Supplemental Draft scheduled for July 12th, might have up to 10 players

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  1. Nublar7

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    Didn't the NFL allocate 32 picks to 15 teams? I don't think we are getting any supp picks Nub??? :confused: Maybe I am thinking about the compensatory picks that go to NFL teams during the NFL draft?
     
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    This draft is for players who were not eligible for the normal draft in April for various reasons. Any team has the opportunity to place a blind bid (next year's draft pick) on a player in this draft. This is how the Raiders got that OSU QB a couple years ago.
     
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    Youre gonna have to explain this. What now? Are you thinking of compensatory picks?
     
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    That's a different thing. The NFL allocates compensatory picks to teams for the normal draft. The supplemental draft is a separate event for players that either missed the deadline to file for the draft or they're in eligibility trouble with their school (academic or disciplinary). Teams submit bids for the players based on what round they would draft them in (or what round pick they would be willing to give up for them). If they get the player, they give up a pick in the round they submitted in the next draft (2013). Teams with 6 wins or fewer have priority.
     
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    Yeah, my bad....I was thinking about the compensatory picks that they usually start giving out around the end of the third-seventh rounds during the actual draft. :chuckle:
     
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    I would be surprised if Ireland used a pick in the Supplemental Draft, but I wouldn't be shocked if they target someone who goes undrafted. I am sure Ireland wouldn't lose any sleep if he likes one of the undrafted guys and has to cut guy #90 to make room. Will be interesting to see who all declares for the draft.
     
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    I wonder what the word is on the Georgia safety Bacarri Rambo, who the article listed as a possible draftee?
     
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    We're the front runner for WR Kashif Montgomery who is not going to be in the Supplemental Draft.
     
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    I wouldn't expect any real action in the Supplemental Draft this year. The position that has turned into a problem for them is WR but that's probably why they're snooping around Kashif Montgomery, who won't be in the Supplemental Draft.
     
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    Very rarely to these guys get out
     
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    Is there any chance the two guys from Ohio state enter the draft
     
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    How many have entered the draft
     
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    As far as I can gather, three have officially declared for the Supplemental draft.

    TCU Running Back Ed Wesley
    Baylor Wide Receiver Josh Gordon
    Stephen F. Austin Wide Receiver Houston Tuminello

    Of those three, only Wesley has a shot of being drafted, the other two will be undrafted free agents.

    That is it so far, but there could be as many as 10 when all is said and done. It is rumored the full list will be released tomorrow or by mid week. Other names that could soon join the list are Georgia safety Bacarri Rambo, Miami safety Ray-Ray Armstrong, Miami offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson, Kansas State offensive tackle Manase Foketi and Boston College running back Montel Harris.
     
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    Of those three, Josh Gordon has the best shot at getting drafted and may actually go in the mid rounds. Given the Dolphins' rumored interest in Kashif Montgomery, they may actually have their eye on Flash Gordon in the Supplemental. You're not in the process of bringing Kashif Montgomery onto the roster unless you believe there's a spot open for another young, developmental receiver, particular a speed guy. The problem for Kashif is, Josh Gordon is the same kind of guy, a young developmental type with burner speed. He's a legit 6'3" or 6'4" with good solid mass and has legit 4.40 type speed. There are rumors he has tested even lower than that. You're talking about a legit Vincent Jackson type size/speed combination.

    Based on the small amount I have seen of Gordon, which is to say his most recent game as a collegiate athlete...I would definitely book him, depending on the price tag. Don't know if I'd give up a 3rd for him, because I hate giving up high picks in the Supplemental, but I would consider anything lower. His reputed speed is legit, and he has legit acceleration to go with it. He has legit strength and physicality to match his natural size advantage. I haven't seen enough to know how good his hands are but they seem OK to me.
     
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    is henderson the former #1 recruit tackle from a few years ago???
     
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    Josh Gordon will more than likely warrant a 3rd/4th round pick.
     
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    Yes, this move has Ryan Leaf maturity issues written all over it.
     
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    Full list of of players in the draft:

    Boise State defensive back Quaylon Ewing
    Baylor wide receiver Josh Gordon
    Syracuse running back Adam Harris
    Iowa State tackle Adrian Haughton
    Carson-Newman linebacker Larry Lumpkin
    Georgia defensive end Montez Robinson
    McMurray wide receiver Houston Tuminello
    TCU running back Ed Wesley
     
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    Josh Gordon definitely has my interest piqued. Adam Engroff will be key in all this because as the west scout that covers Utah he should be able to do two things for me:

    1. Plot a development vector for Gordon's route running based on what it was at Baylor and what Engroff saw in practice at Utah
    2. Use his contacts at Utah to give me the real story on why Gordon is running away from his second school in as many years

    The reason I need to see the first point is because Gordon was a limited receiver at Baylor. He was a mega size/speed guy and they used him that way, perimeter-only, basically ran three routes, plus screens. I need Engroff to tell me if he's been developed more since transferring to Utah.

