Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Dec 30, 2003.
Ron Wolf Declines to Be Interviewed for GM Job
From the OFFICIAL site.
i'd rather him say "No" upfront than have another situation like JJ where his heart just wasn't in it.
The article does say that the Phins plan on having Wolf in a consultant role once his contract with Green Bay expires in May.
Also, the NFL has told Miami that they can't interview Scott Pioli till after the playoffs. That pretty much takes Pioli off the list.
Looks like it is down to four guys:
Does anyone really think Rick is a serious candidate?
I don't think anyone is actually informed when it comes to these candidates but I'm a little worried that the organization is making a mistake by not taking Spielman seriously for this job.
It just seems a little weird to be looking at GMs with checkered pasts when we got a guy in the front office that some are speculating will be snapped up as soon as he decides to leave.
That's without mentioning the good relationship Spielman already has with the various agents. We have all read quotes from various agents commending the honest dealings of the Dolphins organization. Do we really want to p*ss on that?
I'm with you. I say keep Spielman. The problem is that it will give a rather cosmetic change a really Cosmetic look.
I do think that Spielman is an up and comer whom I'd hate to lose, esp., when I hear that he wanted Boldin, but Wanny blocked it for Eddie Moore instead.
They should have fired Wanny and made Spielman G.M.
no i dont think rick is really being considered for the position why would they interview other pepole? rick has done an excellent job and should have done been promoted in my book.if they thought he had what it takes they would not interview other pepole i have a feeling this will be a mistake just like keeping wanny.allthough randy mueller is an excellent candidate rick is still getting shafted in my book what has he done to not get the job? for some reason detroit was really interrested in rick but we are not. i can not understand the thinking of our team at this point.
The worry that if Wanny fails again Spielman will feel some commitmant to the guy who brought him here.
I agree: keep Rick. I'd rather he be around long after Wanny fades away into the sunset. As far as production, he's done the best job of anything that rode in with Wanny.
I only hope Wolf didn't say no due to possible lack of hiring/firing coaches power.
Exactly what I was going to ask Muck. Why not keep Spielman? He knows what we need. He has been here done that, but he has never been allowed to have the final say in things. If he would have, we would have Anquan Boldin on this squad. Re-Sign Spielman!!
Based on nothing but intuition: Wolf is the only person they'd not hesitate to give hiring / firing authority to (coaches).
Dave was Spielman's Boss
Maybe its not a good thing that the guy that worked for you now becomes your boss. Maybe I am wrong but, there are business protocols that are usually followed...
So for this reason I don't believe he will get it...
Other than that, I believe Rick can do a great job here or anywhere.
I think the biggest worry is that if Rick is promoted, he may still defer some on decisions to Wannstedt despite having the final say.
The question is, if it comes down to a draft pick like they had last year. Will Rick take the guy he wants when Wannstedt is telling him that he likes so and so?
No knock on Rick, he's done a great job and has a very bright future, but not in Miami. When they gave Dave 2 more years it sealed the fate for Spielman. There is no way they would put him in a position above Wanny. If they did then this whole hiring a GM fiasco is just cosmetic. I would much rather have gotten rid of Wanny and kept Spielman. But since Dave is in Spielman has to go.
A position is open. The team owes it to itself and to its fans to explore the various possibilities. If the Dolphins WEREN'T interviewing other candidates I'd be concerned. Maybe someone else could do a better job than Spielman. Modrak is someone to be taken seriously. So is Mueller. Why wouldn't Miami at least interview them? If not impressed, THEN promote Spielman.
i can't remeber witch article i was reading yesterday but it seems to me that eddie jones plans on bringing in a GM and retaining spielman. he is under contract for one more year and has an ask permission clause in his contract.
my thoight at the time of reading was that the team would bring in wolf short term and have spielman work under him. possibbly thinking wolf would not want to stay for long.
anyway, the impression i got from the article was that it was up to spielman to stay or go.
i just can't remeber which article it was....
