The Browns could trade for Landry and James

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  1. Stills&Landry

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    The Browns have $60M in cap space in 2018. Problem, no one good will sign with them. They have 3 second round picks a 3rd, 2 4ths and 2 5ths. ****, they might even trade down from #4. While their 12+ picks will net a lot of young, cheap talent they need talented veterans to build around. I could see us tagging and trading Landry to them for their early 3rd and James for their late second. They have the money to extend them. The players they have at those positions suck. We'd be in great shape to replace them.
     
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    A third for Landry? Because we find guys like Landry in third rounds on a common basis?
     
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    That’s quite a common round to get a slot WR, so yeah.
     
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    Unfortunately in the position we are with him that's about all he would fetch. Honestly I'd rather the 3rd now than lose him to FA and having to wait a year for a late 3rd or pay him what he wants. I do think he's replaceable. If we lose him there's a long list of guys in the draft I'd rather have not to mention what we have in house. Kirk, Moore, Tate, Ridley, Cobb, Miller, Brown, Campbell, Ateman... This is a good year for mid round WRs, deep draft, just not very good at the top. Watch some Kirk, Moore, Miller and Campbell and tell me they aren't better than Landry exactly at what Landry does. Kirk and Moore are late 1st rounders. Moore might make it to the 2nd. Miller and Campbell will go between the second and third.
     
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    Browns have $110 million in space I think I read somewhere.
     
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    Brown's wouldn't make that trade because Landry would sign a long-term deal in that ****hole
     
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    Give it a few years...the Browns will be vastly better than us.
     
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    Lol, agreed! Landry will probably go somewhere that has a badass QB like Greenbay and be dominant
     
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    With who they hired in the front office they will be coming around quick.
     
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    They may need to get a new HC first, but their Front office is much much better than ours. Their assistant GM would be an upgrade over our GM

    @Stills&Landry why wouldnt anyone good for them? Players will go there for the same reason Suh joined a far from great Dolphins team - money
     
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    Doesn’t matter who they hire. We have TannenBUM leading us. What has he ever done?
     
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    They definitely have a huge advantage over us with cap and draft picks. If they just got the picks right then they would be set.
     
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    I said on another thread, I would love to be the Browns' GM right now.
     
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    If they play it smart those picks and that money are a good foundation. Take Darnold, trade down from #4 and trade for players they would otherwise have no shot at signing.
     
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    Landry would have no choice and apparently money's a big deal for him. No way GB would pay him. They cut Cobb.
     
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    They've amassed that money for a reason. No one will sign for them. Biggest FA signing I remember from them was Hartline. Go figure.
     
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    They have money and picks because of the moneyball crap they tried in recent years with a lawyer as gm
     
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    While I dont want to trade him if they know for sure they aren't going to pay him what he wants I would rather trade him for something than lose him for nothing.
     
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    I wouldn't trade Landry to Cleveland. Maybe james for a 2nd, but Landry it would take a 1st. He has been great for us and to trade him to cleveland is pretty much a big eff you to Landry. He deserves better. We shouldve traded mike wallace there thinking back.
     
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    And set them up for this off season. Moneyball? Nah, who did they lose who was any good? Haden? He wasn't even that expensive.

    Truth is draft picks flop on them for a reason, HCs won't go there for a reason, they suck. Even Manziel, Gordon and all their other busts would have taken the NFL much more seriously if they had been in competitive teams.

    Attracting FAs is hard. Make them an offer and they'll just use it as leverage against other teams. We weren't Browns bad when we got Suh, the Lions were in the same boat.
     
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    lol try to find a Landry in the third round. You'd be drafting for a while
     
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    Ok. I dont agree and think that with a strong FO they will rapidly improve, But if you want to continue a lengthy discussion on the browns please take it to the general nfl section
     
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    I swear if Landry were this holy dolphins saint patron everyone pictures him as he would have signed at top slot WR money a year ago. Feck him. If we can get something in return for him, DO IT!
     
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    There is no reason for any team to trade anything to us for either player. If they want them, they'll get them without a trade. The value these guys have without contracts is nonexistent, and nobody is giving us 2nds or 3rds for them.

