Trading Randy Starks

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  1. Elliott 1

    Elliott 1 Banned Hammered

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    Things to consider:
    Pro Bowl this year, and was a snub last year. His stock is sky high.

    He is 27 playing in the final year of his contract. It will take BIG money next year to sign him.

    Tony McDaniel is really starting to get it and he graded out really well this past year. He wasn't however, a starter, so his price tag will still be reasonable. It is reasonable to assume if McDaniel isn't promised a legitimate shot at more snaps, he will test free agency, and there are several teams desperate for 3-4 DE's. (Denver,Packers,Patriots,Bills,Browns,etc.)
    If that happens, the Dolphins of course, get nothing.

    Yes, we would all rather trade Merling, but he has no value.

    Odrick will be back healthy, God willing.

    I assume Soliai will also be re-signed, and I expect the Dolphins to pursue Shaun Rogers after Cleveland releases him. In fact, if Starks is traded, the Dolphins may even trade for Rogers and pay him the 5.5 mil. He can still collapse a pocket.

    Maybe this will be the year Ryan Baker learns to stay on his feet and not fall down. Hey, Tamba Hali overcame the same problem and he was argueably the most effective pass rusher in the NFL last year.

    That guy Robert Rose has some great athleticism. I don't know if they are giving him a futures contract or not.

    Dolphins could be 5 or 6 deep at DE and have two NT's even without Starks

    I think I would look to trade him for a late 1st or early 2nd. He could also be packaged with another player like Sapp,Henne,Crowder,Dobbins,Culver,Hilliard, etc.

    I think the Packers would be very interested. Johny Jolly is a problem and he is a free agent. Cullen Jenkins is injury prone and a free agent and other than those two guys they have 0 depth.
     
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    beanh8er A True Fan Donator

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    Starks was signed to a 5 year deal in 2008 how is he a free agent this year?
     
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    DolfanDuBbZ~ Avoid the 'Noid

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    Math is a lost art now days.
     
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    Rogers signed a 6 year 42 million dollar contract in 2008
     
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    Starks I mean. Guess I should've made that clearer. My bad.
     
  6. LikeUntoGod

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    You keep as much talent as you can then you work hard to keep that talent while also ADDING to that talent pool. When a player is doing well, you use him, not trade him. Knowing this front office, they will simply use the pick to draft another lineman.
     
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    Agreed, seeing as he still has 2 years left on his contract, and only being 27....you keep him. Maybe after next season and players like Odrick and Merling prove themselves, would you trade Starks. But until you have proven products to replace the proven product in place do you make that decision.

    People here like the OP, are so quick to tear down what is being built. No patience, no common sense, no foresight.
     
  8. jlfin

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    McDaniel quietly had a very good year. He was very impressive against the Titans and the Bears when he had significant playing time.
    We won't be able to keep all of them (Odrick, Starks, Langford, McDaniel, Merling) so it makes sense to trade one of the guys that has trade value. IMO that would be Starks or Langford. As someone stated earlier, there are several teams that will be desperate for a productive 3-4 DE.
    Keeping Soliai should be a priority.
     
  9. Elliott 1

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    It might help to actually read the thread.
     
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    Not to mention, he sounded like Sparano... "McDaniel 'graded out' well."
     
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    I read your thread. I agree with your thought process but I was just pointing out a factual error that was used as a main point in your thread
     
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    You know it is an interesting concept. I don't like the idea of getting rid of him at all, though.

    Like others have said, he is 27, and coming off back to back Pro Bowl caliber campaigns. He is our best DE.

    If you are drafting guys like Odrick in the 1st, you want them to grow up and be like Starks or better. So why get rid of him? We never use the franchise tag, and that would be an option if he has a great 2011.
     
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    I like McDaniel, but if I had a priority on who to sign now, it would be Solai.
     
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    Did read it. Why trade a PB caliber player with 2 years left on his contract? And leave unproven injury prone players to pick the slack?
     
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    Why the hell do u guys wanna trade Starks so bad? Who would fill his spot? Odrick? Merling? NO!!! He's the best end we have and can also play nose. He's among the best players on our D and shouldnt be going anywhere anytime soon.
     
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    Starks is tough but i wouldn't dismiss the trading option. If you look at what NE did with Seymour when is the right time to trade someone. When their stock is falling? Or when it is at a peak? NE missed Seymour BUT they got a 1st rd pick for him! DE is a position of depth for us. I think Starks gets you that 2nd rd pick back without having to trade down in the 1st. Maybe that gets us a legit QB or certainly increases the odds on getting a starter somewhere. Would he be missed - absolutley - but we have DE's that can step in and replace him. It would also give TMcD a reason to stay and resign since he wants to be a starter and no way would he with Starks here.

    If you could get a decent 2nd rd pick for him i would move him. Keep the youth movement going. Odrick stepping in or bringing back TMcD with Langsford on the other side and seeing if Merling will finally wake up.
     
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    NO! Odrick is unproven so far and has bust potential
     
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    This is all irrelevant anyways since there will be no trading until there is a new CBA which won't happen until way after the draft the way it looks.
     
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    Langford is in his last year of his contract coming up. He has value too.

    1) starter since he was drafted 2) stays healthy 3) 2010 was his best season 4) still has upside as he is progressing every year and it's a good possibility that he will see a pro bowl 5) at 25 he is younger than Starks.

    If Tyson Jackson can go 3rd overall then either starks or langford can garner a 2nd.

    opposing teams may want Langford ahead of Starks. He's younger, upside still left, and the team will get Langford for one year on the cheap.

