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"Maxwell? Kiko? Mario? This Is Madness!" "Madness?...THIS! IS! GAAAAAASE!"

No it wasn't, they've always played Cover 3 Man since Carroll arrived.

Which is actually what were going to run and Cinco runs if you pay attention. But you can also go look at the Eagles history of CBs the last several years. They're record is like our record with OL.

Also something else to consider with OV. Despite everything the staff says, I think history will show that the team wants bigger DEs.
 
Which is actually what were going to run and Cinco runs if you pay attention. But you can also go look at the Eagles history of CBs the last several years. They're record is like our record with OL..

I pay very close attention, thank you.

VJ's defense will be an attacking one gap 4-3 Over, which is modeled after Jim Schwartz's. He uses the Cover 2 shell as coverage and also to disguise Cover 4 & 6 shells as well with a mix of zone & man. He does also call Cover 3 shells for a change up look. VJ calls about 50/50 press coverage but not the physical jams you see from such teams as Seattle; rather CB's are 2-3 yards off LOS.

Concerning Maxwell, he played well in Seattle by being physical and jamming WR's at the LOS with All Pro FS Earl Thomas to clean up for him over the top in their Cover 3 man. When VJ does call press the CB's will line up 2-3 off the LOS and we dont have any range at FS for the moment.
 
I'm completely spit balling here because I have no clue....

If we trade to acquire CB Maxwell, then cut Grimes.... does Maxwell not count towards Grimes loss? I'm just trying to figure out how we picked up compensatory draft picks out of this....

Is Maxwell not considered a "new signing" because we kept his current contract?
 
I'm completely spit balling here because I have no clue....

If we trade to acquire CB Maxwell, then cut Grimes.... does Maxwell not count towards Grimes loss? I'm just trying to figure out how we picked up compensatory draft picks out of this....

Is Maxwell not considered a "new signing" because we kept his current contract?

I believe that yes, it is limited to free agents. That said, Grimes was not a free agent either, so no compensatory picks come out of this.

We WILL get a nice pick when Vernon is scooped up. Most likely a 3rd.
 
Looking forward to the potential in Alonso
I'm coming around on Mario
Don't like the Vernon leaving but at the rumored prices had to be done
Not happy at all with the deal for Maxwell, should have just went after Kiko
Going to be devastated losing Miller
Waiting on the Grimes release

My line of thinking from beginning to end in a nutshell...Thanks :up:
 
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Ummm Mario was Lazy this picture will show you he quit.

Actually Kiko was an OLB and started getting hurt wheb moved inside because he is undersized and doesn't have the bulk
 
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Ummm Mario was Lazy this picture will show you he quit.

I definitely concede Williams took plays off, but that can be a morale thing in being unhappy with how he was being used. Take it from a fan of the Miami Dolphins, who score a perfect A+ for quitting at the end of the season under Joe Philbin.
 
The moves make sense, like you said from a scheme fit. Both players have some really good tape from years past. Seems like a good risk to take considering Miami isn't going to win bidding wars this year with the cap space the team has.

I have reservations about trading down in the 1st and potentially missing on an elite player, but maybe the teams' target is someone who will be there at #13.
 
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Yes, yes, yes, we are all a bit taken aback/coping with the Dolphins deals thus far. Let's put that aside for a second.



I want to focus on WHY the deals we've seen got done. People are blankly assigning these deals to Tannenbaum because they appear moronic (and I don't blame people for that), but the fact is these moves point to input from his new coaches Adam Gase and Vance Joseph. -Especially Gase, and here's why:


Both Gase and Joseph said when they were hired that they pride themselves on gearing their sides of the ball to the personnel they have, putting the players in the best positions to succeed by playing to players' strengths. This inherently implies an "I'm smarter than you are" attitude to other coaches in feeling they can get more out of players simply by properly scheming around them. I have absolutely no idea if this is true, but it was around the 500th time I heard Gase say this that it became obvious this is a core aspect of his identity the team's identity moving forward.


So, if you are a coach who thinks he can transform a player simply by putting them in a situation they have had prior success in, who do you target? Maybe...


Byron Maxwell - A successful zone corner in Seattle put into a man scheme in Philly. He has one bad year and is called a bust. Dolphins want to put him back into zone scheme.

Kiko Alonso - A successful MLB moved to OLB, then injured. He has one bad year when he is able to play again and is labelled "a shell of his past self". Theoretically Dolphins want to put him back at MLB, where he was a stud.


Mario Williams - A DE who was forced in Rex Ryan's scheme to drop back into coverage and do less straight rushing the QB. He has one bad year, and is labelled "Lazy". Dolphins want to use him as their primary pass rush specialist.


Now, none of this is to say ANY of this is going to be successful, but it at least shifts the thinking from "Tannenbaum did this all alone because he has the IQ of a bug" to thinking that's more in line with what Gase has repeated about himself over and over. He believes himself a "player optimizer", and with limited options out there for some major holes on defense, these are his "wounded animal" rehabilitation projects.


We will see VERY early on in the season just how good Gase's method is for reviving players to their past glories. I'm now scouring the remaining free agent market with this thinking in mind, trying to predict who the Dolphins will target. Spotlight is on players who were successful 2 years ago, had "one bad year"...but were in different schemes for that year. There is a common thread here, gentlemen.


Flawed as it may seem on the surface, there IS some method being deployed behind this madness. Fingers crossed it works out. Lord knows this team needs to win at some point within our lifetimes.

Good point!
 
Talk about madness, bold prediction Ryan Tannehill gets traded to Denver.
 
Tannehill to Denver for a 1st? I'd be okay with that with any other team BUT Denver

Cupboard is bare in Denver. They may wind up with Matt Moore!

Gase pushed all his chips to the center of that table with Tannehill after talking him up so much. It's ride or die time for Ryan.
 
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