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BigNastyFish said:
...sure looks like Humphrey cost himself a LOT of $$$ staying... Seemed a certain R1 in '20 draft and now seemingly could slide to R3!
heck some even predicting R5! He'll never recoup that $ unless he lands a huge 2nd contract... So the message is:

KIDS! Don't stay in school!

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Isn't he still projected as a top 50 player, or in that range?

The best thing is that Flores got a close look.
 
You never know about things like that. Had Humphrey entered the Draft last year the process might have revealed the same shortcomings we are seeing now.

He might not have been a 1st rounder last year either.
 
The reality for Humphrey was that the feedback he received from submitting his paperwork to the NFL Draft Advisory Committee last year was that he was probably going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick at best even if he entered last year as a RS Sophomore. That's why he went back for his Junior year.

The committee used to give out specific round grades, but now they only tell you whether you're a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick. If you're neither, you get a recommendation to stay in school.

I doubt he's really lost any money or that he was going to be a 1st round pick last year. He's still probably the best center in the draft and a likely day 2 pick. He's still pretty good. The only guy who's better suffered a knee injury in the SEC Championship Game.
 
Pachyderm_Wave said:
The reality for Humphrey was that the feedback he received from submitting his paperwork to the NFL Draft Advisory Committee last year was that he was probably going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick at best even if he entered last year as a RS Sophomore. That's why he went back for his Junior year.

The committee used to give out specific round grades, but now they only tell you whether you're a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick. If you're neither, you get a recommendation to stay in school.

I doubt he's really lost any money or that he was going to be a 1st round pick last year. He's still probably the best center in the draft and a likely day 2 pick. He's still pretty good. The only guy who's better suffered a knee injury in the SEC Championship Game.
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I think he'd be an upgrade over Karras, if Miami doesn't resign him.
 
I think Meinerz is going to be really good at C or G, not sure which one he ends up at.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
I think it's a good approach for Day 3, maybe even late-Day 2 guys. Outside of D. Smith, though, I didn't see many players I'd consider Top 40. You have other guys you like that early?
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Just from Miami's squad, I'd say Najee Harris, Dillon Radunz, Creed Humphrey, D'Wayne Eskridge, and Levi Onwuzurike are all somewhere between "locked" and "defensible" Top 40 selections.

And by defensible I mean if you're going to say you have 40 players that should, absolutely certainly regardless of need, go above those dudes...I'm probably gonna pick out at least a dozen of them and say, "Not really."

And there are several others I could see going there just because they're the type of player that rises. Guys like Keith Taylor, Osa Odighizuwa, Aaron Banks, and Baron Browning.

What does the NFL really think of Elerson Smith and Spencer Brown? Because they notch "rare" tangibles. Explicitly.

What do they think of the Notre Dame paid, Daelin Hayes and Ade Ogundeji? I love Daelin on tape and he practiced REALLY well this week. And Ade has all that potential with his length, and showed all week that OLs were gonna have a tough time sticking to him even if they did win the initial contact.

Just how high did Quinn Meinerz stock really fly this week? He proved quite a lot.

I've seen a former GM say explicitly that James Hudson is a Top 40 pick. I may not agree, but the NFL love his tangibles.

Several other players, I just say you can play for me any Sunday. Guys like Michael Carter, Demetric Felton, Hamilcar Rashed, Dez Fitzpatrick, Sage Surratt, Tylan Wallace, Nico Collins, Tre Brown, Rhamondre Stevenson, Christian Uphoff, Damar Hamlin, Robert Hainsey, and Kenny Yeboah.

I mean there's like 26 or 27 players here. I could mock up a solid draft out of them. Maybe not at #3 overall. But anywhere after that is fair game.

#18 - Easily have to take a look at Levi Onwuzurike, Najee Harris, and Dillon Radunz at this pick.
#36 - Toss Creed Humphrey, D'Wayne Eskridge, Aaron Banks, or Osa Odighizuwa onto the list here and I'm not complaining.
#50 - Now I'm looking at Baron Browning, Keith Taylor, Daelin Hayes, Quinn Meinerz, possibly even Elerson Smith and Spencer Brown.
#82 - Bunch of others fair game like Michael Carter, Demetric Felton, Dez Fitzpatrick, Tylan Wallace, Nico Collins, Sage Surratt, Kenny Yeboah, Robert Hainsey, Ade Ogundeji, Hamilcar Rashed, Damar Hamlin, Tre Brown.
#114 - I could go with a Rhamondre Stevenson here. I really have to take a closer look at he and Christian Uphoff. The latter in particular could be a lot better than this.
 
