[MERGED] Senator wants to meet with Commish about Destroyed Tapes

[TomBradyWoot]

Look I agree with you to an extent, Infact I posted earlier I may take the same line If this had happened to the Phins. I think what pisses us off as Phin fans is we want to hear Pats fans admit that your team cheated.

Don't make excuses, don't say other teams did it, don't act like it not's a big deal. Admit your team was into some shady stuff and we can move on. The more Pat fans try to defend it the longer threads like this one will be around.

you expect patriots fans to let the haters just walk all over them?

 

[The Confessor]

He answered this 50 times. He said he destroyed the tapes because they were consistant with everything the organization told him. They were burned so they wouldn't be leaked out and if a video shows up somewhere he'll know he was lied to. Don't worry, there isn't a conspiracy out there to keep the Dolphins down and the Patriots up.

Yeah, that makes SOOO much sense. Burn them so that they dont leak out? What the heck is that? Goodell and the NFL has LOTS of answering to do...sorry to put an * on everything your beloved stands for...but they did it to themselves:up:



EDIT: IF it is so elementary shut and close, why did he have to answer it 50 times? Just asking...

Also, why are you getting so worked up about it if it is absolutely nothing? ....once again..just aksing?

 

[The Confessor]

He answered this 50 times. He said he destroyed the tapes because they were consistant with everything the organization told him. They were burned so they wouldn't be leaked out and if a video shows up somewhere he'll know he was lied to. Don't worry, there isn't a conspiracy out there to keep the Dolphins down and the Patriots up.

Also, just for the record, this is exactly what Goodell said

"Goodell said the tapes and notes on the investigation were destroyed to ensure that the Patriots "would not secure any possible competitive advantage as a result of the misconduct."

Sorry, but this makes ABSOLUTELY no sense what-so-ever. Dont you think the Patriots have already made copies of whatever they turned over? So, in essence, all they did by destroying the tapes was cover up whatever was on them from everybody else....

 

[unluckyluciano]

Belichick was caught video taping "D" signals from a place he shouldn't have been. That was against the league rule. You are free to call him a cheater or anything else you wish too. For some reason you think that saying other teams did it is an excuse but thats not really the case.

Not an excuse a weak justification yes.

 

[HaRdKoReXXX]

you expect patriots fans to let the haters just walk all over them?

No I don't expect it. But remember that this is (for now) a Miami Dolphins meassge board. Pat fans know what to expect on this site and can deal with the criticism otherwise they wouldn't be here Im sure.

 

[TomBradyWoot]

Yeah, that makes SOOO much sense. Burn them so that they dont leak out? What the heck is that? Goodell and the NFL has LOTS of answering to do...sorry to put an * on everything your beloved stands for...but they did it to themselves:up:

You can put the star there if you want, it's not official.

Also, why are you getting so worked up about it if it is absolutely nothing? ....once again..just aksing?

Who's getting worked up? I only see you replying 5 times to one of my posts. Who's really getting worked up?

 

[MR NFLFAN]

Also, just for the record, this is exactly what Goodell said



Sorry, but this makes ABSOLUTELY no sense what-so-ever. Dont you think the Patriots have already made copies of whatever they turned over? So, in essence, all they did by destroying the tapes was cover up whatever was on them from everybody else....

Maybe Goodell was protecting the entire NFL all 32 teams? I mean we did see a clip of the tape on Fox sports. How'd they get a copy? How secure is the league office anyway? If fox could get a copy then why couldn't someone else?
Then the only way to be certain no more copies would be leaked out to ANYONE would have been to destroy them.

 

[MR NFLFAN]

Not an excuse a weak justification yes.

There is no justification in all this. I don't think the league really wants to open its closets to the public, lord knows what else could hiding in there.
Look what happened to the Catholic church when they opened their closets.

We fans forget that the NFL is first and foremost a business.

 

[TomBradyWoot]

It's too bad because I knew you wouldn't just take him at his word and have to feel there's some conspiracy behind everything. The only "conspiracy" would be that it had in those tapes other teams doing the same things. Jimmy Johnson has said many many times he did it with the Cowboys AND the Dolphins.

