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Agree. Given 4 QBs go top 10 plus Barkley and figure a WR, an elite defensive player will drop. Maybe James Ward Smith or Chubbs the NC DE
Some Draft Thoughts After Looking at Some Early Mock Drafts
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I'd put Roquan at MLB, Raekwon at SLB, and Kiko at WLB. My reasoning for all of this is... Roquan in the middle will go sideline to sideline and make plays all over the field at MLB. Raekwon is the biggest guy of the bunch at 6-2, 240lbs and his initial draft profile had him projected at SAM. I suppose you could swap Kiko and Smith as Kiko played better last year at MLB than he did at OLB this year but Raekwon is the guy I'd def want at SAM with that bunch of Lb's with Kiko coming off the field in nickel packages.
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How about we just leave Kiko off the field all together lol. He honestly played better last year with a broken hand which is odd in itself
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Roquan or Nelson would be my first choices. Both would be day one starters and significant upgrade at positions of need.
We have to hit on this pick, no more injured players or projects with potential.
We have to hit on this pick, no more injured players or projects with potential.
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Well ideally yes... kick Kiko to the curb. Won't happen next season though due to his contract. It's really going to piss me off if Roquan is sitting there when our pick comes up and we pass on him because he's "too small" or the FO and coaches think we don't need him because we have Kiko and Mcmillian.
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I agree I would be highly upset if we pass on him for something that is not even on the same level. The horrors of trading down from 12 and NOT taking Earl Thomas and taking Jared Odrick instead will be running through my head. Hopefully we can make the right decision for once and just fix what needs to be fixed and stop putting a band aid on it by doing the alternative.
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I love Mason Rudolph. Watched him numerous times and I see Ben Roethlisberger when Ben played at Miami of Ohio. Similar size, accuracy and arm talent. Even his throwing style reminds you of Ben.
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We need an OLB not a MLB. Raekwon is our MLB.
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Of what I saw during this weekend and i tried to watch every big game tape Roquan smith looked the most valuable to Miami to me. At the end of the season it’s looked to me like range and feel for the position at lb were the primary need. That kid gives you both in spades. His semi final game started out slow but he came on like a house of fire. Now I’m not sure miami is gonna green flag that size in fact I don’t think they will cause he looks sub 6 foot 2 and 230 maybe but if they do I think his nickel range and feel for the position add gives us the most bang for our buck.
It’s not all roses cause inside the tackles he’s highly post snap reactionary and he’s at the 2nd level more run around tbe blocker than stack and shed due to his post snap reactionary play and at times he can even play a little small when guys get their hands on him but that range and that top speed and finish on the ball carrier is hard to deny. And what Miami needs more than anything else.
We are picking top 12 that means these kids need to really validate the pick.
I also like the Ferrell kid for Clemson but he looks a little raw and I’m not sure the athlete will test top 12 worthy but that’s a 43 de all the way. His space redirect i wasn’t in love with but there’s meat on tbe bone there for sure. He covered a back one one play and it was a bit of a wow moment
Rashaad Evans looks like he’s meant to play mostly north and south. I like the athlete I just don’t like his feel for off the los play top 12 worthy.
Minkah Fitzpatrick I loved the way he locked down a quality slot in renfro in the college semi final. That kid looks the part. I’d like to see more safety play tape but I do know bama was able to not have to force a nickel slot corner on tbe field vs that matchup and he won it all night long. I expect that kid to test top 5 worthy even
The guard quenton Nelson for notre dame frankly I expected a better athlete but what I saw was a monster strength player whose technique was a little hit and miss who played with a disposition and finish to him that I loved. Top 12 though? A little rich in most classes I’d say. Feet not quite the level that I’d look for. Former college tackles like scherf and forrest lamp both had better feet. But that dude will finish. I saw him press and sit on multiple guys.
I really like Christian Wilkins he just looks undersized and miamis not in the first round dt market.
At rb I loved Sony michel. I think that would be a great change of pace and complement to Kenyan Drake. But I’m gonna bet with that acceleration and burst and pass catching ability that he’s gonna cost a top 50 pick.
