Whoa, A New Sparano?

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  1. phinasota

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    I think he's the same ol' meatball. Yelling at Tebow to look for his check down.
     
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    Wrong forum but I'll bite anyway.

    Is this a new thing in 2012 where players are supposed to pay attention to details? Who knew?
     
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    I think Tebow is gonna give Sparano a heart attack...you can't expect Tebow to methodically drive down the field, run out the clock, and keep the drive alive. The ONLY way Tebow can win is by just taking any chance he can get....I'd say about 30% of his plays that actually WORKED last year were the designed play called in from the booth.

    He'll be in a straight jacket by November if Tebow starts
     
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    Sparano looks more like a New York guy than a Florida guy. Hopefully he screws up the Jets the same way he screwed up the Dolphins.
     
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    Yet Tim Tebow did that a number of times for game winning scores. And then against teams...like us...he then ran in the 2 point conversion.

    ---------- Post added at 11:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 AM ----------

    This will be interesting. I really do not think that Tebow threw one check down pass last season. It is one reason his completion percent was so low. Otherwise, he had the same YPA average as Sanchez did with more longer completions.
     
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    was he calling plays in Miami?

    ---------- Post added at 11:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 AM ----------

    once someone leaves the dolphins they get blamed for everything. First it was BP and once he was gone Miami was going to succeed, then it was Henning and now it's Sparano. After this season and Ireland is gone it will have been his fault then Philbin 2 years later and the cycle continues.
     
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    When Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano are fired after the 2013 season, who gets the blame? I assume Mike Tannenbaum will follow them out the door along with the rest of the coaching staff and front office.
     
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    why would coaches from playoff teams get fired?
     
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    The Jets are blaming most of last season's problems on Brian Schottenheimer. Sometimes simply a new face can help. I think a big part of this was that players and fans had come to dislike Brian Schottenheimer for whatever reasons and he simply had to go for them to start over again.

    This is a good spot for Sparano because he was overwhelmed as a HC not to mention he lived here for a year with Ross looking to replace him and then expecting to be fired any day.

    I go to a couple of Jet's boards and they say that on one hand Brian Schottenheimer's offnese was too complex but then also too simple. They had 5 formations, a lot of movement, different packages to run only the same 4 pass routes out of. (I'm very interested in seeing how Brian Schottenheimer does with the Rams).

    Then they say that Sparano keeps things simple but also has a lot of "ideas". I try to explain to them that Sparano did not come up with the Wildcat and I thought that Tebow will be used in the same spread option as in Denver but at least so far (and it is early) Sparano does seem to be using the Wildcat. The Jet's Wildcat will not have Sanchez in it with nothing to do. It will be a better formation simply having the "QB playing WR" part out of it.

    But it kind of shows Sparano as a plodder, thinking way back inside the box.

    I expect a lot of ground and pound out of Sparano. It is what the Jets were doing best until they decided to have Sanchez try to win games for them last season and the fell apart.
     
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    No, he did not. This is one reason we thought him being hired as a OC was odd. But here he was trying to be a head coach which was too much for him like it is for most people. If he does well with the Jets as a OC, he could win another HC job one day.
     
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    Consider the moron who wrote that piece. Had Tony agreed to work for Philbin instead of Sherman (heaven forbid), I guarantee you that this under-qualfied hack who used to cover the mighty Browns remotely for a Columbus paper (not even getting the OSU assignment) that ESPN plucked out of obscurity would have taken the polar opposite critical tact.
     
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    Kinda like your ex OC's dad?
     
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    The Jets are not a playoff team.
     
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    Actually yes, there were a bunch of times when the meatball called plays in Miami...

    Also, not sure what you mean, when someone leaves Miami they get blamed.. We were blaming Meatball, and Parcells WHILE THEY WERE HERE... Please do not post on things you know absolutely nothing about.
     
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    Miami, Jets, and Bills are all equally as good/bad, right now. Noone stands out above the other two. Could be that the only team to get in from the AFCE are the Rats. I still give the edge to buffalo because of their defense.
     
