Only the Dolphins beat Patriots in December

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

JT did nothing in 2009 and Zach wasn't even a Dolphin. Henne was in his 1st years as starting QB. We won that day. Research before you post garbage.

Garbage? Does MIA have a rookie QB playing? How about the back end of the defense struggling? Is that garbage?

Here's my point Mr Garbage man, this team isn't the team of JT and Zachary. This team has struggled against the likes of Fitzpatrick in BUF and numb nuts down in TENN. That is garbage.

Luckily I rarely bet on MIA, and won't bet on this game this weekend either. But if I was to bet on this game. I would take the over and NE. Unlike you, I take the beer goggles off before calling my bets in.

As for your quip about Zach not being a Phin in 09, Capt Obvious is in the house people.

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yep, 4 in a row, We almost had them in the last one though...

4 in a row huh? Also almost doesn't count in anything but horseshoes. Now that is garbage.

 

[Fins1971]

In 2009 our pass defense was 24th in the league and we had the 25th scoring defense.
In 2012 our pass defense is 26th in the league but we have the 9th best scoring defense.

If this back end is garbage then what was the backend in 2009 that did defeat the Patriots and Brady?

Anything can happen in any game. Go ahead and bet your money on NE. You can root for them on Sunday also.

 

[ChrisTRD]

oh man that 21-0 victory in 2006 was awesome. Brady had a pissed off look on his face all game. I loved it!!!

 

[Fins1971]

oh man that 21-0 victory in 2006 was awesome. Brady had a pissed off look on his face all game. I loved it!!!

Yep, less than 100 yards passing. That has to be one of the best overall games ever played against the brady led patriots.

 

[AFCMiamiEast]

This is a non issue. Brady struggled against the likes of JT and Zach Thomas. This year, with a rookie QB and issues on the back end on defense. And this game might get ugly.

Cameron Wake has been fantastic in JT's absence, and our run stuffers are better than they ever where in franchise history. Our secondary was never impressive during the Brady era, and the combo of Dansby-Burnette is not a bad LB core either, so the "replacements" of JT and ZT have fit in fairly well and should not be the issue this game. It will, and always will be the secondary during Brady's tenure.

 

[AFCMiamiEast]

In 2009 our pass defense was 24th in the league and we had the 25th scoring defense.
In 2012 our pass defense is 26th in the league but we have the 9th best scoring defense.

If this back end is garbage then what was the backend in 2009 that did defeat the Patriots and Brady?

Anything can happen in any game. Go ahead and bet your money on NE. You can root for them on Sunday also.

Our secondary in '09 gave up more TDs. Our redzone defense overall this season (including the secondary) has been pretty solid, If I am no mistaken, we're in the top 8 in redzone defense (possibly top 5) with this unit. The only issue, which is a major flaw, is how many chunk yards the secondary gives up which is why they're rated so low.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

In 2009 our pass defense was 24th in the league and we had the 25th scoring defense.
In 2012 our pass defense is 26th in the league but we have the 9th best scoring defense.

If this back end is garbage then what was the backend in 2009 that did defeat the Patriots and Brady?

Anything can happen in any game. Go ahead and bet your money on NE. You can root for them on Sunday also.

I guess you didn't understand my post.

Can't debate someone who just doesn't get it.

 

[Fins1971]

Our secondary in '09 gave up more TDs. Our redzone defense overall this season (including the secondary) has been pretty solid, If I am no mistaken, we're in the top 8 in redzone defense (possibly top 5) with this unit. The only issue, which is a major flaw, is how many chunk yards the secondary gives up which is why they're rated so low.

Redzone D is actually 3rd in the league this year. Yes, we have been giving up yards easily this year, not so many TD's though.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Cameron Wake has been fantastic in JT's absence, and our run stuffers are better than they ever where in franchise history. Our secondary was never impressive during the Brady era, and the combo of Dansby-Burnette is not a bad LB core either, so the "replacements" of JT and ZT have fit in fairly well and should not be the issue this game. It will, and always will be the secondary during Brady's tenure.

Wake has done a good job. But JT produced. Damn the holds, JT put up the numbers. And JT did it to all comers. Brady included.

But the secondary has been exposed as of late. The back end of this defense with no pressure from the front four has looked terrible lately. Fitzpatrick and Luck among a few others, have shown the world MIA's problems defending the pass.

I still believe this game will get ugly.

 

[Fins1971]

I guess you didn't understand my post.

Can't debate someone who just doesn't get it.

I get it. Our pass defense is bad. But it was worse in 2009 and we still beat the Patriots.
I put time an effort into researching different angles that may apply in the game Sunday.
You put down my research with some quick reaction and negativity.

Have some faith in out team. Brady isn't god!
We hung with them both games last year.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

I get it. Our pass defense is bad. But it was worse in 2009 and we still beat the Patriots.
I put time an effort into researching different angles that may apply in the game Sunday.
You put down my research with some quick reaction and negativity.

Have some faith in out team. Brady isn't god!
We hung with them both games last year.

I'm going off of this year's team. Last year does nothing for Sunday. Unless Matt Moore starts.

Tannehill has his moments. But I don't see him beating a BB defense that is coming around at this point in the season. Last year's defense, was abit better than this version of the Phins. As much as I agreed w/ the trading of V. Davis. There is a hole that hasn't been completely filled.

