last i heard they wont even let him on the 12 man roster. he's healthy, they just do want him around.
Jason Kidd asks Nets to Trade him
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last i heard they wont even let him on the 12 man roster. he's healthy, they just do want him around.
King Felix
live it up have no worries
he is not healthy, and he is on the 12 man roster...he is either participating in full practice, or not yet...he is gonna have to fight for his time, the bench runs deep at 3..he wont see much time
King Felix
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i think your underestimating outlaw, guy is def top 3 off the bench..while your looking at this trade for the future, i am thinking about this season..trading frye and outlaw, makes this team so weak inside. they already are one of the worst rebounding teams...lafrentz would be back up pf or c, and they would either have to pick up a big in this trade, or call up j-mac(josh mcroberts) from d-league, and he has been struggling there
i would rather trade jack, frye, this years first rounder, top 3 protected, and next years first no protection...i would rather trade webster than outlaw, i dotn want to see any of them leave though...
devin harris and broy=one of the best back courts in the NBA
King Felix
live it up have no worries
i was under the assumption that, dallas is trading there first, not portland. no?
I was just stating that no matter what first round pick the Nets get, it won't be a lottery!
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
You need to read this. Here's a few highlights, though:
Yes, I know, PER isn't everything. However, it's a pretty useful measuring tool. And if you add in the 10 year difference in age, and the nearly $16M difference in salary, it doesn't make sense for the Mavs to trade Harris for Kidd.
Remember that most of Kidd's edge over Harris is going to come in defensive rebounding...an area in which the Mavs are already doing just fine, thank you. For that, they'll give up the HUGE edge Harris has over Kidd as a scorer. That's a bigger deal than you think; if you swap Harris for Kidd, the Mavericks have just three good scorers: Nowitzki, Howard and Terry. Chances are, one of those three is going to be on the bench much of the time. That's going to leave the Mavs a lot worse at the offensive end, and quite prone to droughts if one of those three is in a slump (which, with Terry, is never all that far away, given that he's a pretty streaky shooter).
This is a classic case of looking at name over game. Kidd is still a fine point guard, but if he's better than Harris, he's damn sure not 10 years and $16 million better.
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
i think your underestimating outlaw, guy is def top 3 off the bench..while your looking at this trade for the future, i am thinking about this season..trading frye and outlaw, makes this team so weak inside. they already are one of the worst rebounding teams...lafrentz would be back up pf or c, and they would either have to pick up a big in this trade, or call up j-mac(josh mcroberts) from d-league, and he has been struggling there
i would rather trade jack, frye, this years first rounder, top 3 protected, and next years first no protection...i would rather trade webster than outlaw, i dotn want to see any of them leave though...
devin harris and broy=one of the best back courts in the NBA
Look, this season, the Blazers are playing with house money. Whatever they do is a major bonus. They're not going to win the title unless there's an unbelievably run of luck for them (and by "unbelievable run of luck", I mean "Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash all getting in a serious car accident").
The focus HAS to be on next year and beyond. That depth problem in the middle? Fella named Greg Oden is going to repair that. Frye's a nice enough player, but there's no shortage of guys who can play the power spots and contribute, and it's not like they'll be short of cash. Outlaw's a 3, maybe a 4 if they go small, and long-term, he's not a great fit. Not as good as Webster, at least.
If they could get Harris without giving up Outlaw and Frye, I'm sure they'd love to do it, but there's no way it's happening. In fact, the whole thing should fall through if the Mavs come to their senses.
Ferretsquig
Perennial All-Pro
You can't even compare the games of the two players, let alone the numbers they produce. Harris isn't a true PG, hes a slasher in a PG's body. The Mavs have learned to play without having a point on the floor but just think what a player of Kidd's caliber could do with all the talent they've assembled in Dallas.
Currently Dallas sits at 21st in the NBA in assists per game. This on a team that averages 100+ points a game. Analyze those numbers.
