ckparrothead
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Victor Ochi was very good during the week of practice. Not as good as Javon Hargrave, and you could definitely argue that Tyrone Holmes flashed as much in practice. The plus for Ochi is that he has a good wingspan and good arm length despite his being only 6'1" & 246 lbs. He's got an 82 inch wingspan which is 6'10".
The guy I compare him to is Elvis Dumervil. There was nothing about Dumervil's physical measurements that supported the idea that he could do in the NFL what he did at Louisville (which was kill quarterbacks on the regular, he was phenomenal at Louisville)...EXCEPT for Dumervil's wingspan. He was only 5'11" and 257 lbs soaking wet, but he had a much, much bigger wingspan. Dumervil's forty wasn't impressive, it was a 4.75 hand-held. I don't really trust 10 yard splits because there are a sh-t ton of precision issues involved in them whether you're doing electronic or hand-held but his 10 yard split wasn't special either, 1.63 or 1.65 depending on whose watch you're using. Ochi's was 1.64 or 1.66 depending on whose watch you use. Also not a great 10 yard split.
The problem is, you don't get to be Elvis Dumervil (the great exception) just because your measurements suck ass. A million other players had measurements that sucked ass and they didn't go on to be Elvis Dumervil. Many of them quite productive as college players, and at levels of competition much better than seen at Stony Brook.
Ochi did well at the Shrine practices and at the Shrine game itself. During the practices he got to abuse some guys like Taylor Fallin and especially Keith Lumpkin who as I recall was just awful. During the game he had the sack on Lene Maiava who had uniquely awful technique on the play. I remember Jeremiah was like "there were all kinds of things wrong with that set but I'm going to ignore all that right now and let's talk up Ochi because that's the dude we talked up before the game started". The rest of the time he was unblocked or the play had some backfield stuff going on that gave the advantage to a speed rusher, etc. You'll notice that Stephane Nembot and Tyler Marz really had no trouble with Ochi, and Alex Lewis had no more trouble with Ochi than he did Mike Rose.
All in all, Tyrone Holmes had the more impressive game and is the more impressive prospect. You saw during the game Holmes beat more blocks where he wasn't set up for advantage. He earned more during the game, including a holding call on Fahn Cooper countering to the inside when he saw Fahn over-set, and then a sack on Fahn on a classic 3rd down outside speed rush. He did that inside counter on Fahn twice actually but a back picked him up the other time after he got away from Fahn clean. Got another pressure around Fahn's outside shoulder on a seven step drop, I mean he was just all over Cooper during the game. Holmes looked strong against the run too, really extended his arms, controlled the gap, got off the block, showed off his upper body strength. He easily defeated several attempted cut blocks, even by Brandon Shell. He was defeating double teams by the end. Granted Fahn Cooper is pretty awful.
During the practice week I was tipped off to look at Ochi and I thought he was impressive. I did get the feeling he was being impressive in situations that favored him by so predictably rushing the outside in speed rush. I didn't get the feeling there was a complete game out of him. I knew nothing of Tyrone Holmes so he flashed at me more organically and then had the better game. And then I look at Holmes on Montana tape, 18 sacks, damn impressive what he did to North Dakota State, and I see what kind of Pro Day he had running a 4.59 with a 37.5 inch vertical, 28 bench reps and 7.00 cone...that's the guy I'm taking first if I'm looking for a value play pass rusher later on. But I do like Ochi and he's been on every one of my underrated lists since the Shrine practices.
The guy I compare him to is Elvis Dumervil. There was nothing about Dumervil's physical measurements that supported the idea that he could do in the NFL what he did at Louisville (which was kill quarterbacks on the regular, he was phenomenal at Louisville)...EXCEPT for Dumervil's wingspan. He was only 5'11" and 257 lbs soaking wet, but he had a much, much bigger wingspan. Dumervil's forty wasn't impressive, it was a 4.75 hand-held. I don't really trust 10 yard splits because there are a sh-t ton of precision issues involved in them whether you're doing electronic or hand-held but his 10 yard split wasn't special either, 1.63 or 1.65 depending on whose watch you're using. Ochi's was 1.64 or 1.66 depending on whose watch you use. Also not a great 10 yard split.
The problem is, you don't get to be Elvis Dumervil (the great exception) just because your measurements suck ass. A million other players had measurements that sucked ass and they didn't go on to be Elvis Dumervil. Many of them quite productive as college players, and at levels of competition much better than seen at Stony Brook.
Ochi did well at the Shrine practices and at the Shrine game itself. During the practices he got to abuse some guys like Taylor Fallin and especially Keith Lumpkin who as I recall was just awful. During the game he had the sack on Lene Maiava who had uniquely awful technique on the play. I remember Jeremiah was like "there were all kinds of things wrong with that set but I'm going to ignore all that right now and let's talk up Ochi because that's the dude we talked up before the game started". The rest of the time he was unblocked or the play had some backfield stuff going on that gave the advantage to a speed rusher, etc. You'll notice that Stephane Nembot and Tyler Marz really had no trouble with Ochi, and Alex Lewis had no more trouble with Ochi than he did Mike Rose.
All in all, Tyrone Holmes had the more impressive game and is the more impressive prospect. You saw during the game Holmes beat more blocks where he wasn't set up for advantage. He earned more during the game, including a holding call on Fahn Cooper countering to the inside when he saw Fahn over-set, and then a sack on Fahn on a classic 3rd down outside speed rush. He did that inside counter on Fahn twice actually but a back picked him up the other time after he got away from Fahn clean. Got another pressure around Fahn's outside shoulder on a seven step drop, I mean he was just all over Cooper during the game. Holmes looked strong against the run too, really extended his arms, controlled the gap, got off the block, showed off his upper body strength. He easily defeated several attempted cut blocks, even by Brandon Shell. He was defeating double teams by the end. Granted Fahn Cooper is pretty awful.
During the practice week I was tipped off to look at Ochi and I thought he was impressive. I did get the feeling he was being impressive in situations that favored him by so predictably rushing the outside in speed rush. I didn't get the feeling there was a complete game out of him. I knew nothing of Tyrone Holmes so he flashed at me more organically and then had the better game. And then I look at Holmes on Montana tape, 18 sacks, damn impressive what he did to North Dakota State, and I see what kind of Pro Day he had running a 4.59 with a 37.5 inch vertical, 28 bench reps and 7.00 cone...that's the guy I'm taking first if I'm looking for a value play pass rusher later on. But I do like Ochi and he's been on every one of my underrated lists since the Shrine practices.
