How One Single Move Changes a NFL Team

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  1. So Be

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    I was looking at last year's Dolphins off season, and what one single move could have meant to our team, referring to the Albert trade which did not happen.

    IF it would have, so many things change. Tannehill would not have been pressured as much, and the O wold very likely have been better. Bully Gate may or may not have happened, as Albert is known as a vet team leader.

    We would not have been able to trade up for Jordan, as Oakland refused our 2nd second round pick.

    We may have taken Eiffert, which would have likely meant that Clay would not have received the playing time to show his stuff.

    We would not have signed Clabo, and Martin would have stayed at RT.

    We would have had another early 2nd round pick.

    We could have won one more game, maybe a playoff game, and Ireland would very well still be here.

    If not, Hickey would have had much less cap space to deal with because of the Albert contract.

    It is strage how one single move could have changed so much but, it would have.
     
  2. dahlmarino

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    I hear that right before the trade died, a butterfly in Brazil flapped it's wings...
    Yeah, the whole dynamic of the team changes if that trade goes through.
     
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    Ireland easily would have still found a way to muff up the draft with more picks
     
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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
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    All well within the realm of possibility. Then again if we didn't sign Keller and let Reggie walk when he so obviously wanted to stay, we might have retained Fasano for more blocking and an actual red zone threat and have had a dynamic game changing potential backfield which both would have kept the Ds more honest regardless of whether or not the OL was a sieve. But even more important to me, if I had only got 5 more numbers on that huge Powerball jackpot right late last year, I'd now be sitting in a chic outdoor cafe on the Riviera across from my yacht, sipping champagne, next to an adoring Angelina Joli look-alike responding to you probably on the same tablet...but with a bigger smile on my face. That's just the way it goes sometimes - or doesn't eh?
     
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    After not firing Ireland after the 2012 season I didn't think it would be possible to get rid of him while keeping Philbin, they would be joined at the hip from then on for better or for worse, so it worked out perfectly for me. If we got really really lucky with Hickey this whole thing may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

    Even if Philbin and Tannehill turn out to be great Ireland and Sherman would have held us back, Sherman was another that had to go so at least Ireland did one good deed for us before he departed.
     
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    If I would have eaten sushi instead of Mexican food ....
     
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    I think the Bully gate was going on long before the start of last season, and I really doubt that Albert would have been able to become involved in something that apparently most of the players on the team knew nothing about until it broke.

    But other than that, I can see where you are coming from. The "what if" game is a slippery slope, though. The one that I always go back to is what if we had taken Brees for nothing instead of giving up a 2nd rd pick for Duante. As I remember it well over half of this board wanted Brees but we ended up missing out on what would have changed the face of this franchise for over a decade. I also remember a lot of people around here wanting Anquan Boldin when we passed on him. To be perfectly honest I think we could take the top few posters from here on Finheaven and come up with better decision makers than we have had at GM over the past 10-15 years. Some times GMs try to hard to pick someone nobody has ever heard of to show off how smart they are. It rarely works out.
     
  9. JTC111

    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

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    We were one O-lineman away from being a good team? It sure didn't look that way.
    For your sake, I hope this week flies and Thursday gets here really fast.
     
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    Martin would have been a snake in some capacity
     
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    Or passing on Earl Thomas to trade down and draft Odrick and Misi.

    Or passing on Patrick Willis to draft Ted Ginn.

    Or passing on Daryl Washington to draft Koa Misi.

    I hope we don't one day add - or passing on Luke Kuchly to draft Ryan Tannehill.
     
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    Vaark, your butt-fumble animation is pure genius. I mean pure, lol.

    LD
     
  13. So Be

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    The difference in this what if is that it is not necessarily a negative, which I guess no one here has bothered to consider. The same topic at Happy Hour had half of the crew saying that this was a positive, which turned into a different discussion.

    Clay, without a potential Eiffert, proved to be a play maker, a VG thing. Many, myself included, believe that Jordan is going to be a star, who we would not have had. Many also believe that the change is power from Ireland to the Philbin/Hickey combo is also a VG thing.

