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"Maxwell? Kiko? Mario? This Is Madness!" "Madness?...THIS! IS! GAAAAAASE!"

I wish we would have paid Miller. I will miss Lamar, much rather pay a couple extra million for him than some old scrub
 
I pay very close attention, thank you.

The Cover 3 Seattle runs has zone and man principles. They're not playing true man unless they're playing Cover 1, which they pepper in. Basically, Maxwell didn't have to worry about crossing routes, etc. while in Seattle the way he did in Philly, and in Philly, you saw his lack of COD bite him in the ass. If he gets to press and run in a straight line, he's good.
 
Kiko is low risk high reward. I really like that part of the trade

He was a monster in Buffalo for a year, if I recall. This is a very good pick up. No one likes Chip Kelly, that's why he underachieved in Philly
 
The Cover 3 Seattle runs has zone and man principles. They're not playing true man unless they're playing Cover 1, which they pepper in. Basically, Maxwell didn't have to worry about crossing routes, etc. while in Seattle the way he did in Philly, and in Philly, you saw his lack of COD bite him in the ass. If he gets to press and run in a straight line, he's good.

Not to be haughty, but I'm not sure what you're trying to explain here as a rebuttal to what I stated earlier.

VJ's scheme is versatile and Maxwell will be asked to do similar things here as he was with the Eagles, and it won't be the simple press & bail technique in Seattle with Earl Thomas covering up for mistakes.
 
You do hear of players refusing to play for the team they are about to be traded to and it gets nixed. Rare but it does happen.

Should have traded Grimes to the Baltimore Ravens for a swap of 1st round picks... Yeah!
 
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Yes, yes, yes, we are all a bit taken aback/coping with the Dolphins deals thus far. Let's put that aside for a second.



I want to focus on WHY the deals we've seen got done. People are blankly assigning these deals to Tannenbaum because they appear moronic (and I don't blame people for that), but the fact is these moves point to input from his new coaches Adam Gase and Vance Joseph. -Especially Gase, and here's why:


Both Gase and Joseph said when they were hired that they pride themselves on gearing their sides of the ball to the personnel they have, putting the players in the best positions to succeed by playing to players' strengths. This inherently implies an "I'm smarter than you are" attitude to other coaches in feeling they can get more out of players simply by properly scheming around them. I have absolutely no idea if this is true, but it was around the 500th time I heard Gase say this that it became obvious this is a core aspect of his identity the team's identity moving forward.


So, if you are a coach who thinks he can transform a player simply by putting them in a situation they have had prior success in, who do you target? Maybe...


Byron Maxwell - A successful zone corner in Seattle put into a man scheme in Philly. He has one bad year and is called a bust. Dolphins want to put him back into zone scheme.

Kiko Alonso - A successful MLB moved to OLB, then injured. He has one bad year when he is able to play again and is labelled "a shell of his past self". Theoretically Dolphins want to put him back at MLB, where he was a stud.


Mario Williams - A DE who was forced in Rex Ryan's scheme to drop back into coverage and do less straight rushing the QB. He has one bad year, and is labelled "Lazy". Dolphins want to use him as their primary pass rush specialist.


Now, none of this is to say ANY of this is going to be successful, but it at least shifts the thinking from "Tannenbaum did this all alone because he has the IQ of a bug" to thinking that's more in line with what Gase has repeated about himself over and over. He believes himself a "player optimizer", and with limited options out there for some major holes on defense, these are his "wounded animal" rehabilitation projects.


We will see VERY early on in the season just how good Gase's method is for reviving players to their past glories. I'm now scouring the remaining free agent market with this thinking in mind, trying to predict who the Dolphins will target. Spotlight is on players who were successful 2 years ago, had "one bad year"...but were in different schemes for that year. There is a common thread here, gentlemen.


Flawed as it may seem on the surface, there IS some method being deployed behind this madness. Fingers crossed it works out. Lord knows this team needs to win at some point within our lifetimes.

Interesting and hopefully true theory.

On paper though we lost out. Removed from our team so far are young healthy accending players with better stats last year and being replaced with older, injured decending players with much worse stats last year.

So will the paper facts win out over your theory is the question. Hopefully for the dolphins you are right.
 
I wish we would have paid Miller. I will miss Lamar, much rather pay a couple extra million for him than some old scrub

I'm with you there...But CJ is definitely not a scrub in fact he may fit our system better than Lamar did. Think he's better in those 4th and 1's. They are crying like us over on the Denver boards...
 
I'd rather have CJ Anderson than Miller personally.

Me too. This Broncos decision whether or not to match is a huge moment for the prospects of this offense. I am going to celebrate in a major way if the Broncos decide to pass. Suddenly we would have a very varied, dynamic set of proven weapons all over the field and our offseason focus on offense then shifts squarely to the O-Line and backup QB.

Comparing sides of the ball on this team is ridiculous. If this draft is not almost all defensive players, something went horribly, horribly wrong.
 
Me too. This Broncos decision whether or not to match is a huge moment for the prospects of this offense. I am going to celebrate in a major way if the Broncos decide to pass. Suddenly we would have a very varied, dynamic set of proven weapons all over the field and our offseason focus on offense then shifts squarely to the O-Line and backup QB.

Comparing sides of the ball on this team is ridiculous. If this draft is not almost all defensive players, something went horribly, horribly wrong.

Not if our draft includes Cody Whitehair, the OG from Kansas State. Likely in a trade down in the first, or trade up in the second.
 
So why not mortgage our future on 3 guys who had terrible years last year!

I'd argue that dropping a few spots in the first round and signing a 16 million dollar contract instead of an 85 million dollar one is not quite "mortgaging the future"
 
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