I think chubb has better vision and that he will also be drafted on day 2 but I think in terms of Miami and the pass game scheme asks michels value is more significant. Chubb did look somewhat like frank gore to me however.
Bo scarborough looked like a poor mans Sony Michel but with build up speed instead of quick acceleration. Michel can out flank you.
That’s not a great tape for baker mayfield. Had a feel of a system qb at times. When asked to reset his feet from the pocket he was errant. Feet got happy. Looked better outside the pocket but one thing that stood out to me was his inability to outflank the opposition as a ball carrier. The nfl is full of that type of speed opposition if the threat isn’t there to turn the corner dcs won’t play the read option as honest. The pistol and the spread stuff will be there but it was telling how much he was run down horizontally. I will maintain he’s on tbe board come pick 11 and later even.
Mark Andrews ran two fantastic routes and made two very good plays as a result but Georgia shifted into a higher level athlete on him after and he struggled to separate. When he was open the ball was errant. I’m still a big Andrews fan given the route running the polish and the feet but that was a little bit of an ehh moment.
Derrius juice I didn’t quite see the juice in terms of acceleration to validate a top 15 pick he carried the pile he was very effective but I just don’t see that kind of value. Looks a little undersized to me too.
In terms of strictly what I saw this weekend relative to what I expect a guy to look like to validate a first or 2nd day pick I’d say miamis biggest bang for their buck would be:
Pick 11 lb roquan Smith
2nd round rb Sony Michel
3rd round te mark Andrews
Full disclosure I don’t expect Andrews to be there in the 3rd round
I had tremaine Edmunds as a top 15 target but I don’t love his range enough for it and I see strong side and bear front even ideal fit. Top 12 it’s not enough bang for my buck.
More than anything miami needs range and feel for the position at lb. after that it’s de for the future and while I think ferrell may be that guy out of what I saw he needs to test top 12 worthy.
It’s not all roses cause inside the tackles he’s highly post snap reactionary and he’s at the 2nd level more run around tbe blocker than stack and shed due to his post snap reactionary play and at times he can even play a little small when guys get their hands on him but that range and that top speed and finish on the ball carrier is hard to deny. And what Miami needs more than anything else.
We are picking top 12 that means these kids need to really validate the pick.
I also like the Ferrell kid for Clemson but he looks a little raw and I’m not sure the athlete will test top 12 worthy but that’s a 43 de all the way. His space redirect i wasn’t in love with but there’s meat on tbe bone there for sure. He covered a back one one play and it was a bit of a wow moment
Rashaad Evans looks like he’s meant to play mostly north and south. I like the athlete I just don’t like his feel for off the los play top 12 worthy.
Minkah Fitzpatrick I loved the way he locked down a quality slot in renfro in the college semi final. That kid looks the part. I’d like to see more safety play tape but I do know bama was able to not have to force a nickel slot corner on tbe field vs that matchup and he won it all night long. I expect that kid to test top 5 worthy even
The guard quenton Nelson for notre dame frankly I expected a better athlete but what I saw was a monster strength player whose technique was a little hit and miss who played with a disposition and finish to him that I loved. Top 12 though? A little rich in most classes I’d say. Feet not quite the level that I’d look for. Former college tackles like scherf and forrest lamp both had better feet. But that dude will finish. I saw him press and sit on multiple guys.
I really like Christian Wilkins he just looks undersized and miamis not in the first round dt market.
At rb I loved Sony michel. I think that would be a great change of pace and complement to Kenyan Drake. But I’m gonna bet with that acceleration and burst and pass catching ability that he’s gonna cost a top 50 pick.
I think chubb has better vision and that he will also be drafted on day 2 but I think in terms of Miami and the pass game scheme asks michels value is more significant. Chubb did look somewhat like frank gore to me however.
Bo scarborough looked like a poor mans Sony Michel but with build up speed instead of quick acceleration. Michel can out flank you.
That’s not a great tape for baker mayfield. Had a feel of a system qb at times. When asked to reset his feet from the pocket he was errant. Feet got happy. Looked better outside the pocket but one thing that stood out to me was his inability to outflank the opposition as a ball carrier. The nfl is full of that type of speed opposition if the threat isn’t there to turn the corner dcs won’t play the read option as honest. The pistol and the spread stuff will be there but it was telling how much he was run down horizontally. I will maintain he’s on tbe board come pick 11 and later even.
