

    Sorry but I don't see how the numbers would play out as you have them
     
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    FA:
    Resign: Bush $6, Hartline $4.5, Fasano $2-3, Thigpen and other small resignings $5

    Let Walk: Long, Smith, Starks, Matt Moore,

    Cut: Richard Marshall, Patterson

    Restructure: Dansby

    Extend: Reshad Jones

    Sign: Goldson $8, Wallace ($9) or Jennings ($7), Cox or Grimes $7,

    Draft ($7 million for draft class). That would total roughly $48-$49 million in signings out of our available $49 million. With cutting Patterson and Marshall and rolling over the extra cap space this year, we would have $60 million in cap space. Still leaving $6-8 million in available money (Go out and grab Adam Livitre or fill some holes). All those who nominate me to be GM?

    1. Dion Jordan DE
    2A. Zach Ertz TE
    2B. David Amerson CB
    3A. Kenny Stills WR
    3B. Arthur Brown or Gerald Hodges LB
    4. Best RT or RG available
    5.-7. BPA
     
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    on the 47, I think your right actually.

    We dont bring back Clemons because we sign Phillips under that plan. We dont bring back Hartline because we draft Keenan Allen or another receiver. We dont bring back Fasano because we bring in Finley.

    I don't bring back Marlon Moore, we'll be fine with Mathews. Plus someone in the draft will be a good special teamer.

    of our 20 FA's, 11 would be solved under this plan, and 8 or so would be draft picks. we would have room for one more.

    Cut Patterson and bring him back at that price, Thigpen is under contract. we lose spitler but keep freeny

    I think Mcdaniel or another near serviceable player can be had for that money because it is a pretty limited role. That contract he had was overpaid. I think we can get Jennings for that money, going to Miami to a coach and system that he is fond of.
     
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    Why did u edit out that first paragraph? lol thats a pretty decent plan except I'd prefer to groom a number 1 receiver out of the draft, and with Philbin I think we will do that.
     
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    Felt a little too much, what I put below pretty much summed it up haha...and yes, it's totally possible they take a chance of Woods in the 2nd round to groom him.
     
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    Absolutely nothing. I don't get all these people talking franchising this clown and throwing big money at him. He is average and that's it.
     
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    You're not going to get a DB cheap. Like I said earlier, Richard Marshall got almost 5.5
     
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    I also think we should bring back Starks. I don't want to move Odrick inside. Think Seattle. They use 3 run stuffers and Clemons, then bring in Irvin on third down. Leaves u with no weaknesses. Good against the run, good against the pass. we just need our Bruce Irvin or hope Vernon turns into one. Dion Jordan fits better in the 3-4.
     
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    Patterson is already signed through next year is he not?
     
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    Lol you guys should read the whole thread instead of just the OP, you have to cut Patterson.
     
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    Oh wow I thought I read Quentin Moses on that list for a sec there :lol:

    Twilight Zone moment
     
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    I bet you can get one for less with more than 3 INTS in 4 years. This guy couldn't cover himself with a blanket if he got cold at night.
     
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    Miller and Thomas wouldn't be starting on any other team. A huge mistake from Ireland and if Bush, hartline is let go, you are looking at 4-12 next year. Another Ireland mistake when Long is released. Why does miami's number 1's don't last longer than 4 yrs.
     
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    I can pretty much guarantee you one of Long or Bush will be back.
     
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    It seems as though everyone we bring in plays like crap, the acorns are drying up fast.

    ---------- Post added at 08:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 AM ----------

    Let Sean Smith Walk
     
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    Miller could if he is truly in the fins future.

    ---------- Post added at 08:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:04 AM ----------

    No to Sean Smith or Richard Marshall one can"t cover and the other is hurt.
     
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    Resign: Tony McDaniel, Anthony Fasano
    Franchise Tag: Sean Smith
    Cut: Marshall, Patterson
    Restructure: Dansby, Soliai
    Sign: Greg Jennings WR, Mike Wallace WR (PITT), Michael Johnson DE, Andy Levitre OG, Derek Cox CB (JAX)
    Draft: 1st Round
    Trade Down select: Jake Matthews OT (Texas AM)
    Trade Up select: Tyler Eifert, TE (ND)

    Second Round
    Select: Jordan Poyer CB (Oregan State)
    Select: Cordarelle Patterson WR (Tenn)

    Third Round
    Select: Margus Hunt DE (South Methodist)
     
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    Lol if you think mcdaniel will take a 1mil contract for 1 year your crazy. Lol this ain't madden.
     
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    It'll be interesting to look back at this thread in a few months to see how "realistic" these prices are
     
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    J Tes next generation

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    So you're trying to sell us that Martin wouldn't start on any other team in the NFL? Do watch any football that doesn't involve the Phins? Martin may not be an all pro or even close to a finished product but he's good enough to start on more than a few teams. Watch football
     
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    Im convinced he just starting giving a bunch of these guys 1 yr/1 mil contracts simply to make his idea work
     
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    Franchise S Smith? No thanks
     

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