    Kind of disappointing that posters here did not look at both sides, and instead see this as a pointless, sour grapes, what if thread. Phans in South Beach saw it much differently.
     
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    When a single move completely turns a team around, its typically the acquisition of a good QB.

    For instance, take a look at the Seahawks before and after Russel Wilson became the QB. The rest of the roster was pretty much the same except Travaris Jackson was their QB.

    Take a look at the Chiefs before they got Alex Smith. The rest of the roster was real similar. They were running garbage out there at QB.

    Take a look at the Eagles with Vick at QB then Foles in that same position.

    Take a look at the Phins when Pennington stepped in for that Lemon/Beck madness. Night and day.

    Imagine what this team could accomplish if we got ourselves a good QB. The rest of the roster is pretty much loaded and ready to win.
     
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    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

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    ...the dog wouldn't have been blamed for the stink. :lol:
     
  16. So Be

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    WV, in all due respect, if I were you I would start searching on google for recipes on Humble Pie and Crow for this coming year. JMO
     
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    GREAT posts by both. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

    Sarc Attack. lol
     
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    Yep one move can totally change a franchise....I look at the Patriots and wish someone else would have taken Tom Brady before the 199th pick. The Pats probably would have ZERO Superbowl rings, and we would not have had all the aggravation the past 15 years.
     
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    I hear ya, and do get the point you're making that Albert as a single player having a domino effect could have been the linchpin to a whole different season. My point indirectly was that the OL was certainly better in '12, but also there were two additional blockers in Javorskie Lane and Fasano and a dangerous game changing runningback -all of whom if we retained, even with the #28-#32nd rated OL by most analytics, could have made a major difference. Tannehill improved this past season but he didn't have the luxury of improving as noticeably as he did in '12 with a better line and then above and beyond that, a blocking and path clearing FB and blocking/red zone threat TE. Yeah, Clay has come into his own, but he's a hybrid of the two and certainly is more offensively productive but does not come close to providing the protection that our young promising QB needed. In the 20/20 vision of hindsight, the best moves aside from trading for Albert would have been retaining Reggie and Fasano. I don't think that's arguable :idk:

     
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    No argument from me, I wanted to keep both. Bush made play action very believable, and caused all defender to pause for a split second. With Fasano, the D did not know if he was staying in or going out, again that split second.

    All in all IF Jordan is anywhere near the player I believe he will be, this scenario becomes a very positive move. We shall see.
     
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    Joe Philbin had real concerns that J-mart had sufficient strength and skills to adequately protect Tannehill at Left Tackle. The basis of a deal with KC to recruit Branden Albert was in place but Ireland wanted to show himself as a top negotiator and didn't pull the trigger. J-mart at Left Tackle was probably his backup option but that's what he was left with. Jeff loved the negotiating and fancied himself as a good negotiator.
    Ireland's failure to get the O-line talent from numerous expensive Free Agent and high Draft pick investments, is a big reason for his departure. But the other reason is that the Head Coach and GM have to be on the same page and working together. It is possible to interpret Ireland's actions as being disruptive. Leaving J-mart as the sole LT hope was Ireland's big gamble that ultimately failed badly. Joe flagged his dissatisfaction after a loss and McKinnie was traded for the next day.
    It's all water under the bridge now, but I think Southbeach is right in that much was preventable if Ireland had just completed the deal with KC and brought in Albert. The deal was on the table.
    The only good coming from this is that Ireland, Sherman, Turner, Incognito and J-mart have all left the building.
     
  22. So Be

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    True but, there is still the question if Jordan, Hickey, Lazor, Benton, and Clay's development made the move a VG one.
     
  23. roy_miami

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    And if you'll remember we cleared a roster spot during the bye week which was obviously for McKinnie so what in the hell happened between then and the time we finally made the trade?
     
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    Exactly. All those draft picks we had a year ago and we still have holes left and right.
     