    The point of reference I'd use is Tommy Streeter. Similar size/speed combination, similar production, both have off field type personality concerns, both were developed and used in limited fashion. Gordon gets off the blocks better, is more physical and strong, and I think he runs a little more in control. But those differences aren't necessarily obvious enough to make Gordon's grade way better. Streeter went 6th round which would suggest Gordon could go 4th to 6th, but teams typically bump down a round for being in the Supplemental Draft...so I would say Gordon likely goes 5th to 7th and if I'm Miami and I like him, the decision I make is whether I think I'll get him if I bid a 5th rounder, and if I don't, am I willing to part with a 4th. Need to speak to Engroff to answer the latter question but right now I'd not be inclined. Most I would bid for him is a 5th and if Engroff tells me he's bad, bad news...I take him off the table.
     
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    WR Josh Gordon, Baylor-Utah

    Quick Points
    *Josh Gordon was a 2 star recruit (Scout.com) out of Lamar High School in Texas, right in the back yard of Texas A&M.
    *He was listed 6'4" and 215 lbs coming out of high school, supposedly running a 4.55 in the 40 yard dash.
    *Had interest from Big 12 and Big Ten schools. Offers from Nebraska, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, Kansas & Missouri. Michigan had heavy interest.
    *His top two schools ended up Mike Sherman's Texas A&M and Art Briles' Baylor. He chose Baylor over A&M.
    *He had a 2.5 GPA in High School and a 21 on the ACT.
    *Spent 2009 on the bench as a true freshman, amassing only 1 catch for 7 yards.
    *Broke out in 2010 as a true sophomore catching 42 balls for 714 yards (17.0 YPC) and 7 TDs. Kendall Wright had 72 catches for 953 yards and 7 TDs.
    *Worked almost exclusively on the right side of the formation out on the perimeter as a starter, playing nearly every snap.
    *Size ranges between 6'3" and 6'4", at around 220 or 225 lbs. Listed size appears legit on tape.
    *Speed ranges from mid 4.4's to reports of running in the 4.3's in practice. Speed appears legit on tape.
    *Has legit acceleration and foot quickness to go with speed, is not a build-up speed/long-strider type.
    *Is as strong and physical as you would hope a guy that big would be, really bullies DBs as a blocker, explosive punch, highly motivated.
    *Limited role in 2010, perimeter-only, ran essentially three routes plus screens. Terrence Williams and Kendall Wright were varied more in usage.
    *Clean hands catcher, showed the ability to track and haul in the over the shoulder ball.
    *Good acceleration and excellent physicality after the catch. Effective on screens.
    *Ability to get off the line at the snap and eat cushion stands out, tough for even 4.43 guys to cover deep one on one.
    *Suspended indefinitely for an incident where he was arrested in a car that had a small amount of marijuana in it.
    *Chose to leave Baylor and transfer to Utah because of the incident. Sat out the 2011 season as result of transfer.
    *Daniel Jeremiah (Twitter: @MoveTheSticks) recalled seeing him at 2011 Utah practices and hearing coaches praise him highly.
    *Will work out for scouts on July 10th, 2012. Supplemental Draft to be held July 12th, 2012.

    My take: I love his talent. It reminds me of someone like Vincent Jackson. There is latent, under-appreciated RAC talent and a vicious blocker with solid hands and strong upper body all hidden inside him. We only last saw the guy play in 2010 as a true sophomore running limited roles in Art Briles' system. He could be up whole levels compared with what he was back then, after a year of practicing with the Utes. Having some idea how he's grown in that year should be key for whichever team drafts him, whether that means contacts at Utah, scouts personally having witnessed him practice, or just private workouts leading up to the Supplemental Draft. A team will also have to get comfortable with him off the field and have their arms wrapped around why he's leaving Utah after sitting out his transfer year. It's bad enough he ran away from Baylor after getting caught with marijuana. The Supplemental Draft is viewed pretty skeptically by the NFL, so his stock is likely to be compared more with the likes of Tommy Streeter than the likes of Stephen Hill. Production, history, character and experience level all point more to Streeter than Hill. But he's better than Streeter in my opinion, quicker off the line, more physical, more controlled, cleaner. If Streeter was taken in the 6th then I would think Gordon should go in the 4th or 5th. However, teams often bump grades down a round out of pure caution when it comes to the Supplemental Draft, so his base grade is more likely to be a 5th or 6th. I say base grade because character dig-up will affect it, as will how clear vision individual teams feel they have for how he evolved during his stay with Utah. Like I said that can either be achieved by having your west scout pound the table for the guy and say he's had his eye on this kid a long time and viewed him as one of his top receivers heading into 2012, or it can be achieved with a blowout private workout.