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    Hmmm, I told you guys from the start BP wasn't a good GM type and I was bashed. You guys LOVED him for the first 2 years. Same thing w/ Tony, I had many people telling me how much better of a coach he was than rex so I know what I'm talking about. Going into last year the scapegoat was your former OC, w/o him you were going to take off. That's the line this year now that Tony is gone and it was the same after all the recent coaches left and will be the same when philbin leaves.

    You can say that all day long but it's just not true. There is a clear pecking order in paper- NE, NYJ, Buf, Mia

    Does paper guarantee anything? No, anything can happen but going into the season it's quite clear how the teams shake out.
     
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    Not true on both counts hip hop... I for one loved the hire in the first year, second year began to hate it, third year totally hated it.. Show me the rule that says I must love a new hire for their entire tenure. You will feel the same way about Meatball when he is fired year 3. You'll be begging for Schottenhiemer back.

    Your pecking order is only made from clear delusions f granduer, if you believe that..
     
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    So you admit you loved it early on, right? what are you arguing? Just like Tony, just like BP, just like the one before him, just like Henne, beck, daunte, etc... you'll sour on guys and they will turn out to be the reason you sucked and the new guys will be great and the reasons you are going to be great. repeat over and over.

    I liked our last OC, I don't scapegoat him. We had many problems on O, he gets his share but I'm not naive to think it was all on him. We'll see what happens w/ Tony, i'm confident in our talent.
     
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    Your arguement is that we love the guysright up until they leave, then after they leave we hate them... Which I said isnt true... Again I hated Sparano and BP WHILE THEY WERE HERE... Also, I hated DC before and after he came and went.. The vast majority of us didnt like any of the guys you mention before and after they were here so youre arguement has no basis.

    Problem with your talent is the guy you have coaching it!
     
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    But you also loved them while they were there, you eventually soured on them turning them into the scapegoats. It's the same cycle, we went through this w/ the Jets for a long time. I know exactly what you have been going through.
     
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    Wrong again.. I loved them for less than half the time they were here... Isnt that the natural order when someone completely sucvks at their job? They sucked while they were here so why wouldnt you turn on them. Majority of Jets fans loved schottenhiemer when he became OC and hated him when he left. How is this different. Sparano and BP are considered skapegoats because because they had no idea what they were doing. That said, they arent skapegoats in the true sense of the word. They are slapegoats because they are the reason for failure

     
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    Actually the majority have hated Schottnehimer almost from day 1. I wasn't one of them, I still like him, I think Bradfrod is going to breakout this year under him.

    The point is one day you guys call someone great and when it appears their time is coming to an end you blame everything on them and then you call the new guy great.

    Sparano and BP did inherit a 1-15 team, can we not forget that? Miami had missed 6 straight postseasons and in year 1 you won a div title w/ them so it's not like they took over a great franchise and ran it into the ground. Miami was better after they left than when they took over.
     
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    Obviously.. There really isnt anywhere to go but up when youre 1-15. The likelyhood of them to do great thinks was far higher than them getting worse than 1-15. If youre satisfied with 11-5, 7-9, 7-9, and 6-10 thats your perogative... The best they could do is 6-10 and by your arguement, that satifyes you had it been the Jets with these records
     
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    They didn't get the job done and deserved to lose their jobs, my point is the way you are bashing them you are making them out to be Rich Kotite of Cam Cameron. They did some good in Miami.
     
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    Bottom line is they failed. Just like Kotite and Cameron.. Maybe not as bad, but they still failed.
     
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    Uh....Henne, Beck, Daunte, etc. did suck. Where's the argument?

    ---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:58 PM ----------

    They didn't do anything good in Miami. They were 11-5 b/c Brady was hurt. They then got beat like always in the PO by BAL then proceeded to go 10 games under .500 the next 3 years.

    That is doing nothing.
     