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    We weren't one player (Albert) away, but I understand the domino effect. And it really is all about player management. It's about retaining good players, adding new ones that fit, and putting players in a position to win. It's managing and coaching. Good organizations win and lousy ones lose.

    All NFL teams fish from the same pond. It's not as if they're going to Mars, when they pluck player from the draft and free agency. And the coaches are recycled, it's practically incestuous. So you wonder why can't a particular team get it together, you ask yourself over and over. There's no one explanation. It's just a combination of everything. All these little decisions you talked about, it's all of that. You either make the right decisions or you don't.

    When's the last time you felt great coming away from a draft? When's the last time the Dolphins slam-dunked a position? When we picked up Wallace, we could have drafted a great receiver prospect and book-ended him. Teams wouldn't know what to do. Teams would be talking about our dangerous receiver unit. You could do the same thing with TE or RB. Make something GREAT on your team, not just good enough. That's part of having an identity. But every year we cross our fingers. Maybe Hartline will break out. Maybe Daniel Thomas will get better. Maybe Lamar Miller will be dominating. Maybe Egnew will learn to block. Maybe John Jerry will lose some weight.

    All we do is cross our fingers and hope. So I'm crossing them again this year.
     
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    What if Albert participated in the reindeer games with Cogs, Pouncey, and Jerry? He may be gone already.
     
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    I don't agree that we weren't just one player away. If there was a way to simulate it over a million iterations I would bet anybody any amount of money the team is at least half a game better with Albert at LT over Martin. And on top of that we'd be in a much better position going into this years draft still having Martin and even Incognito as viable options on the line.
     
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    Well said. We have two great players in Wake and Grimes. Wake could not make any NFL's team practice squad, and came back from Canada. Grimes was a soon to be 30 year old CB coming off serious knee surgery. How many got those two right?

    Ya roll the dice, and take your chances.
     
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    Have to agree. Albert over Martin and McKinnie likely saves us 8-10 dead plays for loss in sacks, and maybe 15-20 hits and hurries, when RT's throws were definitely affected. Also, while Albert is a bit below average on the run, he is much better than M&M. Maybe Miller or DT get a few more long runs or at least a number of more first downs.

    In no way can I see him costing us a game, and have to believe he was worth at least another win.
     
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    Again, considering Clay is a hybrid and was on the field to make or decoy plays, while certainly Miller and Thomas deserve their share of the blame for both poor pass protection and a schizoid rushing game, considering how clinically discussed around here how the OL blocking ineptitude has contributed, I'm nevertheless surprised no one has yet brought up the lack of a true FB like Javorskie or Polite who could block, enhance the running game by splitting defenders and sometimes plow into the end zone for a score or three. Remember when the debate was raging whether we should meet Vonta Leach's high asking price? Well it looks like Ireland was right on that one, considering Ozzie signed and then cut him as his playing time dwindled with the season... but the thinking was correct.

    The point is, we were looking for a blocking FB and ended up with no blocking fullback or effective blocking TE after letting Fasano walk... and with or without Albert, that void could well have meant 2 games. If we can't shore up the OL through the draft and waiver wire pickups as rosters get winnowed down, hopefully we can find a way to install better component pieces in the backfield and TE to compensate for the OL's shortcomings.
     
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    No matter which player or combination of players we signed I think we can all agree that that $23 million Ireland decided he would prefer to collect interest on sitting in Ross' bank account rather than use it on actual football players would have made a big difference in getting us one more win.
     
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    IF Lazor follows what Philly did last year, no sure thing, they did not have a FB either. It is very strange that we really wanted Leach, and then went with no one at all.

    I do believe that Sims will be much better than a year ago in blocking, and expect some improvement from Clay, who is still adapting to TE.
     
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    3 words -> Aaron Freakin Rodgers
     
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    I was flabbergasted to see Egnew playing fullback
     
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    There seemed to be no plan to replace the effectiveness of Fasano.
     

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