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Perennial All-Pro
Cause Dan was the man. and I had a natural hatred of the Jets cause I cant stand losers.
But... Noo Yawk, man. Noo Yawk. :shakeno:
Cause Dan was the man. and I had a natural hatred of the Jets cause I cant stand losers.
an whatz wrong wit noo yawk? :chase::rickybrow
But... Noo Yawk, man. Noo Yawk. :shakeno:
an whatz wrong wit noo yawk? :chase::rickybrow
LMAO shouldnt you be in your peach colored spanish style stucco house? You know, the kind that embodies miami. Friggin ugly bro. Please, every city has there issues. Like the saying goes bro....New yorkers are everywhere. You cant go to any state and not bump into us. We spread like the flu in winter :hi5:
Everything. The overinflated sense of self-importance, the accents, the dirtiness, the fact that your biggest rival is friggin' Boston. BOSTON. No one cares about Boston!
A couple of years back, DirecTV advertised its sports packages in a commercial where some 400lb Noo Yawkah turned down Knicks tickets because he had the HD package. That guy was the embodiment of Noo Yawk. Short, loud, obnoxious, irrational.
And, seriously, can you guys just put on a jacket in the winter instead of coming down here? Traffic's bad enough with the 80 year old Canadians roaming around in their orange PT Cruisers.
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Ewing > Clyde. Clyde got a ring cause he actually had a team around him not a grocery bagger (starks), a washed up Harper, and a guy who could make a layup (Charles Smith anyone...who by the way I cant believe they let him do games on the radio. If someones 4 missed layups prevented a finals appearance from my team hed never be working for me again). When ewing finally had a supporting cast, the brawl happened and that probably prevented another title shot.
Frazier got to play with 2 other HOFERS in Debusheurre and Reed, a senator (Bill Bradley) and the Zenmaster. Big difference in supporting cast.
Titles are not everything. And Ewing destroys Frazier statistically and for the period which the team maintained dominance. The knicks were contender for a decade+ with Ewing leading the way.
Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson > Ewing, Mourning. Mourning was a great player, he just doesn't hold up well when comparing him to others he played with.
Ewing got away with a lot of travels and walks in his career, it baffles me how many times i saw him score from a walk and the calls never seemed to be there. I think he was a great player, but i'm not sure i'd rank him inside the top 10 centers to ever play, and if he is it's probably at around 8? Never winning a title also hurts him.
Cause Dan was the man. and I had a natural hatred of the Jets cause I cant stand losers.
Ewing > Clyde. Clyde got a ring cause he actually had a team around him not a grocery bagger (starks), a washed up Harper, and a guy who could make a layup (Charles Smith anyone...who by the way I cant believe they let him do games on the radio. If someones 4 missed layups prevented a finals appearance from my team hed never be working for me again). When ewing finally had a supporting cast, the brawl happened and that probably prevented another title shot.
Frazier got to play with 2 other HOFERS in Debusheurre and Reed, a senator (Bill Bradley) and the Zenmaster. Big difference in supporting cast.
Titles are not everything. And Ewing destroys Frazier statistically and for the period which the team maintained dominance. The knicks were contender for a decade+ with Ewing leading the way.
Mornin' Junky.. I wondered the instant I saw the statement who would get it..
ever vigilant hahahaha
Well where would you guys rank Ewing all-time among the greatest NBA centers?
I mean for me it's probably something like:
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. David Robinson
7. Moses Malone
8. Patrick Ewing
And i'm leaving off Bill Walton, Robert Parrish, Bill Laimbeer and the great George Mikan.
You cant put Ewing ahead of David Robinson. He's got the two rings, and i know he never won anything without Duncan, but he was a defensive player of the year, won a scoring title, a league MVP, rookie of the year he's won everything. He even scored 71 in a game. I think Robinson may have been the Ewing of the west for many years, never having a Robin while he was Batman. Remember, the Spurs were AWFUL without Robinson. In fact they would have never had Tim Duncan had Robinson not gone down and the Spurs finished horribly.
There is room for flexibility though, i actually think Hakeem was a better player than Shaq. Certainly a better all-around player, he schooled him in the 95 finals that's for sure. It's just hard to argue against Shaq when he has the 4 rings and the MVP and scored 60 in a game.