Mark Andrews ran two fantastic routes and made two very good plays as a result but Georgia shifted into a higher level athlete on him after and he struggled to separate. When he was open the ball was errant. I’m still a big Andrews fan given the route running the polish and the feet but that was a little bit of an ehh moment.
Derrius juice I didn’t quite see the juice in terms of acceleration to validate a top 15 pick he carried the pile he was very effective but I just don’t see that kind of value. Looks a little undersized to me too.
In terms of strictly what I saw this weekend relative to what I expect a guy to look like to validate a first or 2nd day pick I’d say miamis biggest bang for their buck would be:
Pick 11 lb roquan Smith
2nd round rb Sony Michel
3rd round te mark Andrews
Full disclosure I don’t expect Andrews to be there in the 3rd round
I had tremaine Edmunds as a top 15 target but I don’t love his range enough for it and I see strong side and bear front even ideal fit. Top 12 it’s not enough bang for my buck.
More than anything miami needs range and feel for the position at lb. after that it’s de for the future and while I think ferrell may be that guy out of what I saw he needs to test top 12 worthy.
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We have 2 strong safeties, Why not 2 middle LBs?
We should be taking Quention Nelson out of Notre Dame. I would not be adverse to taking Roquan Smith out of Georgia.
hoops- what about moving raekwon to sam, roquan at mike, and kiko at weak still. leave r/r on the field in the nickel, if mcmillan proves up to it
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Gase should just go get his QB. if there's one available he likes.
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There won’t be unless it’s josh rosen or Sam darnold.
If you made me as a gm have to put my job on the line for any qb in this class in terms of long term I’d say it’s darnold or no one.
But Rosen’s game fits our o the best. Darnold could probably adapt to it as long as we implemented a heavy dose of primary read stuff and predetermined throws. While his progression game developed
He’s gonna come in the league if he comes out this draft a heavy primary read and take off with it qb
Not that it matters he won’t be there at 11
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That’s what miamis gonna struggle with with Roquan outside of the size thing which doesn’t look to be something miami is willing to deal with in a top 12 pick.
A big part of Roquans value is his sideline to sideline range. That’s not magnified as much at weak as it would be at mike in the center of the field and bottom line is if you draft a off the los top 12 he comes in a guaranteed lock to play every down out the gate.
I think something miami would consider here would be Kiko at strong in base. He’s 6 foot 3 he’s 233 lbs he dropped 5 lbs from mike to play weak they could ask him to gain that back and put him at strong. Is it ideal no poa play is not his strength is it best bang for his contract buck no but he would play a 2 down strong and a starting nickel. Plus I have maintained from the get go that I don’t love Raekwon’s range for the nickel and that was before an acl injury robbed him of a year
I don’t believe miami wants to move Raekwon’s inside the tackle poa play outside they tried hull there this year hated his poa play so much we signed Rey mauluga and miscast a poa guy in chase allen there even.
Poa play and gap integrity is a big part of our scheme. That aspect of the game is not one I’d say is a strength of roquans at that size I think miami would see weak
But money in Kiko and snaps for him and the fact 2 down strong isn’t hard to find or implement in our scheme and we have in house options already for us and of course the major factor being roquans size relative to our scheme ask relative to the value of a top 12 pick asset in terms of what they expect the prototype to be for the positions and that’s why I think of the kids I saw this weekend miamis gonna take a real hard look at the de Ferrell from Clemson at pick 11.
Ideally they’d love to see Brandon chubb and run that card up but if that’s out I think Ferrell becomes at least a heavy conversation piece.
If they don’t green light roquans size for their scheme ask and more importantly relative to the value of the pick than he will be out from the get
I think they would go undersized at some point obviously but it would probably be on a day 3 or Udfa type of add. Not top 15 unless they are willing to make compromises
To date every indicator I have gotten is 6 foot 2 and frame to carry 240 lbs as plan a’s at lb
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