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ckparrothead said:
Just from Miami's squad, I'd say Najee Harris, Dillon Radunz, Creed Humphrey, D'Wayne Eskridge, and Levi Onwuzurike are all somewhere between "locked" and "defensible" Top 40 selections.

And by defensible I mean if you're going to say you have 40 players that should, absolutely certainly regardless of need, go above those dudes...I'm probably gonna pick out at least a dozen of them and say, "Not really."

And there are several others I could see going there just because they're the type of player that rises. Guys like Keith Taylor, Osa Odighizuwa, Aaron Banks, and Baron Browning.

What does the NFL really think of Elerson Smith and Spencer Brown? Because they notch "rare" tangibles. Explicitly.

What do they think of the Notre Dame paid, Daelin Hayes and Ade Ogundeji? I love Daelin on tape and he practiced REALLY well this week. And Ade has all that potential with his length, and showed all week that OLs were gonna have a tough time sticking to him even if they did win the initial contact.

Just how high did Quinn Meinerz stock really fly this week? He proved quite a lot.

I've seen a former GM say explicitly that James Hudson is a Top 40 pick. I may not agree, but the NFL love his tangibles.

Several other players, I just say you can play for me any Sunday. Guys like Michael Carter, Demetric Felton, Hamilcar Rashed, Dez Fitzpatrick, Sage Surratt, Tylan Wallace, Nico Collins, Tre Brown, Rhamondre Stevenson, Christian Uphoff, Damar Hamlin, Robert Hainsey, and Kenny Yeboah.

I mean there's like 26 or 27 players here. I could mock up a solid draft out of them. Maybe not at #3 overall. But anywhere after that is fair game.

#18 - Easily have to take a look at Levi Onwuzurike, Najee Harris, and Dillon Radunz at this pick.
#36 - Toss Creed Humphrey, D'Wayne Eskridge, Aaron Banks, or Osa Odighizuwa onto the list here and I'm not complaining.
#50 - Now I'm looking at Baron Browning, Keith Taylor, Daelin Hayes, Quinn Meinerz, possibly even Elerson Smith and Spencer Brown.
#82 - Bunch of others fair game like Michael Carter, Demetric Felton, Dez Fitzpatrick, Tylan Wallace, Nico Collins, Sage Surratt, Kenny Yeboah, Robert Hainsey, Ade Ogundeji, Hamilcar Rashed, Damar Hamlin, Tre Brown.
#114 - I could go with a Rhamondre Stevenson here. I really have to take a closer look at he and Christian Uphoff. The latter in particular could be a lot better than this.
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Levi Onwuzurike at 18 is super rich for me. I need to watch more Radunz. The athlete is absolutely intriguing, but small-school olinemen almost always take an extra year or two to develop - even when they end up being really good in the pros. Different circumstances, but for similar reasons, I had Austin Jackson as more of a Top 40 guy than a Top 20. I'd want a Top 20 olinemen to play at an averageish level Day 1. I thought I was really high on Harris until people started wanting him at 18. He's great, but he's also not a guy that's going to create a ton of chunk plays, and I wouldn't consider many RB's that early. It's around where I had guys like McCaffrey and Barkley, and Harris is a couple tiers below them imo. If we combined the last two classes, I'd have Taylor and Etienne comfortably ahead of him, and I'd also rate Dobbins and Akers higher. Swift and Dillon are close, but I'd take Harris over Edwards-Helaire. I had all those guys in the 41-75 range, with the possible exception of Etienne, who I could bump into my Top 40.

With the exceptions of some players I need to give a better look (like Radunz), you're about a draft slot higher than I am on the guys you've listed at 18, 36, and 50. Once you get to 82, I'm nodding along with most everyone. I'd also throw in Khalil Herbert, who I think is underrated. Don't know how he looked at the Senior Bowl, but he breaks tackles, and he's fast enough.