    With all the money invested in the D-line now may be the best time to trade Langford for fiscal reasons. i would take a 2nd and trade it for a 1st in 2012.. I've talked about this scenario of trading starks or langford for a 2nd for two months now. DE is our deepest position on the team, especially if we resign McDaniel... so if we want a 2nd rounder, you go with the position you are deepest in.

    If somehow we can trade either of those two and turn it into a 1st in 2012 by trading the pick received, it would be a good move.

    Need a new CBA first though before any players can be moved.
     
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    If Starks can bring you a 1st and 3rd, do it. The Phins have a glut of 3-4 DE's in a time where 3-4 DE's are needed and people over pay.

    If Ireland/Sparono can continue to sign a former 5th rounder; develop and flip for 1st and 3rd. Then the Phins can wash the stench of bad drafting off.
     
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    Only if his career is derailed by recurring injuries. I don't think his broken fibula is a sign that he is injury prone. His leg was rolled over in the Buffalo game. He injured his foot while coming back from the fracture
    In TC he earned the starting job and in the Buffalo game he was getting penetration in their backfield regularly. He was even giving Jake Long fits in TC.
    He is the most physically gifted of our DE's and has a high ceiling. He has a large frame, has good leverage, uses his hands well to shed blocks and has a high motor. There is nothing from a physical or football IQ standpoint that would suggest he will be a bust. In fact, quite the opposite.
    I'm glad we drafted him. In the days leading up to the draft I was afraid the Pats or Jets would take him and he would be thorn in our side for the next 10 yrs or so.
     
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    While Starks is good, he's not going to net you a 1st day pick. Package him with Sapp... who played so badly in nickle for you that he'll be cut... or Henne, who, is ummm... yea... or Crowder, who is probably the worst LB still on a team or a backup RB who didn't get a single carry all season or two backups that can be found on the street.

    The most you can get for Starks is probably a 4th rounder. He's a good DE/DL but he's not a game changer... and he does have one year remaining on his contract which means that not only is someone giving up a draft pick, they'll also be resigning him. THat's a tall order.
     
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    Langford is our best DE.

    Starks is our most versatile DE.

    You keep the talent. Don't trade talent. if anything cut or trade Merling, not Starks.
     
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    Your failing to realize the need for 3- DE at this time.

    Dolphins, Jets, Packers, Steelers are really the only teams that have legit 3-4 ends. There a hot commodity and people will over pay for them.
     
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    Problem is that Merling has no value right now. At least not 2nd round value. Personally, I'm against trading Langford or Starks.
     
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    Can't trade crap until a new CBA is in place. If it's not in place before the draft then what's the purpose.

    IMO Cleveland will transition to the 4-3 defense. It's what Tom Hackert (GM) and Mike Holmgren (VP of Operations) know and you stick with what you know. However, Houston could transition to the 3-4 with Wade Phillips now their DC. I've been thinking a lot about this and wondering where Mario Williams would fit but they might not make the transition whole heartedly next year, it may be more of a hybrid 4-3/3-4.
     
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    Houston is a definte possibility. Williams will probably play OLB for them although he has 3-4 DE size. Amobi Okoye could probably be a pretty good 3-4 DE. Outside of that, their DL isn't that good.
     
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    Trading Starks, keeping Soliai and McDaniels is a solid idea. Patriots have made this kind of move an art form. Trade a veteran that still has value with an expiring contract, have multiple picks in the process, therefore solidifying the future of your team. Starks, although a solid contributor to the defense, is not a game changer. A better investment can be made with other talented FAs.
     
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    Starks wont be traded. Thats just stupid for reasons too obvious to even post.
     
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    Getting rid of a pro-bowler WE MUST!...why tho..McDaniel played well..so what..we got odrick AND merling coming back plus Langford having a heck of a year alongside Starks..I say give up on McDaniel if he wants too much cash.
     
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    Yeah, but with so many teams switching to 3-4 or in need of 3-4 ends. Somebody will give up a 3rd or a 4th for him.

    He out of the bunch is most likely to not be here next year.
     
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    if it aint broke dont fix it!!!! :crazy::crazy:
     
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    McDaniel's status depends on the new CBA. If the FA rules were the same as 2010 then he would be a restricted FA and I guess the Dolphins would tender him for a 2nd round pick which would pay McDaniel about the same as he earned last season (close to 2m) and effectively make it another contract year for him.

    But it looks more likely that McDaniel will be an unrestricted FA under the new CBA and I think that will see him get starter money somewhere next season - probably from a team that runs a 4-3 which would probably suit him better. I really hope it isn't us giving him starter money because he was invisible before his contract year. He was already talking in mid season about wanting to play somewhere else next season and I reckon that is what will happen

    Without McDaniel I would be reluctant to trade Starks (or Langford). If you play a 3-4 in Florida heat you need 4 or 5 quality defensive linemen to take the workload. Plus we haven't even re-signed Solai yet. That's a huge priority and until Solai is signed up long term I don't think there's any way you can let go of Starks because he would be Plan B at NT again
     
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    I agree to an extent, but we have a situation where we almost have a logjam at DL. We have Starks, McDaniel, Odrick, Langford, Merling, Soliai, and both Bakers (Ryan and Chris). At least three of these guys can play DE or NT. We can't get everyone out on the field. This is where teams like New England get all of those extra picks that we complain about every year. Starks makes the most sense because his value will never be higher than it is right now and Odrick can easily step in for him. If we really want to pick up extra picks, this is where you do it.
     
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    We should not trade Starks.
     

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