MikeO said:The coaches are established but the contestants are established guys this time not unkowns.
Randy and St.Piere are the coaches
MikeO said:and another thing, neither one of these guys (Shamrock or Ortiz) are the least bit likeable.
Shamrock is a self-centered arrogant jerk.
Ortiz is just the biggest P.O.S. in the sport. Not to mention all of the things he says about Ken are true about him. Talk about past his prime, Ortiz is the poster boy of that.
There is a reason why nobody likes Tito Ortiz and everytime he opens his mouth he shows why. This guy has no chance of getting another title shot, Lidell's calender is filled up for a while and by the time Tito is ready he will be even MORE past his prime.
Ray Finkle said:Wow sounds like Shamrock really got owned. And to think I used to like him when he was in the WWF/E. I admit I only saw him fight two times both vs. Dan Severn in the early days of UFC and was pretty impressed with him, but I guess he just sucks now.
ckb2001 said:Shamrock today is probably as good or better than Shamrock of the past. It's more the guys today being so well-rounded (see Gracie) or so good in comparison to the guys of the past that allows Ortiz to pummel Shamrock and Hughes to pummel Gracie.
Ray Finkle said:I gotcha, I'm far from an expert or knowledgable about UFC, I have only seen a few shows on Spike TV and 2 PPVs. I enjoy it, but I feel like some of the fights are boring but you get that in boxing and wrestling too.