Realistic View, Not a Homer View...

[Strange]

Some of you already implied some of this in your posts, but I figured I was in the mood to write a lot.

Ratio of player Quality:
There are Elite players, very good players, decent players, average players, poor players and crap. All teams have a mix of the above in different ratios with some having better scouting and better conditioning leaning more to the positive side and vice versa. Some teams have a lot of depth with many players on the bench who come in can play average to decent without too much on either side. Some have a group of good to elite players but as soon as a couple go down they fold. And so on and so on. I don't know if any team can afford to have only Good to Elite players even in 22 different position much less 53.

That being said, we all know that players don't play in a vacuum. This is obvious but it makes a huge difference when examining where we have holes. Put two decent players at QB and WR and they will both look decent. Put in a poor or crappy player at either of those positions and at best you don't know what you have from the decent player and at worst the decent player looks crappy too. Put an elite player with a decent player and the decent player may look very good. I remember one season where our excellent secondary had several INTs spread amongst them being lead not by Madison, Surtain, or Marion, but by Brian Walker. Marino was elite, no doubt, but were some of his best passing years the result of his efforts or Dwight Stephenson blocking for him and two quick wide outs catching? Who knows how well guys like Chambers and McMichael could have developed if they had a talented passer throwing to them from the outset. And the ripple effects move in ever widening circles, with pass rush creating INTs and coverage creating sacks, creating opportunities for the offense to get the ball back and get into a rhythm, and if they control the ball keeps the D fresh and makes their stats look better purely by lack of TOP by the opposing offense, and so forth and so on. That's why teams with even average QBs can be champions.

One final point about synergy is that the coaching and the system need to be in place as the glue to put it all together. Most players don't fit into neat boxes. Some are Elite players in a specific system and decent in a different system. Some are crappy in most roles but fill a crucial gap for one season in one specific system.

The conclusion in all this is not trying to figure out where we have question marks and where we can improve, but where improvement would be best served. That's why the trifecta talks about building inside out because they believe that smash mouth football and controlling the line of scrimmage allows for the most positive ripple effects (which is why I think they will push strongly for an NT for next). While we could improve MOST of our positions, we have to ask which positions will be most efficacious to improve. I for one believe that a nice majority of our 53 players are at least decent and can stay with the team, with a few tweaks their decent play will start to look decent and even good in support of the very good and truly elite play I hope we can get in the future.

We have questions at many positions but the FO needs to be asking the right ones without panicing.

 

[cltchperf]

Or why don't you mention Jay Fiedler's outstanding record as starter? Or even Ray Lucas, who had people gushing over his 6-3 start with the Jets in his first action. Or even AJ Feeley, who started out by leading the Eagles to a 4-1 record under him during the crucial playoff stretch.

Wins can be a product of an entire team. That doesn't mean that there aren't outstanding QB's out there who don't practically single-handedly lead their team's to victory. I think Pennington did this for us in many, though certainly not all of our wins last year. But a number of Henne's wins have been earned through outstanding performances elsewhere, like Ginn's two TD performance against the Jets. Henne's sagging TD/INT ratio, merely average completion percentage, and lack of significant yardage (on average though not today) indicate more that Henne has been more of a placeholder QB than one who is willing his team to victory week in and week out.

Yeah three 4th quarter winning drives and he's just a place holder...ok. The thing about Henne is that he will make mistakes like most young qbs...yeah he has interceptions, oh my god, everybody seems to expect him to have 16 TDS to 8 interceptions or something. His TD-Int is not awful for a rookie and pretty common for inexperienced qbs and its ridiculous to even compare him to fiedler or whoever. He has twice the talent fiedler has and what I like most about Henne is his poise, leadership and how he doesn't usually strung out and is resillient. You can't teach his intangibles, which other talented qbs don't have and never became anything. He's shown he can throw the ball well and While he sometimes stares WRS, many times I see him go through his progressions to the 2nd or 3rd option and look offf.

Oh yeah how about the come back win against New England, was the not Henne leading miami back from a 14-0 deficit and taking miami down for the winning FG? Or what about that first jets victory which miami won 31-27? Wow, lets not get carried away with out expectations. I expect and want Henne to do great, but realistically, this is many times what you get with a young inexperienced qb, they go through their lumps, but i look to see how they progress and respond to the adversity and henne has come back well from the bad bills game, which was not as awful as some thought to the new england game and jaguars games.

 

[cltchperf]

To be honest, I've seen a lot more of this team and its QB than the commentators out there and its obvious what impresses them. Henne throws a fricking laser and sometimes he throws absolutely beautiful passes that anybody would be impressed by. When its all said and done, Henne's career won't be defined by how beautiful his passes look, it will be defined by how well he produces and how much he minimizes his weaknesses from hurting him. For production, despite the "wow!" factor he hasn't come close to producing the yardage or TD's that Pennington did last year. And the weaknesses are only something that I noticed after watching Henne play multiple games but there are becoming more apparent and are starting to manifiest themselves with worse and worse results.

I've seen commentators say gushing things about a number of QB's who throw beautiful passes, many of whom turned out to be disappointments. As crazy as it seems, sometimes the Dolphin fans who watch every single snap of their team from preseason to week 17 know a little more about its players and teams than the guys who watch a couple of the team's plays on a monitor and make judgements based on highlights they see.