    What's going to happen is we'll let Landry walk and get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him, then maybe a 6th or so for James. What we gain is salary, what we lose is the players. Our situation is not unique, and the rest of the league is trying to fit certain players under their salary caps too.
     
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    Welker and Bess were undrafted, Landry was a late second. Besides, how good a slot WR do you really need to win?

    I'm fairly confident that as long as we improve at TE and all our other guys just do OK we could even go by with what we have.
     
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    James on the 5th year option holds a lot of value. He would get a massive contract in FA.

    I swear fans are so obiquitous as to how the league works.

    Both those two guys would hold value to teams willing to pay them but who don't want to risk other team swooping in for them.

    This board severely underrates James.
     
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    I like James, but think you are overrating his trade value - especially at the fairly high option price.

    Im sure teams would be interested in James in fa, but a massive contract?
     
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    VIEWING:
    PLAYER (16)
    POS.
    AGE
    FROM
    TO
    2017 AAV
    STATUS
    MARKET VALUE

    Jay Cutler QB 34 MIA TBD $10,000,000 UFA -
    William Hayes DE 32 MIA TBD $4,750,000 UFA -
    Koa Misi OLB 30 MIA TBD $4,250,000 UFA -
    Nate Allen FS 30 MIA TBD $3,400,000 UFA -
    Jermon Bushrod G 33 MIA TBD $3,000,000 UFA -
    Anthony Fasano TE 33 MIA TBD $2,750,000 UFA -
    Michael Thomas FS 28 MIA TBD $1,797,000 UFA -
    Damien Williams RB 25 MIA TBD $1,797,000 UFA -
    Matt Moore QB 33 MIA TBD $1,775,000 UFA -
    John Denney LS 39 MIA TBD $980,000 UFA -
    Alterraun Verner CB 29 MIA TBD $980,000 UFA -
    Sam Young LT 30 MIA TBD $900,000 UFA -
    Jarvis Landry WR 25 MIA TBD $868,728 UFA -
    David Fales QB 27 MIA TBD $690,000 UFA -
    Walt Aikens FS 26 MIA TBD $658,977 UFA -
    Terrence Fede DE 26 MIA TBD $568,988 UFA -


    Total- 39,165,693


    So 40 million off the books and when I look at that list, besides Landry is anyone even worth bringing back? I want to keep Hayes, but he may be looking to get one last big payday and I can't see us giving that to him.
     
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    Also, Juwan James would have to move to LT to be worth the money. What RT makes close to 10m/yr?
     
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    I can’t see it. The browns screw up so many deals I wouldn’t deal with them. Our luck we’d sign them and Cleveland would screw up the deal and we’d be stuck overpaying for both. That franchise is too dumb to rely on.
     
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    James is the 3rd highest paid RT in 2018 with Veldheer and Lane Johnson topping him. He was the 2nd best RT in 2017 according to pff.

    Top RTs average between $7M-$10M a year. James' option is right at his market price. He could easily get 5 yrs $45M.
     
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    browns can have james for a 3rd.
     
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    If Landry were a Patriot they’d trade him at the heighth of his value for a 2nd right now. That’s why they are the Patriots.
     
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    The keep replenishing the groceries while we are picking over the day old section.
     
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    No they are the patriots because they have s super elite coach, QB and TE. That’s what makes all of there moves look smart. Brady can win with Gronk and jags. Belichick can win on defense with jags.
     
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    and overpaying for expired groceries at that.
     
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    Players in the NFL sign for the most money. To think nobody will sign with Cleveland is a joke. IF Cleveland offers a player the most money they will not think twice about going there
     
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    Plus they will be turning this franchise around a lot faster than many think.
     
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    I don't underrate James ... he is a very mediocre at best player. He is very poor in the run game and mediocre in the pass game ... not such a highly valuable player. His only redeeming points are 1) length, 2) raw athletic ability that is good but not great, 3) he plays a valuable position as a RT. He cannot play LT, he is maddeningly inconsistent, and he is average in terms of durability. He has starting experience and is a solid citizen who doesn't make trouble in the locker room ... his is the very definition of an average player with sub-average performance.
     
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