Should we say Dallas Cheatboys back to back Super Bowl champs*? Or Miami Dolcheats! No. It happens. Goodell just wanted to put a stop to it, had his first opportunity after Mangini (Or Tannabaum or someone in the organization, whoever it was) blew the whistle because he knew the deal, and let people know this won't be tolerated anymore.

 

[Gator Mike]

After pacman and vick, what do you think the NFL would do if it had a full fledged scandal on it's hands? Some evidence showing that the Patsies possibly cheated in a Super Bowl or something of that nature.

You realize that the last time the Patriots were in the Super Bowl, taping the opposing coaches in the same manner that they taped the Jets wouldn't have been considered illegal, right?

They only changed the rules regarding taping very recently because the NFL felt it was getting out of hand.

 

[satz]

Just one question?

Why burn the tapes? Until somebody accountable answers this, the entire thing is going to go to congress, and the Cheatriots and their croney (Roger Goodell) WILL be exposed

Goodell said a copy of one of six tapes made either in 2006 or during the 2007 preseason had, indeed, made its way to the media before all the tapes were destroyed.

He went public saying he will not show these tapes and one of them end up on TV.As a boss how do you react for your FO mess .

"They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed," he said.

 

[The Confessor]

It's too bad because I knew you wouldn't just take him at his word and have to feel there's some conspiracy behind everything. The only "conspiracy" would be that it had in those tapes other teams doing the same things. Jimmy Johnson has said many many times he did it with the Cowboys AND the Dolphins.

Should we say Dallas Cheatboys back to back Super Bowl champs*? Or Miami Dolcheats! No. It happens. Goodell just wanted to put a stop to it, had his first opportunity after Mangini (Or Tannabaum or someone in the organization, whoever it was) blew the whistle because he knew the deal, and let people know this won't be tolerated anymore.

Ohhhh excellent

This is too easy.

:sidelol:

 

[Jets81]

Spygate plot thickens..

From the Boston Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1070762&srvc=home&position=0

PHOENIX - One night before the Patriots [team stats] face the Giants in Super Bowl XLII, new allegations have emerged about a Patriots employee taping the Rams’ final walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI.
According to a source, a member of the team’s video department filmed the Rams’ final walkthrough before that 2002 game. The next day, the Patriots upset St. Louis, 20-17, on a last-second field goal by Adam Vinatieri for their first championship.
A walkthrough involves practicing plays at reduced speed without contact or pads. It is common for teams to film their own walkthroughs and practices.



When contacted last night, Patriots vice president of media relations Stacey James said: “The coaches have no knowledge of it.â€
Yesterday, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) stated that he plans to summon NFL commissioner Roger Goodell before Congress to explain why he destroyed tapes that showed the Patriots stealing defensive signals over the last two years.


After his state of the NFL press conference yesterday, Goodell was asked if the league’s investigation into the Pats included allegations that they recorded the Rams walkthrough in 2002.
“I’m not aware of that,†Goodell said.
“We have no information on that,†seconded NFL spokesman Greg Aiello.
According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here’s what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots’ Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.


After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team’s video staff stayed behind after attending the team’s walkthrough and filmed St. Louis’ walkthrough.


At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said.


It’s not known what the cameraman did with the tape from there. It’s also not known if he made the recording on his own initiative or if he was instructed to make the recording by someone with the Patriots or anyone else.


The next day, the Patriots opened a 14-3 halftime lead on the Rams, who were 14-point favorites and operators of an offense known as “The Greatest Show on Turf.â€
The Rams didn’t begin moving the ball until the fourth quarter, when their 14-point rally pulled the teams into a 17-17 tie with less than two minutes remaining. Tom Brady [stats] then led the most famous drive in Patriots history for the winning field goal.


The Patriots were fined $750,000 and docked a first-round draft pick for breaking league policy and filming the Jets’ defensive signals from the sideline in September.


Asked yesterday if he believed the Pats used similar films to achieve their three Super Bowl victories, Goodell was adamant.

 

[The Confessor]

Hmmmm......

If it looks, smells and spreads like a turd....chances are pretty good

 

[satz]

Intresting fact

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicia...?CID=N00001604

senator`s top 2 contributers comcast no 2 and now 1 law firm Blank Rome, LLP, which REPRESENTS COMCAST against the NFL OVER THE NFL NETWORK ISSUE.

Seems like this will turn more anti-nfl more than ever.