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    They did but I was told w/ each guy how good they were going to be, I don't know if you were here when you got Daunte but I got killed on here and of course everything I said turned out to be true as he was horrible. Daunte was a very overrated QB in Minnesota, just a #s guy.

    we were 9-7 when Brady got hurt and we had more talent so they did something. You did win the division b/c Brady got hurt but you would have won 10-11 regardless and that's a little better than 1 win, right?
     
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    Fixed that for ya! :thumbup:
     
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    if only we had a 60 year old HC who has never had any success in this league then we'd be set!
     
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    If Daunte was a Dolphin after 2004 then yes I was here. I don't see the problem in fans having faith that their team is doing the right thing. I wanted Brees back then but was content with Culpepper. He didn't do **** for the team so there's really not much else to be said.

    Going 11-5 was like having success with a asterisk next to it. It wouldn't have happened had Brady played but it still was an alright year. It was more of a fluke then anything seeing as how they flopped every year after.
     
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    all fans should have hope but you also shouldn't attack a guy for bringing an objective view. You would think I said ken O'Brien was better than Dan marino. I gave an knowledgeable opinion on him, which by the way I offered long before Miami was even rumored to get him, but people think just b/c I am a jet fan and he was a dolphin that's why I was criticizing him. I give honest opinions, if I think you make good moves I praise, if I think you make bad moves I'll tell you.

    Whether it was a fluke or not it happened and the team vastly improved under those guys- not where you want or need to be but they improved the team.
     
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    I don't remember the discussion about Culpepper but I'm sure people gave you **** for doubting him b/c that's how people are here. They don't want to hear anything negative about their team.
     
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    you actually hired one - one that no one including the savvy GM who knew him best wanted any part of running the team.... and heavy evidence of an inbred, immoral and perverted one lacking any modicum of self-restraint, at that.
     
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    What? No denial that Jabba can't possibly be fired because his record is so great and 20 lines of stats and references to AFCCGs lost to "prove" it? You're slipping, Junc.

    BTW, you might want to check out Gailey's time with the Cowboys.

    It seems to me that the Ravens haven't missed Jabba much at all since he departed. Surely, if he was soooo great, they couldn't have possibly have recovered so quickly from his loss.
     
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    Rex isn't 50 yet and in just 3 seasons he has 4 playoff wins, 4 more than Grandpa Gailey, 4 more than Buf and Miami combined since 2001.

    I remember Gailey w/ dallas when he led them to a div title in 1998 then lost to the Arizona Cardinals at home in the WC rd giving the Cards their 2nd playoff win in team history and first since 1947. Year 2 brought an 8-8 season which qualified them for the playoffs where they got crushed in the WC rd by the Vikings. yes I remember the "great" cowboy days.

    through 3 years post rex Bal made 1 title game, his new team made 2. rex has been in 3 of the last 4 title games.
     
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    All with the same amount of Super Bowl wins too
     
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    And he's 0-3 in those title games..... Somehow, that's fine with you.......
     
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    Junc loves mediocrity even more so than most of the homers here. He's going to cling to Sanchez and Rex until the very end knowing damn well it's never going to work.
     
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    You are right, it's all or nothing. Either you win it all or it's meaningless. Rich Kotite is as good a coach as Marv Levy was. Thanks.

    Not fine at all but much better than goinbg 0 for the Century in reaching the playoffs.

    How is being one of the best teams in the league under Rex mediocrity?

    Never going to work? I'm not talking Jimmy Johnson/Dan Marino, Dave Waanstedt/Jay Fiedler, Nick Saban/Daunte Culpepper, Cam Cameron/whoever was their QB, Tony Sparano/Chad henne.

    How is 2 title game apps in 3 years not working? Not working is not winning a playoff game in over a decade, not working is 1 playoff app since 2002, not working is no title game apps since 1993.
     
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    :rotfl1: Did Kotite actually take a team to the Super Bowl? For that matter, did Jabba?