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
Assists aren't everything. Points are. And the Mavs are second in offensive efficiency with Harris, while NJ is 25th with Kidd. I suspect this is due in no small part to the fact that Kidd is a horrible shooter, while Harris is a very good one. Anyway, whether he's an according-to-Hoyle point guard or not, the offense is obviously running pretty darn well with him. It's not like there's a whole lot of room to get better. Kidd runs a mean fast break, you say? Great. Who's he going to run with in Dallas? That's a team that just does not get out and run. Hell, Harris is one of the fastest players in the NBA, and yet the team is still slow. So one of Kidd's primary assets, his ability to run a fast break, is going to be largely wasted in Dallas.
Did I mention that Harris is TEN YEARS YOUNGER? And $16 million cheaper this year and next? I'm going to keep beating this drum until someone actually addresses the point with something other than "oh, he's Jason Kidd, just look at those passes!"
I find it impossible to believe that Kidd is so much better that they can justify that kind of increase in cost, both in dollars and long-term success.
#1dolphinsfan
Perennial All-Pro
I dont like the Lakers but i can see them Trying to get Jason Kidd he would help out Kobe ALOT
Ferretsquig
Perennial All-Pro
Any team can run the fast break. All it takes is a point guard who can push the ball and some bigs who can make a proper outlet pass. The Mavs have plenty of finishers....just noone to guide them.
And yes the offense is producing, and continues to do so until the inevitable happens and they run into someone against whom they can't take advantage of individual matchups. The status quo is pretty high, but obviously not high enough.
The same argument applies to Gasol in LA, and Shaq when he came to Miami. If you win a title it justifies the cost, otherwise its a mistake. Salary is meaningless in the NBA, and the difference will do nothing other than make Cuban a little poorer.
As for the age difference....who cares? Would Miami be better now if they had kept Caron and Lamar and the draft pick? Of course. But fans and owners want championships, not perpetual playoff contenders.
King Felix
live it up have no worries
did you hear the new deal?
blazers give jack frye rodriguez webster and a first rounder and they get back devin harris, brandon bass, and nick fazekas
i would much rather do this trade, i think that maybe blazers could even keep there first rounder...the main problem with the bigs will be solved bass is a energy banger type guy, which portland needs badly...fazekas would be an okay backup..i'd much rather keep outlaw than webster...unless webster starts to improve a lot i dont see him in the blazers future, he is on a contract year and going to want a lot more money then he is going to get...rodriguez i loved last year, this year he has been to inconsitent, i used to put him almost untradeable but the blazers need to get rid of him before all his value is gone.
Amars
Championship or nothing.
Mark Cuban to offer Kidd 20mill/yr extension
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
That's GOT to be tampering. I mean, I don't think you could get closer to a textbook definition of tampering if you tried.
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
Doesn't Dallas run into the same problem when they face a team that can control Nowitzki, and Jason Terry goes cold? Harris' ability to score ensures that Dallas pretty much always has three legit scoring options on the floor at all times. Without Harris, and with Kidd, if Nowitzki isn't lighting it up, they've got to rely heavily on Terry and Howard. If Terry is cold, they're screwed. Kidd's passing will obviously create a few more opportunities, but as I've said, the tradeoff for his lousy shooting is going to negate most, if not all, that.
Salary is meaningless in the short term, perhaps. But in the long term, you need reasonably-priced players to contribute. The salary cap and luxury tax prevents you from simply stockpiling high priced talent ad infinitum.
As for the age difference, you might be right if we were talking about a prospect who wasn't doing anything for the team, i.e. the recently dealt Javaris Crittenton. But my point is that Harris gives the Mavs similar (maybe better) production than Kidd, and can do so for many more years. A slight bump in offensive production from going from Harris to Kidd is not going to outweigh the fact that they could have Harris doing that for the next decade, and at a reasonable cost, to boot, thus allowing them to use their resources elsewhere.
Anyway, you've obviously got your POV on this, and that's fine. Agree to disagree.