Ok...Final Draft Thoughts!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BlueFin, May 1, 2011.

Welcome to FinHeaven Fans Forums! We're glad to have you here. Please feel free to browse the forum. We'd like to invite you to join our community; doing so will enable you to view additional forums and post with our other members.
    
VIP Members don't see these ads. Join VIP Now
  1. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 2004
    Messages:
    16,097
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Just for the record, I don't hate the overall draft per say, If we had a QB I would quite happy with it.

    What bothers me the most is Ireland's statement that this team is not desperate for a QB, some of you obviously disagree, but I will put my reputation on the line that Henne will never be an adequate QB in this league.

    I do think we will regret not getting a QB in this draft and whether some of you want to admit it or not, we had chances to move up for Blaine Gabbert, and to draft Colin Kaepernick or Andy Dalton, and yes Ryan Mallett. It was this regimes job to identify who among them could lead this team to a title and go get them. Just as it was thier job to realize Matt Ryan was a franchise QB, and that Pat White and Chad Henne were not. This is how their jobs get evaluated, by the decisions they make. Its not unfair to bring this up.

    Some think its all negativity, but I'm just tired of the QB position being neglected since 1983 in regards to the first round.
     
  2. GM_Davenport

    GM_Davenport Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2011
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I would argue that Henne is already an adequate QB in this league-- he just hasn't shown noticeable improvement.

    The Dolphins' biggest problem last year on offense was not Henne, although he certainly did not help the situation. The biggest issue was the inability to run between the tackles due to a lack of push from the interior linemen. A run based offense that averages 3.7 YPC is not acceptable to say the least. Teams were not stacking the box nearly as much as you would think either.

    With that in mind, Ireland/Sparano used the early part of the draft to address the glaring issues in the running game in an effort to open up the passing game. This is their philosophy, whether you or I agree with their philosophy is irrelevant because that will always remain as long as they are in charge of the team.

    As far as the quarterbacks in this draft; there were some extreme reaches to say the least. I don't just mean Christian Ponder either, I mean the quarterbacks as a whole this year were taken significantly higher than their ability warranted due to the excessively high demand. The Dolphins got good value with their picks, and weren't pressured into selecting a QB just for the sake of selecting one.

    Henne will compete with a veteran, most likely Matt Hasselbeck or Vince Young-- I don't foresee Mike Brown agreeing to the release of Carson Palmer.
     
  3. phinzfan21

    phinzfan21 A True Fan

    Joined:
    Feb 2008
    Messages:
    1,552
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Weren't we singing Henne's praise in 2009? Everybody was saying finally, a good QB since Marino with all kinds of upside. Especially after his great performance in the Monday night game vs the Jets.
    Just saying, it's not impossible he can put it together with better protection, no Henning calling plays, and a running game.
    Let's just see.
    And I bet something is in the works with a QB via FA or trade.
     
  4. Built2Win

    Built2Win A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2010
    Messages:
    3,026
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    38
    it is funny they didnt bother drafting a qb at all
    like they have a secret plan in place like Pennington's twin brother or
    a hidden gem qb that everybody else is overlooking..
     
  5. KL24

    KL24 Classless Fan

    Joined:
    Dec 2010
    Messages:
    583
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's too bad we can't play the Jets 16 times a year. Henne owns the Jets for some reason. And he's total garbage versus everyone else.

    Ireland saying that this team is not desperate for a QB is laughable. Anyone we bring in via FA or trade is not going to be a long term answer at the position, maybe a stop-gap and that's it. We will be lucky to win 6 games next year.
     
  6. KL24

    KL24 Classless Fan

    Joined:
    Dec 2010
    Messages:
    583
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You have a high opinion of the buffoons in our FO. There is no secret plan. They are living in the past and have not adapted to the modern NFL. Can't wait to hear what you have to say about their secret plan when Henne and the "secret plan" QB they bring in are stinking up the joint.
     
  7. HurriPhin

    HurriPhin A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jun 2005
    Messages:
    2,877
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Final draft thoughts: "Can we get a mulligan?"
     
  8. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 2004
    Messages:
    16,097
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I agree, unless they truly are morons they must have a vet in mind they are going after.
     
  9. flynryan15

    flynryan15 A True Fan Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    13,965
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I wasn't praising Henne I was cautioning everyone to temper their excitement and expectations. Trust me I have a buttload of negative rep and hate messages to prove it.

    As far as the draft I am ok with everything, but Pouncey. For everyone claiming he will be a 10 time probowler, I wonder if they even noticed his struggles with the top defensive tackles in the SEC, but now all a sudden he will be All Pro against Wilfork, Jenkins, etc.
     
  10. hemidemon

    hemidemon Starter

    Joined:
    Mar 2008
    Messages:
    1,809
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    38
    It's true Matt Ryan is a franchise QB, but there were no frachise QBs in this draft. This was not the year to pick a QB.
     