Of course, I could just be too low on them, but, particularly at WR, TE, OL, and Safety, I think 2021 boasts a really strong group of underclassmen - QB, too, but we won't go there.
 
What a great thread, thanks everyone for your contributions.
KJ Britt really jumped out at me. Where do you think the best spot is for him, and does he fit what we do very well?
 
I’d take a flyer on Britt with our 6th. I like the guy from Miss St a little better for our system.
 
It seems to me that the 'draft positional value' concept is a bit over blown. As a fan of the draft, its easy for me to fall into the slotting concepts. For example, 'this player or position is a good value at 36, but a reach at 18'. But reality is that the draft is just a tool you're using to build a team. A team is made up of parts that complement and work together to be more than the sum of their parts. That's the ultimate goal. I recall when Miami traded down and passed on the chance to draft Earl Thomas and instead took Odrick and Misi. In terms of positional value, that was probably the right move. Safety has low positional value compared to DL and a LB just made it 2 for 1. But IMO S is a much higher impact position than the NFL draft values it at. In terms of team building it was obviously a poor decision. Reality is that a great player is almost always a great pick regardless of positional value.

I look back at the some of the great teams of the past and present and I don't generally recall if some of these great picks were made a round early or a round late.
 
rafael said:
It seems to me that the 'draft positional value' concept is a bit over blown. As a fan of the draft, its easy for me to fall into the slotting concepts. For example, 'this player or position is a good value at 36, but a reach at 18'. But reality is that the draft is just a tool you're using to build a team. A team is made up of parts that complement and work together to be more than the sum of their parts. That's the ultimate goal. I recall when Miami traded down and passed on the chance to draft Earl Thomas and instead took Odrick and Misi. In terms of positional value, that was probably the right move. Safety has low positional value compared to DL and a LB just made it 2 for 1. But IMO S is a much higher impact position than the NFL draft values it at. In terms of team building it was obviously a poor decision. Reality is that a great player is almost always a great pick regardless of positional value.

I look back at the some of the great teams of the past and present and I don't generally recall if some of these great picks were made a round early or a round late.
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Elite TE's and S's are undervalued, but there are like 3-4 in the entire league at any given time, so teams learn to live without them. It's a different argument than RB imo.
 
The stars of Senior Bowl Week were Mac Jones, Eskridge and Meinerz. Other guys I liked were Aaron Banks, Creed Humphrey, Baron Browning, Tylan Wallace, safety from UCF Ritchie, Ellerson Smith, Cam Sample.
 
rafael said:
It seems to me that the 'draft positional value' concept is a bit over blown. As a fan of the draft, its easy for me to fall into the slotting concepts. For example, 'this player or position is a good value at 36, but a reach at 18'. But reality is that the draft is just a tool you're using to build a team. A team is made up of parts that complement and work together to be more than the sum of their parts. That's the ultimate goal. I recall when Miami traded down and passed on the chance to draft Earl Thomas and instead took Odrick and Misi. In terms of positional value, that was probably the right move. Safety has low positional value compared to DL and a LB just made it 2 for 1. But IMO S is a much higher impact position than the NFL draft values it at. In terms of team building it was obviously a poor decision. Reality is that a great player is almost always a great pick regardless of positional value.

I look back at the some of the great teams of the past and present and I don't generally recall if some of these great picks were made a round early or a round late.
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To some degree, it's also supply and demand. As an example, and being Captain Obvious, there are never enough quality quarterbacks or pass rushers. Which is why you see teams gambling so much on those positions.

As to running backs, I get why teams rarely take one in the first round. The average NFL career is about four years for that position. Those Frank Gore types are rare.
 
Kebo said:
The stars of Senior Bowl Week were Mac Jones, Eskridge and Meinerz. Other guys I liked were Aaron Banks, Creed Humphrey, Baron Browning, Tylan Wallace, safety from UCF Ritchie, Ellerson Smith, Cam Sample.
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Cam Sample is getting a lot of attention. I know hardly anything about him, but am hearing he was the most impressive pass rusher in drills.
 
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