I don't think that will happen if Randy Mueller is hired. It's already being speculated that Randy Mueller's brother, Rick Mueller, will leave his position with the Saints to work with his brother in Miami.
Rick Mueller is currently the Director of Player Personnel in New Orleans.
the article was geared towards the hiring of wolf. i think the FO knows what it has in spielman and want to find a way to keep him. it would be uncomfortable as some have stated to promote him above wanny.
my first thought is screw what others may think and too bad for wanny. he should have done a better job. it would be a shame if we let spielman go.
I know what you mean DOLFAN1. Spielman is a class act and a smart guy. If anyone deserves to be spared it's him not Wanny. But I don't think anything would change if they made him GM. Just not a good situation since he was hired by the guy he would have authority over. Hopefully they do retain him even if they get a GM.
GreenFin, Dolphan1, I would love to keep Rick and I hope the Finz find a way, but its my hunch, it won't be in a position to rule directly over Dave, even though I believe he deserves it...
I wouldn't be worried about the message promoting Rick over Dave would send. What I would be worried about is whether or not Rick will defer to Dave on any personnel decisions.
What we don't know is if there is any truth to the rumors that Rick wanted Boldin and Dave overruled him. You will never get either one to admit it, and all you are relying on is newspaper reporters and sports radio talkshow hosts.
I also think it is important for the new GM to make a change at QB, and I'm not sure Rick will do anything other than restructure Jay's contract and draft a young guy. If Jay starts next season, then this team is already behind the 8 ball.
What's your take on this-
"The Dolphins are seeking to hire a general manager with control over personnel decisions after taking those powers away from coach Dave Wannstedt, who was granted a two-year extension Monday despite his team failing to reach the postseason each of the past two years."
That's from today's article at the Sun. There's no mention of hiring/firing coaches power and that concerns me. Why not give that power to the GM? Sounds like Dave will still have a lot of pull and this may end up still looking very cosmetic.
The fact that Wanny will be consulting on who is brought in and that he demanded (and got) a TWO year extension in order to give up this slice of power just shows how cosmetic this all is. I believe that Ron Wolf declined the job because he said he wanted authority to hire/fire coaches and Wanny had already stated the HE would be in charge of his assistants. And I don't think he would give his blessing to a guy who would fire him in a heartbeat.
Even if you disagree with Wannstedt's decisions, you can't have a coaching staff that can't work together. Being able to work together is just as important as having good coaches. You can have the best coach at each individual position, but if they can't work together, then you have a bad mix.
Take Mike Westhoff as an example. For whatever reason, he and Dave could not work together. It got to the point where Westhoff became a divisive influence in the locker room. Dave had to make the decision to drop him despite Mike being a great special teams coach.
Plus, I think most head coaches have the authority to hire and fire their assistants.
Exactly. The "hiring/firing assistants" thing is completely unheard of. How can you, as a coach, not be giving control of such a thing??
What would you do, as a coach, if you interviewed for a job, and they told you that they were going to offer you the job, but you had to keep the coaching staff intact?
Now that I think about it, the chances that Rick becomes the GM may be pretty good. With a few GM openings, I'm not sure that many outside candidates will agree to come in and not bring their own coach with them.
Wolf declines to be considered for Dolphins job
Didn't see anything posted on this.....sorry if it's old news.
Wolf declines to be considered for Dolphins job
MIAMI - Ron Wolf declined Tuesday to be considered for a job with the Miami Dolphins, who are creating a new general manager position.
The Dolphins will interview Tampa Bay interim general manager Tim Ruskell and Buffalo assistant general manager Tom Modrak, team president Eddie Jones said.
The Dolphins stripped coach Dave Wannstedt of his authority over personnel Monday, then contacted Wolf, the former general manager of the Green Bay Packers. Wolf, who retired following the 2000 season and turned 65 Tuesday, said he was flattered but told the Dolphins he wasn't interested.