Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BAMAPHIN 22, Mar 29, 2010.
No not yet, still to raw. Nice Number 2 with Bess in the Slot.
Seems like the kid has the "want to". If he improves this offseason i don't see why not. I am in no way a WR coach etc. etc., but if he does improve why WOULDN'T he demand double teams?
It could be just hope, of course i AM a dolphins fan, but i would love to see him take the reigns.
gaining a few lbs wouldn't hurt either.
If he could keep from being caught from behind so often. Just not fast enough.
As much as i love Hartline, and his Hustle, he lacks the phisycal tools to be a real no. 1.
not fast enough, not big enough. I do believe he can develop into a great No. 2 WR.
I like what I saw from Hartline last year. Let's see what improvement he makes over the summer, and let him grow into the biggest role he can handle. I don't think he has the gear to be a #1, but McDuffie didn't either and he was money. That wouldn't be a bad outcome for a career--sure handed and always in the right place.
I think the word should be... "Could" Brian Hartline be a number one.
Extrapolate those numbers up to a number one type rep count and you look at 70+ catches and 1240 yards approx..
I think it was in the WR piece that Boomer et al did where they talked about "what is a number one WR"... makes you look at it differently..
I think the Green Bay WR situation that they mention is ultimately what this team is looking for and I do think Hartline could be in the top 2.. Blair White could be a very good counter part
Hartline is neither Jennings or Driver...not even close
He's 6-2 and runs in the low 4.5s in the forty. He's got the same "physical tools" as Michael Crabtree. He doesn't have epoch defining Randy Moss talent, but he's not a Wes Welker clone.
a little bit more muscle wouldn't hurt though. Again, I'm no Hartline hater, but i don't see him becoming a True No 1 like the mentioned Moss, TO (prime) André Johnson, or Calvin Johnson, just to name a few. Of course he could turn into a steve smith clone
Believe me I would be the happiest if Brian proves me wrong.
A true #1 HAS to get open when you need him to. I love the kid but he's not there yet.
If he's too raw then whats the sense in drafting a rookie #1 receiver?
How about a steve largent clone, not physical, but productive, and Fred Bilenticoft was big either. Sure he can be a Number 1 receiver
You guys remember this catch? Prime example that he has the 'it' factor we need in a playmaking receiver. I think he will be a very good #2.
go to 3 minutes in if you don't want to watch the whole video.
not fast enough... not big enough... sounds like the dude in your avatar
So very very true.
He can be a borderline #1/#2, but not a TRUE #1 like A.Johnson, Fitz, C. Johnson, B. Marshall, etc...BUT I do like the guy a lot and that Henne endorsed him should help his confidence.
Like I posted in another thread:
At this point right now he can not play #1 in this league because he would probably get shut down if you line him up against the top DBs in the NFL. Who knows in the future if he develops into a superstar but right now he's shredding up the #2 spot.
he's not there yet and i don't think he has the skill set to ever be. i don't see any problem with a 4th rounder becoming a solid #2 though.
I think he can he showed toughness, great hands, also has the speed I saw he ran a 4.53 at the combine, good size 6,2 I think he might take the next step all he needs to experience. I hope I am right.
Whatever -- IMO Hartline is far and away the BEST WR we have on the roster (Bess as slot).
If he's our #1, we're in trouble. Not seeing the WOW actor with this guy, and he's not running away from anyone. Could be a solid #2 or Slot though.
Yup, I think he can be a number one. His rookie season was better than Brandon Marshal's, Chad Ochocinco's, and Reggie Wayne's rookie seasons, and they are all considered number ones now. He seems to have the intelligence, hands, and work ethic to do it.
yeah, you're right
let's just hope he proves me wrong like Zach did with his doubters
He's not a number 1 today. I don't see how he's too small or slow, though, and he's definitely quick enough. He's 6'2 and runs in the 4.5's. He'll have to add about 20 lbs to his frame - think he could (not in one off season).
If you consider A. Johnson, R. Moss, and Fitzgerald to be the only true #1's in the NFL, then, no, he'll never be a #1. But, he's smart, has a good ypc, does the little things. He can definitely be a 1,000+ yps WR.
Watch the video I posted then! You know damn well Ginn wouldn't have thought to fight for it like this. The guy is tough, has shown separation, and catches the balls thrown his way.
go to the 3 min mark.
I think he is a excellent #2 and the best deep threat on the Fins right now. He is very scrappy, good size and decent speed. He blocks well and when he is in position for the catch, he makes extra yardage to move the chains or a big play. He was a good find. He is not Andre Johnson or Randy Moss superstar, but he is a excellent receiver.
If we don't bring someone else to upgrade our receiving corpse... i think he would be the wise choice there...
The kid developed some very good skills last year. He consistently beats the press from number 2 corners. He consistently gets open deep. If Henne had a more accurate deep ball, there would have been another 200 yards in his receiving total. He plays faster than his 4.5 forty time. He plays bigger than his size.
He needs to improve his route running to beat number 2 corners at a 60-70% rate, but he is certainly capable if he improves his routes. This would force most teams into a poor position. If Hartline achieves this win percentage and the corresponding route running improvements, then we will be fine. A receiving corps with an improved Hartline, Bess, and Camarillo will shread most defensive backfields. Yes, I know this will not shread the Jets secondary. It only happens if Hartline reaches this potential. Otherwise, we need an experienced number 1.
Hartline isn't a #1 WR but a very good #2
He will be a great number2 for us for a while. We need a number one badley though.