This team with the new system on offense and defense will struggle on sunday. And I cheer for MIA, its why I rarely bet on a MIA game. But watching the spread move in NE direction, and watching their last few games. They are starting to gel and peak, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

To beat Brady you must be able to get pressure from your front 4, its a must. And so far this season, that hasn't been MIA's strong suit.

 

[Fins1971]

I'm going off of this year's team. Last year does nothing for Sunday. Unless Matt Moore starts.

Tannehill has his moments. But I don't see him beating a BB defense that is coming around at this point in the season. Last year's defense, was abit better than this version of the Phins. As much as I agreed w/ the trading of V. Davis. There is a hole that hasn't been completely filled.

This team with the new system on offense and defense will struggle on sunday. And I cheer for MIA, its why I rarely bet on a MIA game. But watching the spread move in NE direction, and watching their last few games. They are starting to gel and peak, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

To beat Brady you must be able to get pressure from your front 4, its a must. And so far this season, that hasn't been MIA's strong suit.

Ok, those are some constructive points. I know its going to be hard on Sunday. Actually not having Vontae Davis may be a positive for this game.
In the season finale last year Davis gave up the go ahead TD to the old geeser Deon Branch. Branch put a move on davis in the endzone and Davis went the wrong way.
If you watch the play Davis doesn't even try to turn around and catch up to Branch. He just consedes the TD. Don't know if he could have made it back but he didn't even try.

Good ridance to davis.

 

[Fins1971]

Finally another team besides Miami beats the Patriots in December.

Patriots now 37-4 in the last decade in December with 3 losses to Miami and 1 to 49ers.

I wanted us to end their 13 game streak in December but this will work too.

Games involving the Patriots beginning with the 2003 season (games in Dec): 2003 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 7 2003 at NE New England 12, Miami 0 2003 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 14 2003 at NE New England 27, Jacksonville 13 2003 season: Week 16 StN Dec 20 2003 at NYJ New England 21, NY Jets 16 2003 season: Week 17 Sat Dec 27 2003 at NE New England 31, Buffalo 0 2004 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 5 2004 at Cle New England 42, Cleveland 15 2004 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 12 2004 at NE New England 35, Cincinnati 28 2004 season: Week 15 Mon Dec 20 2004 at Mia Miami 29, New England 28 2004 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 26 2004 at NYJ New England 23, NY Jets 7 2005 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 4 2005 at NE New England 16, NY Jets 3 2005 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 11 2005 at Buf New England 35, Buffalo 7 2005 season: Week 15 Sat Dec 17 2005 at NE New England 28, Tampa Bay 0 2005 season: Week 16 Mon Dec 26 2005 at NYJ New England 31, NY Jets 21 2006 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 3 2006 at NE New England 28, Detroit 21 2006 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 10 2006 at Mia Miami 21, New England 0 2006 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 17 2006 at NE New England 40, Houston 7 2006 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 24 2006 at Jac New England 24, Jacksonville 21 2006 season: Week 17 Sun Dec 31 2006 at Ten New England 40, Tennessee 23 2007 season: Week 13 Mon Dec 3 2007 at Bal New England 27, Baltimore 24 2007 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 9 2007 at NE New England 34, Pittsburgh 13 2007 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 16 2007 at NE New England 20, NY Jets 10 2007 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 23 2007 at NE New England 28, Miami 7 2007 season: Week 17 StN Dec 29 2007 at NYG New England 38, NY Giants 35 2008 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 7 2008 at Sea New England 24, Seattle 21 2008 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 14 2008 at Oak New England 49, Oakland 26 2008 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 21 2008 at NE New England 47, Arizona 7 2008 season: Week 17 Sun Dec 28 2008 at Buf New England 13, Buffalo 0 2009 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 6 2009 at Mia Miami 22, New England 21 2009 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 13 2009 at NE New England 20, Carolina 10 2009 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 20 2009 at Buf New England 17, Buffalo 10 2009 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 27 2009 at NE New England 35, Jacksonville 7 2010 season: Week 13 Mon Dec 6 2010 at NE New England 45, NY Jets 3 2010 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 12 2010 at Chi New England 36, Chicago 7 2010 season: Week 15 SnN Dec 19 2010 at NE New England 31, Green Bay 27 2010 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 26 2010 at Buf New England 34, Buffalo 3 2011 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 4 2011 at NE New England 31, Indianapolis 24 2011 season: Week 14 Sun Dec 11 2011 at Wsh New England 34, Washington 27 2011 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 18 2011 at Den New England 41, Denver 23 2011 season: Week 16 Sat Dec 24 2011 at NE New England 27, Miami 24 2012 season: Week 13 Sun Dec 2 2012 at Mia New England 23, Miami 16 2012 season: Week 14 Mon Dec 10 2012 at NE New England 42, Houston 14 2012 season: Week 15 SnN Dec 16 2012 at NE San Francisco 41, New England 34 2012 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 23 2012 NE at Jac 2012 season: Week 17 Sun Dec 30 2012 Mia at NE

Primary team the Patriots: 37-4 Points for the Patriots: 1212 Points against the Patriots: 633