  11. Vaark

    Vaark Nihil taurus crappus Finheaven VIP Donator

    Joined:
    Apr 2007
    Messages:
    23,688
    Likes Received:
    275
    Trophy Points:
    83
    [​IMG]
    Unlike the Pat Whites, Teddy Ginns and Shawn Murphys of the recent past, these are good players who will fill specific needs immediately. I don't think anyone can debate that. However, I fault this Regime for providence placing them in the position to do even better with or without burning 2 draft picks, and not seizing the opportunity.
     
  12. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 2004
    Messages:
    16,097
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Thats your opinion, doesn't mean your right. Time will tell.

    If Mallett takes over for Brady in a few years and beats us like a drum, it will not go unnoticed by everyone. And will certainly be a stain on Ireland's legacy.
     
  13. flynryan15

    flynryan15 A True Fan Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    13,965
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I have no faith this regime would develop Mallet so I am not going to play the what if game on him. Honestly I am ok they didn't take a QB this year none really excited me and like I said a couple times before " do we really need a roster full of developmental or project QBs being developed by a QB coach with no experience?"
     
  14. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 2005
    Messages:
    5,968
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    That's fine...don't get a QB...But don't overpay for a GUARD...
    Don't trade picks for a average RB.
    Don't say we won't take a chance on a QB with 1st rd talent
    in the third because of character concerns after we overpaid
    for a primadonna,wife beating psychopath wideout with known
    character issues.
    This isn't about a QB...It's about a incompetent front office that
    is still Parcells Jr...all the way down.
     
  15. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 2004
    Messages:
    16,097
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Well if you are correct, then this regime shouldn't even be here.

    I really think we have to go with the assumption that this regime knows how to coach in regards to drafting stradegy.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 1, 2011
  16. flynryan15

    flynryan15 A True Fan Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    13,965
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I am going to give you a mulligan! Carl Dorale has never coached QBs at any level, and do I really need to point out Sparanos blunders.

    But NO they shouldn't be here.
     
  17. nyashfan

    nyashfan For Earth Below

    Joined:
    Mar 2006
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Just curious how you would have graded the Patriots draft compared to the Dolphins. Passing on Ingram for Vereen. Questionable pick of CB instead of a pass rusher in round 2. Not sure what they will do will Mallett. Will they even be able to develop him for trade value when Hoyer has done well as their #2 QB? If Ireland had a conviction on Daniel Thomas then I'm glad they got him because I'm sure he would've gone soon to the Packers or Bengals. And if teams like the Seahawks, Redskins and Cardinals didn't have any conviction on the QB's in this class then it is understandable why the Dolphins didn't either. I guess the bottom line is whether you would rather have Pouncey & Thomas vs. Solder & Vereen.
     
  18. Vaark

    Vaark Nihil taurus crappus Finheaven VIP Donator

    Joined:
    Apr 2007
    Messages:
    23,688
    Likes Received:
    275
    Trophy Points:
    83
    :imho:
    Me, I would have preferred Ingram and Mallett (and an RB like the kid from Oregon to be named later) :idk:
     
  19. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 2004
    Messages:
    16,097
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I would rather have had Pouncey and Mallett or Ingram and Mallett. Resign Ronnie if you took Pouncey.
     
  20. flynryan15

    flynryan15 A True Fan Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    13,965
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Just sign Devine as a udfa kid is Sproles 2.0.
     
  21. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 2005
    Messages:
    5,968
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    It isn't just Mallet....
    Since the Pat's have had Drew Besole
    They have gotten Tom Brady
    Matt Cassel
    Now Mallet
    It's starting to be a little more than luck..When you have a starting QB...You can stockpile picks and QB's
    and let them develop and trade them for more picks.
    See what you can do,when you have a starting QB...but our front office..well thats just something else.
     
  22. nyashfan

    nyashfan For Earth Below

    Joined:
    Mar 2006
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Since not a single team had a 1st or 2nd round grade on Mallett, the Dolphins can't be faulted for not taking him in those rounds. I am hoping that they can land DeAngelo Williams in free agency. I think it was time to move on from Ricky & Ronnie.
     
  23. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 2005
    Messages:
    5,968
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    That's fine...
    It still doesn't excuse them for taking a GUARD/hopeful center at 15...and trading away picks for a average back.
     
  24. SF Dolphin Fan

    SF Dolphin Fan Seasoned Veteran

    Joined:
    May 2005
    Messages:
    5,607
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    38
    There were three quarterbacks who I really liked in this draft that I thought Miami had a shot at - Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick and Ricky Stanzi. Perhaps they could have traded down with a team like Pittsburgh, drafted Kaepernick and added a Randy Moffit in the 3rd. I was never a big fan of Ryan Mallett's, even though I liked his arm and deep passing talent. Just think he is too slow in his drops and setup. I do think Chad Henne will improve with more talent around him and Mike Pouncey could be an outstanding pick for this team. It's hard to leave this draft without a quarterback, though. Have to think that Vince Young is a possibility now as well. We shall see how it all works out.
     

Share This Page