Your comparing Henne to pennington? no wonder you think the way you do about Henne, jeesh. A inexperienced qb compared to a seasoned veteran, a good one at that. Well no **** Pennington is going to have more yardage and TDS and less ints. And it's not the pretty passes or arm, its the poise and leadership, the intangibles that can't be taught that has impressed commentators. the praise for example for the Jets win 31-27, was how Henne was cool under such pressure for such a young inexperienced guy making nice clutch throws for miam to lead them to that touchdown. He just doesn't seem to get bothered when he makes a mistake and has boucned back and led miami. yeah he was not clutch against the titans, and it was disappointing, but he brought miami back from the deficit they were in, but this happens, its a matter of him getting the kinks out and improving, and im pretty sure he will, especially since it seems as read from reports his work ethic is like pennington and probably took that in from watching how pennington prepares last season.

 

[MiZFiT]

There's so many question marks on this team. With alot of young talent, still too many question marks. There's the young cb's that have killed us this year, Gibril Wilson, LB's, kr/punt returner, offensiver/defensive co-ordinator, WR's, Merling and Langford, Henne and then Saprano. Way too many problems too fix in one year and mind you some just can't get it fixed. Sometimes, more so as a player, you are what you are...
- Out of Vontae and S. Smith, Vontae has played considerable better. Both keep getting burnt on long passes. S. Smith doesn't tackle well, seems very soft, his ball skills are in serious question. One thing that get's me irrate about him too is that when the ball is in the air he never turns his head to see where the ball is. What's saving me from saying they have been disasterous this season is for Davis' 5 picks and the fact that he's a go getter and will clean your clock if had the chance. It looks has more potential then Smith. Also in their defence, too many mistakes have come from the safeties and or because Pasqualino still fails to have safety help and not leave these guys alone on one on one coverage. The secondary is our weakest position. Gibril Wilson just seems like he plays more like a LB and is terrible in coverage. One big thing that I think is essential to being a great football player is awareness. Gibril is horrible at it...
- Our LB's not intimidating at all. Taylor is either not use right or age has caught up to him but you see him out there busting his tail and his awareness is pretty high. Porter should of bee thanked for all his sacks last year and sent packing. Wake doesn't start ahead of him cause of his fundamentals, questions about his play against the run and in pass coverage. Well Porter is terrible at both of those. It's what have you done for me lately. Wake should start over him. Crowder is too much hokis pokis. Too many dissapearing acts. Your MLB should average 10 tackles a game, he should be flying everywhere. Lacks awareness. Along with many, this position will be a huge need in the off-season. Talking about disappearing acts, Merling and Langford have gone awol!! What do they call it, the sophomore jinx. Sorry to tell you guys this but these guys are just plug ins. They might turn out to be decent players but I don't see any of them being starters for the next 4-5-6 years.
-Ginn as a Kick returner, not good. Despite his return's for touchdowns, he's too soft. Doesn't want to get hit and doesn't run at full speed. Bess is slow as molasses (probably didn't spell that right) He can't return a punt. This is a position I think the coaches have failed miserably to fix.
- Our co-ordinators should be fired. Defensively it's either two things. Pasqualuoni has not figured out the strength of his personnel and coach to there strength or the personnel is overrated. Something has got to give. Offensively too many uncharacteristic play calls in games that now seem normal to us. The reason Henning won't be dumped is I'm sure the brass would want Henne to continue his development without having to learn a new offense.
- Sparano is too much of a cheer leader and sometimes get's too excited to where, he loses track as a coach during games. Bogus timeouts being called or not being called, asking for a timeout when his team retrieved possession on a turnover where the clock automatically stops. Allowing some play calls to be called that are very much in question and the overall play of his defence. The slow start in the season. blowing leads (IND,NO) in games and so on. Someone has to be held accountable.
- Finally Henne. We need to chill, he is not our future QB for the next 10 years, yet! Too many things that still need to be figured out by him. Yes he has a lazer. But he needs alot of work on touch passes, sometimes he needs to take some of that zip off. His awareness to me is massively in question and I think this is his major opsticle. He stares down his recievers, and it's obvious enough that he decides where he's throwing the ball before the snap. The problem with that is that he can't read defense's. His pocket pressence is good but his awareness in reading defence and his IQ to be able to go through his progressions is his major opsticles. His INT's are way too much, I get that same feeling I used to get while watching Jay Fiedler play, just saying to myself, ok when is his INT coming.
- There's also the WR's but I have alot to say about that but I think it has been discussed enough to these boards. I'll say one thing though, they are what they are and their doing the best of what abilities they have. Not enough though....The positives to me are the offensive line, (Jake Long). Ronnie Brown, Polite, Ricky but the Ricky who split time not the Ricky getting the load. Too many fumbles and he will cost you at some point and Randy Starks.
- Too many holes and if we get into the playoffs with all these holes consider it a bonus.

Your crazy.

but nice read except that part.

 

[Tunaphish429]

Everyone is entilted to their own opinon but damn..its hard to see how ppl dont like Henne?

How you dont see how he is going to make mistakes here and there..

Almost everyone agress he is going to be good...he is also in a very good situation..

he has a good line in front of him and is on a run first type team...

We are not losing game beacause of Chad Henne...

 

[phintim]

A TE who is dominating getting open and a WR who is the same way and we are set on offense. Linebackers will be addressed in this draft and possibly a NT. Given our schedule our rebuilding and call me a home if you like but we are doing just fine. Last year was a bit of a mircale and I saw pleny of fans run Shula out of town only to end up with a much worse situation than we had. So for those homers or us who still remember that fisaco fans who flame the fires are only burning themselves with all their percieved insight. Other than the Atlanta game and the end of the Bulffalo game our team has played tough and has been fun to watch which is what it is about beleive it or not.