Stephen Ross and CBA

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  1. cuban_refugee

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    Apparently Ross (along with Kraft from NE) are the two owners that are having issues with the current proposal for the new CBA. Just read it in Rotoworld. Not sure if this is will be a big hold up, or they just need clarification on a few things. Let's hope it's the latter.
     
  2. NY8123

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    Given Ross's wherewithal in past football matters he really should just sit down and shut the **** up.
     
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    :lol::chuckle:
     
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    Link please.
     
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    Ross and Kraft are the only two to have been identified at the moment, they are not the only two.
     
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    Ross and Kraft basically want a contingency that if the revenues go down because of an economic downturn, that the salary cap will go down so that expenses don't overrun revenue. The players have wanted, and seem like they will probably get, an contingency that if revenue is higher than expected, the salary cap will go up, so this seems to be fair to me.
     
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    I always like when the cap goes up (every year) because the Dolphins can get more/better players.So obviously I am cool with the cap rising.

    But if the league is losing money, there is no reason why what Ross is saying should not be accepted.

    My only problem is who will be in charge of making these predictions? Because what was just a guess will now need more accuracy because there is now money on the line.
     
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  10. ckparrothead

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    Fair, but it begs the question as to why the owners are pursuing this angle of "pegging the cap" rather than simply negotiating a percentage revenue split. If you set a percentage then the players share in the upside and they share in the downside, and it's a lot simpler way of doing it.
     
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    who knows why anyone does what they do? I honestly am not following the lockout closely anymore, it's just too boring to spend the time or energy on it.
     
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    seriously... wake me up when it's over.
     
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    I really do not like Stephen Ross.

    right or wrong - who is this guy? he acts like he is some big-shot in the Football world. hes a goon.
     
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    Ross is a billionaire that owns a NFL team, which there are only 32 of. He has every right to have an opinion on this matter. His opinion matters just as much as any other owner in the league.
     
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    He's a good businessman, who wants his investment in the team to pay off. He's not a goon, he's just not being stupid, and is protecting his investment. You don't become a multi billionaire without doing that.
     
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    You're right on. Besides, it's better for EVERYONE (owners, players, league, and fans) if this CBA has a better financial model than it's predecessor. They could play under this agreement for the next 20 years if there's more comprehensive contingencies.
     
  17. MikeO

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    You do realize the cap goes up for EVERY team. Making it easier for teams to KEEP the players they have, meaning less free agency movement!

    WOW!!
     
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    Get it done alredy jeeeez!!!!!
     
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    It was reported that Ross is the second wealthiest owner behind Paul Allen in Seattle. His net wealth has gone down with the recession and the impact on property development but what many don't understand is that he can buy and sell many of the other owners, including Jerry Jones.
     
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    How is it that Kraft is having issues with the deal, he's the leader of the labor negotiating committee for the owners. He's been at every player/owners meeting negotiating the parameters of the deal...this makes no sense to me.

    In any case we should find out today or tomorrow if things will progress on their current course or if things will regress significantly once the owners have met and discussed what progress has been made. If the owners aren't onboard then all progress will probably be scrapped and we're back to square one. The likelihood of football this season will be in serious jeopardy.
     
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    Somehow Ross grows more hate-able every day. He's a ****ing scumbag and dark days are ahead for this team under his ownership.
     
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    I think that you are misinterpreting things. He is asking some valid business questions pertaining to his asset that is valued at hundreds of millions of dollars - that doesn't make him a scumbag.
    Reality is that he doesn't profess to be a football expert and personally get into the player acquisitions like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. He is still learning to be a good owner. Last year was a disappointing season and he is holding Sparano and Ireland accountable. There is nothing wrong with him putting some pressure on his key football people. If they don't get performance improvement, they will be gone and others will be given an opportunity. That doesn't make him a scumbag.
     
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    You do realize that's not something to get so worked up over, right? Wowza.

    You do realize that FA decisions by the players aren't always over whether their current teams are willing to resign them? For example, another team may now be able and willing to pay a player more than the current team.

    That being said, I don't think it impacts FA all that much. Teams find ways to sign FA's regardless of the cap. A rising cap just means the players get a bigger piece of the pie.
     
  24. MikeO

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    Who's worked up? Just making an observation.

    And have you ever heard of the "Franchise Tag"....give teams more cap room they are more likely to franchise quality players preventing them from hitting Free Agency.
     

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