    Dolphins take: Mike Sherman has some amount of experience with Gordon from having recruited him, and highly esteemed west scout Adam Engroff has doubtless been checking up on him since he transferred from Baylor to Utah. The Dolphins have been rumored to be sniffing around Kashif Montgomery, which means they're interested in another developmental prospect, perhaps specifically a fast and physically dynamic one, and so that puts them in the market for Gordon. I would not expect them to offer more than a 5th or 6th, though.

    YouTube Plays

    From the 2010 Texas Bowl, Illinois vs Baylor:

    Screen catch for very little yardage, didn't seem to be expecting the ball
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=87s

    Watch how fast he gets off the blocks and down the field (btw, what an unpleasant looking woman...)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=98s

    Seemed like this should've been called P.I. since it was 10 yards down the field. No catch...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=132s

    Strong blocking for a receiver that comes in behind him...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=169s

    Blocked his man into tomorrow on this play...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=201s

    Screen catch and run for about 10 yards on 1st down, strong acceleration, good finish...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=220s

    Runs a 12 yard curl route against off coverage, DB forced to back pedal aggressively, lots of separation, no throw...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=226s

    Look how far the corners are playing off the Baylor perimeter WRs on 2nd & 10, respecting deep ability...ridonkulous...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=244s

    Short catch with a good 5 yards of run after catch, including 3 yards after contact
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=252s

    Catch off the scramble with a DB on him immediately for the tackle
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=260s

    Corner plays 7 yards off the ball and turns hips early, Gordon still creates downfield separation, ball overthrown
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=281s

    Key block on a touchdown run to his side
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=329s

    One-on-one downfield with CB Travon Bellamy, draws the P.I. flag
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=345s

    Catch on a scramble drill against Bellamy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=404s

    Another catch on an ill-timed throw, no run-after-catch because of timing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=413s

    Nice out route catch against future standout CB Terry Hawthorne
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=493s

    Nice fake on Hawthorne, ball not thrown to him
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=520s

    Accidentally trips up his own runner trying to block for him
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r456mWHvt_c#t=578s


    From a collection of 2010 Baylor football highlights:

    Two consecutive plays...over the shoulder touchdown catch...impressive run after catch touchdown
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gyePs2_yJB0#t=164s

    Long vertical touchdown reception versus K-State
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gyePs2_yJB0#t=264s

    Deep vertical touchdown (I think versus TCU)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gyePs2_yJB0#t=369s

    Another more impressive deep vertical touchdown versus TCU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gyePs2_yJB0#t=406s

    Another deep touchdown
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gyePs2_yJB0#t=446s


    From the 2010 Kansas game:

    Deep touchdown catch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-lbNdQAzVzg#t=21s

    Big block on a screen
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-lbNdQAzVzg#t=50s

    94 yard touchdown catch and run off the screen
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-lbNdQAzVzg#t=71s

    Big catch and run
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-lbNdQAzVzg#t=95s


    From the Buffalo-Baylor 2010 game:

    Screen catch and run...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6i3Ub-1hs78#t=328s


    From the Oklahoma State game 2010:

    Screen catch and run, ball stripped, fumble recovered by Cowboys
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZHzARaArg1M#t=26s
     
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    Dolphins will take Josh Gordon.

    Watch.
     
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    i would give a 6th round pick for this guy, but nothing more... maybe he's the next cris carter
     
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    I remember Josh Gordon from Baylor in 2010... Impressive physical ability.

    I'd say 4th round or later bring him in.
     
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    I am a fan of Josh Gordon. A guy who stands 6"4 and can run between a 4.3-4.4 forty who was very productive at Baylor. In 2010 he hauled in 7 touchdown passes from RG3. I'd use a 5th Rounder on him, possibly a 4th but nothing more.
     
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    Seantrel Henderson cannot be drafted. He's only going to be a true junior this year and is not 3 years removed from HS, thus not draft eligible.
     

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