I think you have Robinson too high. Move up Malone and Ewing and move Robinson down after Ewinf and it looks better. W/o having seen george mikan I think he belongs based on everything that we know about him. My list:
1. Russell- hard to argue w/ all the Championships
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Mikan
5. Hakeem
6. Shaq
7. Malone
8. Ewing
9. Reed
10. Robinson
Those mid 90s Knicks teams were very underrated talent wise. Starks was ALOT better than people remember, Harper was a good PG, Oakley was a beast on the boards. ewing had a good enough cast to win it all and never could, heck he wouldn't even have made the Finals in '94 if not for a blown call against the Jordan-LESS Bulls where Hubert Davis bailed him out.
Frazier was a better player than Ewing, 2 different positions but one was a clutch player and the other was Patrick Ewing. Ewing made all-NBA 1st team ONCE in his career, Frazier made it 4 times. Frazier led the Knicks to 2 titles, Ewing led the Knicks to 1 Finals appearance(he was along for the ride in '99) thanks to Jordan retiring.
How does Ewing destroy Frazier statistically? It's hard to compare G's to C's but...
Ewing averaged 21 PPG, Clyde 19
Ewing shot 50% from the field, Clyde 49%
Ewing was a 74% FT shooter, Clyde 78%
Ewing averaged 9 boards a game, Clyde 6
Ewing averaged 2 assists, Clyde 6
In postseason:
Clyde averaged 21 PPG, Ewing 20(Clyde's reg season average goes up, Ewing's goes down)
Ewing shot 47%, Clyde 51%(Clyde's goes up, Ewing's goes down- noticing a pattern?)
Clyde 75% FT shooter, Ewing 72%(both went down)
Ewing 10 boards, Clyde 7(both went up)
Asisists stayed the same
Please show me where Ewing destroys Frazier statistically?
As opposed to being a jet fan? With, what, 1 division title in the last 40 years? The mets may not be a historic franchise like another NY baseball team but they do have 9 90 win seasons in the last 25 years, 1 WS title in that frame, a handful of division crowns, and a couple of WS appearances so they arent half bad either.That's interesting coming from a Met and dolphin fan?
Oh baloney. They were overrated talent wise. They did it on heart and effort cause all they had was Ewing and a bunch of lunchpail types like Oak and Mason who were limited on offense but great on defense. The lack of offensive help, someone to be Ewings Pippen in essence, was their downfall. They never had a consistant second scoring option during Ewings prime until Houston came in and he didnt mesh right away. Harper's best days were behind him by the time he came here, and John Starks was inconsistant to say the least.Those mid 90s Knicks teams were very underrated talent wise. Starks was ALOT better than people remember, Harper was a good PG, Oakley was a beast on the boards. ewing had a good enough cast to win it all and never could, heck he wouldn't even have made the Finals in '94 if not for a blown call against the Jordan-LESS Bulls where Hubert Davis bailed him out.?
Right, all NBA appearances as a determining factor. Ewing played in a golden age for talented centers not in an era where there was 1 or 2 7 footers in the entire league. Ewing was derailed regularly by the best player of all time and then by a guy who was simply unconscious (Hakeem). Again, you bring up titles but to win titles you need a supporting cast. Ewings was patchwork at best. Management did a horrendous job during his tenure finding a second scoring option despite the fact that Riley continously asked for one.Frazier was a better player than Ewing, 2 different positions but one was a clutch player and the other was Patrick Ewing. Ewing made all-NBA 1st team ONCE in his career, Frazier made it 4 times. Frazier led the Knicks to 2 titles, Ewing led the Knicks to 1 Finals appearance(he was along for the ride in '99) thanks to Jordan retiring.
Ewing also averaged 2.4 blocks per game which over that long a career is an astounding number. He was part of an era that made shot blocking an art form just as Frazier made steals an art form. frazier was one of the first to understand how to play the passing lanes. Ewing did the center equivalent in an era with much more athletic players. Granted you cant penalize a player for the era they played in but at the same time there is a difference.How does Ewing destroy Frazier statistically? It's hard to compare G's to C's but...
Ewing averaged 21 PPG, Clyde 19
Ewing shot 50% from the field, Clyde 49%
Ewing was a 74% FT shooter, Clyde 78%
Ewing averaged 9 boards a game, Clyde 6
Ewing averaged 2 assists, Clyde 6
In postseason:
Clyde averaged 21 PPG, Ewing 20(Clyde's reg season average goes up, Ewing's goes down)
Ewing shot 47%, Clyde 51%(Clyde's goes up, Ewing's goes down- noticing a pattern?)
Clyde 75% FT shooter, Ewing 72%(both went down)
Ewing 10 boards, Clyde 7(both went up)
Asisists stayed the same
Please show me where Ewing destroys Frazier statistically?