Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Sep 11, 2012.
May have just a little to do with the fact that the Texans have one of the best defenses in the league.
I don't think the raidahs will be as tough.
I have to disagree with Sherman about it "not" being a problem. Although I am not there watching Tannehill practice, I have seen numerous tipped passes in the preseason games, and I though it was a problem back then. I do agree with the problem falling on Tannehill, he has to find a throwing lane.
Hey Sherman it was a problem when you coached him at Texas Am.You were in denial than as you are now.8 of his 15 int's at Texas Am came on tip passes.To correct the problem you have to admit to yourself there is a problem.Starting to lose faith in this coaching staff
Typical finheaven thread. Everybody knows more than the coaching staff, but they keep their desk jobs in the real world
He is young and this will be a process.
I'm more concern that our defensive line doesn't challenge him like that in practice.
What kind of process?
Are we talking like, processing my credit history before I buy a house?
Or like Global warming, evolution, and lines at the DMV?
I understand he is a rookie and am absolutely against benching the kid, but what kind of progress should we expect to see here? I guarantee if this goes on another 4 games people will call for his head (Who am I kidding, idiots are already calling for him to be benched, next week will be even worst.)
This has been highlighted as a concern from his college days. Why is Sherman denying that this is a problem. From here on, opposing Dlinemen will be trained to put emphasis on putting up their arms trying to tip the ball. Maybe our Dlinemen should place emphasis on this at Dolphin practice.
I have to disagree on this one, while agreeing on many others. The posters gave specific examples from preseason and college under the same coach, and make valid points.
It happens to every QB in the league. I saw Big Ben and Brees get batted balls on multiple occasions this weekend.
He may also have a low release point. If so, it would be wise for the coach to publically minimize the problem while privately working on adjusting Tannehill's release point. If he mentions it publically, it will only cause more problems as opposing defenses concentrate on getting their arms up more than usual in the pass rush.
I'm quoting from the Football Outsiders Almanac 2012:
"Houston led the league with 27 passes tipped at the line or batted down, five more than any other defense."
Work on it, sure. But let it be known these guys are *good* at this...
If I remember correctly J.J. Watt is a monster at blocking field goals as well. The guy just take great angles towards the ball.
Sherman also said that in his Senior year, only 4 tipped passes were counted against him. A lot of factors cause tipped passes, notjust theQB.
Hes saying it's not a problem because he thinks saying so will make it not a problem. Facts are its a recurring problem. It's a problem because of the consequences. It's more tannehills problem than the oline. We have one new guy on the line this year. It never happened last year or the year before. It was a frequent problem for Ryan in college. Sherman said it want a problem in the preseason game when it happened. It wasn't addressed and it came back to haunt us in a game we might have been able to win. It's not that his release is too low. His passes are predictable. He doesnt pump fake and he doesn't lock off his targets. U don't have to do the pump fake every snap. Once or twice should b effective enough to keep the defense honest
Tannehill needs to correct the batted down passes as soon as possible. Tannehill got a good arm and accuracy. Now that he got all the pressure off from starting his first game away against a superbowl type team, i see him getting more confortable in the pocket and playing better.
He needs to use his feet more and more around in the pocket more. He looked immobile last week against the texans.
I think he will improve and this team will go as far as he can take them.
Im not thinking playoffs this year. Im thinking more like player development...Example like pouncey....He looked dominating at times.
We have some draft picks next year and dont be surprised if we trade more players for draft picks.
Gotta build a team around tannehill...get more OL and receivers. We will be drafting really high in every round.
Let the rebuilding continue.
We need to move the POCKET every down right left left right (mix it up) and he will have success (How about a roll right to give the passer an open lane to throw and an option to run or pass)
I think Philbin said it best, when saying it was a combo of faults. One RT, in Tannehill (a rookie) has to improve on looking down receivers. Another RT, as in right tackle Martin (a rookie) has to improve in getting the hands down from the DL.
I'm also wondering how much shorter receivers have to do with the problem. Obviously, you can throw the ball higher to a 6'4" WR with long arms than a guy 5'11". Just a thought.
