Tannehill 5th Ranked as a "Passer"

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  1. FinfanInBuffalo

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    Originally from an article on the Sen Sentinel site:

    'What's interesting (as Alert E-mailer "Larry Larry" pointed out) is that Tannehill ranks fifth when only the passing component of the QBR is figured. Brady, more in keeping with what you might expect, is fourth. In fact, the passing-only filter includes many of the names you'd expect (in order): Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Brady, Tannehill, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger and Matthew Stafford."

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/cwepaPassesCondensed
     
  2. Phindog

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    No!!!!....It cant be.It's basically his EPA rating.

    Someone cue Shouright to come in and steer you to some obscure NFL site in the edge of the universe with ratings he likes....

    * Season Leaders: On pace for 250 action plays.
    * All-time data reflects 2006 onwards.
    PASS EPA: Clutch-weighted expected points added on plays with pass attempts.
    RUN EPA: Clutch-weighted expected points added through scrambles, designed rushes and fumbles/fumble returns on running plays.
    SACK EPA: Clutch-weighted expected points added (lost) on sacks.
    PEN EPA: Clutch-weighted expected points added on penalties.
    TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.
    ACT PLAYS: Plays on which the QB has a non-zero expected points contribution. Includes most plays that are not handoffs.
    QB PAR: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of a quarterback who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL.
    QB PAA: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.
    TOTAL QBR: Total Quarterback Rating, which values quarterback on all play types on a 0-to-100 scale.
     
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  3. Shouright

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    What the flock does that have to do with the OP?

    I see Brett Favre Marc Bulger Kurt Warner Chad Pennington,could it be true Shouright doesnt understand how to use ESPN 2013 QBR page?

    Is this possible?...the king of stats?...I am extremely disappointed if thats the case.
     
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    That' just too many numbers

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    EPA = "clutch-weighted expected points added on plays with pass attempts"

    This gives us absolutely ZERO clue how it is calculated. All I know is that he led 4th quarter game winning drives against Superbowl-winning HCs and QBs in back to back weeks, one of which was on the road in the snow... If that is bottom-ranked EPA, so be it!
     
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    I hate the "passer" label. WTF else should a QB be judged upon? "Man, he is the best at handed off the ball!" Just dumb. People say Marino was the best passer ever but a lot say not the best QB. How ignorant. A QB IS a PASSER. A running back is a runner. A WR catches the ball. The o-line blocks. ETC...ETC...ETC... The only thing a QB should ultimately be judged on IS AS A PASSER.
     
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    I love Tannehill but to single out one part of QBR doesn't prove anything. His total QBR is pretty low. 25th in the league. My eyes tell me has has been a top 15 QB at worst this year and that is my favorite stat.
     
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    Everything about QBR is trash and if it says Tannehill is the 5th best passer in the NFL, whoop dee doo.

    They won't even reveal the full methodology they use to compute QBR.
     
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    Let's stop using the espn qbr, I rather not spread any opinion that the stat is worth anything. Maybe if we don't pay attention it will go away
     
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    QBR is a joke, but even Shourigt's link, there are only 22 QBs above him all time, and most of them are either hall of famers or borderline hall of famers. Not bad company.
     
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    The stat has been kept by ESPN.com only since 2006.
     
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    And how many QBs have started in the NFL since 2006? Probably near 200. On the Dolphins alone we've had 4 or 5 QBs start in that time span. Now multiply that by 28 or so.

    Here are the QBs with higher Passer EPA seasons than Tannehill's current season:

    Drew Brees
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Aaron Rodgers

    Tony Romo
    Matt Ryan
    Brett Favre
    Ben Roethelisberger

    Matt Schaub
    Phillip Rivers
    Matthew Stafford
    Kurt Warner
    Jay Cutler
    Chad Pennington
    Carson Palmer
    Eli Manning
    Marc Bulger
    Matt Hasselbeck
    Russell Wilson
    RG3

    *the bolded are surefire HOFers

    Tannehill's current season Passer EPA comes ahead of any season thus far by:

    Andrew Luck
    Donovan McNabb
    Sam Bradford
    Cam Newton
    Joe Flacco
    Colin Kaepernick
    Andy Dalton
    Alex Smith
    Michael Vick
    Steve McNair

    I'd say that is pretty good for a 2nd year player with only a year's worth of college experience at the position who is operating without a strong running game and a makeshift OL.
     
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    QBR is a ****ing stupid stat.
     
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    Unless we're discussing golf, I can pretty much look at a 65 and tell it's not special
     
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    I don't give a s*** i if we have the worst ranked offense, defense, or special teams a long as we are winning our way to the playoffs!
     
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    I brought this up last week
     
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    You do realize that stat is compounded over the weeks right? He had the highest passing EPA last week and is averaging 5.5 points per week. Carry that over for two more weeks and he's closer to 77 for the season which will put him in the top 40 on your all-time list. Not bad for a guy that just started coming into his own.
     
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    Tannehill should be better judged by his W-L record and right now he has more "w's" than "L's". Qb stats are misleading like most stats are. They take zero consideration on adjustments by the wideouts and overall skills needed to catch a pass. How many passes are caught because the receiver bailed the qb out?
     
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    Check it now.

    Of course there was very little play in today's game that could be "clutch-weighted."
     
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    He didn't even have 65 yards of total offense today!
     
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