BlueFin said:Let me ask you a serious question if I may?, I haven't followed the pro days very closely but you keep saying Holmes is faster than Jackson, yet I remember hearing that Jackson was the fastest receiver at the Combine, did Holmes not run at the combine? Are you referring to Holmes pro day workout? If so, could the differences in running surfaces make a difference when comparing their speed?
NFL.com said:There were five head coaches present -- Pittsburgh's Bill Cowher, Chicago's Lovie Smith, Detroit's Rod Marinelli, Cleveland's Romeo Crennel and the Giants' Tom Coughlin -- and about 100 team scouts and representatives. The players ran outdoors on a strip of extremely fast AstroTurf that has been down there for some years.
Santonio Holmes, WR
Holmes weighed 179 pounds -- nine less than he did at the Combine -- and he was timed at 4.34 and 4.36 in the 40. He also ran 4.26 in the short shuttle and 6.83 in the cone drill and had a 38-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-6 broad jump.
Motion said:Holmes did not run at the combine. His time at his pro day was faster than Jackson's but was also supposedly on a very fast track.
super_slash said:Pat Kirwan on NFL Radio
said a veteran WR coach told him he doesn't want a 4.4 guy, he wants a 4.5 guy who gets in and out of his breaks quickly
BlueFin said:So, do we really know for sure Holmes is faster?
I mean, as fast as both of these guys are it really probably doesn't make much difference, but since it was brought up I was curious.
But thats just Straight line Speed Holmes will play faster because he is Quicker and loses less speed on breaks then Jackson. But jackson will have the advantage in the Red zone.Motion said:Its so close that it really doesn't matter IMO. Holmes was apparently sick at his pro day and has since gained about 10 pounds.
dan the fin said:But thats just Straight line Speed Holmes will play faster because he is Quicker and loses less speed on breaks then Jackson. But jackson will have the advantage in the Red zone.
But for Mia I like holmes cause we have Chambers who is already good on Red zone fades and junp balls. I want that shifty slot Wr that turns a 5 yard slaint into a 80 yard TD. While chambers has great speed he don't has those shifty moves to do that very often. Neither does Jackson.
Disgustipate said:I dont want to draft a WR myself, but I dont understand what this shows. Alot of first round players fail to live up to expectations at every position. I've yet to see anything that suggests 1st round WRs bust at a higher rate then any other position.
BlueFin said:Well I accept your apology and I apologize as well if you took that comment as being directed towards you, it was intended as a general comment.
Let me ask you a serious question if I may?, I haven't followed the pro days very closely but you keep saying Holmes is faster than Jackson, yet I remember hearing that Jackson was the fastest receiver at the Combine, did Holmes not run at the combine? Are you referring to Holmes pro day workout? If so, could the differences in running surfaces make a difference when comparing their speed?
Boomer said:Good question. Santonio didn't run at the Combine. NFL.com has him at 4.34 at the OSU Pro Day, but I know a handful of teams had him at 4.29. But if you look at the OSU players - Mangold, Hawk - their times were down around a 10th of a second, whereas the Florida players were slightly less so. But then the athletes that OSU has, when compared to the Gator guys maybe balances it out some.
Personally I think it should be MANDATORY that everyone works out in Indianapolis. If they want to improve their time at the Pro Day then fine, but lets all get on one surface and all run on the same track so you can chuck out the 'faster surface' mentality.
It's splitting hairs as to who's faster. You're talking minute fractions of seconds.
burger13 said:How do you make it mandatory?? Not like I don't understand and appreciate the reasoning in wanting to do so.....but how do you think that you could enforce it??
Look at LenDale White....didn't run at pro day because he 'tweaked' his hammy.....anyone at the combine could pull the same stunt. So what happens when a player refuses? He's not draft eligible? Think the NFLPA would have something to say about that?
Teams could try to take a hard-line approach, but they would just be hurting themselves in the long run....letting obviously talented players past them, who then wind up with the competition.
Just isn't practical, which is why we haven't seen it.
Boomer said:Another issue with Jackson is the comfortable way with which Chad Greenway covered him in the Bowl Game. Yes Chad is a very solid cover linebacker, but still.....