Anyone notice that D linemen are not just big slugs anymore
While I agree it certainly Tannehill's issue to resolve, depending on the o-line I think a pump fake on a three step drop could be dangerous to your health (Ouch).
Seems to me we should run more draws if the dline starts getting there hands up early
Things to consider:
Michael Francis Sherman (born December 19, 1954) is an American football coach and former player. He is currently the offensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins of the National Football League (NFL), a position he assumed in January 2012. Sherman has previously been the head football coach at Texas A&M University from 2008 to 2011. Prior to coaching the Aggies, he served as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers from the 2000 to 2005. Sherman led the Packers to five consecutive winning seasons from 2000–04 and three divisional titles in 2002, 2003, and 2004.[SUP][/SUP] Before he started coaching in the NFL, he served as an assistant coach at five different colleges, including Texas A&M, where he coached the offensive line for seven seasons.
I could be wrong, but I think this makes him an expert on this issue. Not to mention, he coached said QB in college. Who knows better what Ryan Tannehill's issues really are? Hell, I might go so far as to say this makes him THE expert on the issue where Ryan Tannehill is concerned.
I agree that the Oline needs to help the qb....throw down the defender do something to get the defenders away form the middle of the field so that RT has a clear path and clear throwing lane.
It seemed to me tannehill was in shock in his first regular season game. I think he will calm down this week move in the pocket and play a bit better.
We are at home and we have the crowd on our side this time.
I agree with anyone that says we threw tannehill into the fire too soon....Maybe it would had been better if gerard stayed healthy ......but its just fate......
Just let him play the rest of the season and develop. sooner or later he will figure it out.
I don't think anyone here disputes Sherman's knowledge of the game. Hell, he likely knows more than all the thousands of posters here combined.
However, that does not always make him right. If that were the case, Tuna, Sparano, and Henning had over a FRAKIN CENTURY of experience. Wanna tell me they were always right?
Is it possible that Sherman is wrong? Did he not keep Tannehill at WR for two years? How do you do that when the player is a top pick at QB? Was he wrong there, in spite of all his knowledge?
He never should have started to begin the year. Matt Moore is way underrated, especially by this staff cause he doesn't practice good. But Tannehill will learn but it will take much time.
A previous poster, spiketex, asked, "Why is Sherman denying that this is a problem?" My post above is my considered reply to that question. However, I'm not saying Sherman is always right. I'm just saying I'm gonna go with his opinion on this issue over anyone's. That includes me, you or anyone else on this board. Hell, given his history with Tannehill, I'll take his opinion over anyone, anywhere on this issue. I put faith in subject matter experts.
I'm convinced Sherman is the expert here. That's just me, dude.
Thats because in practice he is playing a college team.
I agree Matt Moore is underrated. In fact, I felt he should have started day 1 last year (I was never a Henne fan, and Moore looked far better to me.)
But, fact is, we spent a 1st round pick on a QB in the draft (I personally wasn't thrilled about the pick, but regardless, he is our QB now.), and I dont believe the slow development mumbo-jumbo. The best way to learn is experience, and starting day 1 is the best way to slow the game down for him so he can be effective asap.
If you are gonna sit your #1 pick to start the year, the incumbent better be pretty damn good. Unfortunately, Matt didnt do enough in the preseason to deter Philbin from starting Tanny. And likely, given the state of the WR corp, Philbin didn't feel that the drop off from Moore to Tanny was so significant that he should delay Tanny's development.
That said, Tanny better stop throwing the ball into defenders soon or the start Matt Moore bandwagon will keep growing.
Side note, someone posted Houston had 27 batted passes last year? I think?
Thats over 16 games, so they averaged under 2 per game. How many did Tanny throw? 4 at least? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) So even though they are good at it, we made them look alot better than they were.
That's fair, and all reasonable opinions are well respected. However "Blind Faith" was one HELL of a band in Classic Rock. I do not feel the same name should apply on NFL coaches. JMO
It's not blind faith. It's considered faith. A relative thing. I have more faith in a proven subject matter expert than myself, for instance.
I think we have to agree to disagree here, and will see how things play out this year. Any discussion/debate, with both sides making good points, is always a good thing, and that is what we've had. Thanks.