    That's true, but Jabba's record is still hardly the great thing you make it out to be. He inherited a decent team that made the playoffs in 2002, 2004, and 2006, and they would have likely made the playoffs most of the years they missed if Pennington and later Favre had been healthy.

    The Jests are NOT and haven't been "one of the best teams in the league under Rex". See above.

    Ryan/Sanchez is a joke. :sidelol: ... and now we see Junc bring up his favorite Jests accomplishment: losing 2 AFCCGs in a row. :sidelol:
     
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    How is one actual non-asterisk* worthy legitimate winning season in 3 years working? A case can be made that through the first 3 years in Philly, Kotite was a superior coach to Rex as what he accomplished, he did with no undeserved manna from heaven. :idk:

    Sure Mark McGwire cheated to get into the record books, but on the other hand, unlike the jest who faced 2 teams who laid down for them having had absolutely nothing to gain in what they considered meaningless games other than keeping their starters healthy, at least MacGwire still had to hit balls over the fence that the pitchers weren't pitching underhand to him .
     
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    Kotite won a playoff game, something Chan has never done.

    He inherited a team that made the playoff sin '02, '04 & '06? That's like saying Chan inherited a 4 time AFC Champion. Those early mid 00s teams were completely different than the '09 team he inherited that missed the playoffs in '08 w/ a much easier sched an a HOF QB.


    since Rex took over:

    Most playoff wins in AFC
    tied for most playoff wins in NFL
    ONLY team in NFL to reach 2 title games

    They have been one of the best.

    A joke is going 0 for the Century in playoff apps, a joke is 15 years and counting w/o winning a playoff game, a joke is needing to farm out games to Canada.
     
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    2008 was the season that the Jests traded for Favre and cut Pennington loose. Penney had the last laugh, and the Jests didn't make the playoffs because Favre got hurt late in the season. They still had a great OL, a solid defense, a good running game, and a decent receiving corps but lacked a QB late. That's the team Jabba inherited, but you can't say that any of those units are as good in 2012 as they were in 2009. He's presided over the decline of the Jests.

    Just because Jabba says it doesn't make it true, junc. You should have figured that out by now even if you won't admit it. 9-7 and 11-5 are nice but not nearly "one of the best" by a long shot, and failing to win the division and not making it to the SB really precludes the Jests from laying claim to being "one of the best". The only AFCE team that can make that claim plays its home games in Foxborough, MA. Deal with it. The Jests are also-rans.

    Basking in the glory of being better than the Bills in last fifteen years really demonstrates how pathetic the Jests record has been.
     
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    He inherited a team that won 9 games agaist a creampuff sched w/ no Brady to deal w/ and w/ a HOFer at QB that missed the playoffs. The Jets hadn't been to the playoffs in 3 years, hadn't won a playoff game in 5 years. he didn't inherit a bad team but he didn't inherit a team that knew how to win.

    Wrs are better
    QBs better
    TE better
    DL better
    LBs even
    DBs better

    where is this great decline? The only area we have really declined is on the OL(the decline of the run game fcomes from the struggles ogf the OL last year). That's the only place we aren't as strong or stronger in 2012 than we were in 2009.

    It's all about results:

    Most playoff wins in AFC
    tied for most playoff wins in NFL
    ONLY team in NFL to reach 2 title games

    They have ben one of the best whether you can admit it or not.

    In 2 of the 3 yars we advanced further than NE including whipping them in Foxboro in the div rd of 2010.

    I don't bask in the glory of being better than the Bills, that is expected, but when Bills fans attack my team I can correctly point out how much better we have been.
     
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    Your WRs are Santonio Holmes, Jeremy Kerley, a 2nd round rookie who had fewer catches in his entire college career than most good collegiate WRs have in a season, and a bunch of rejects or never weres. They are nowhere near as good. The fact that all the media mavens were mocking the Phins for having the worst WRs while not even talking about the Jests crap receiving corps simply underscores pro-Jests media bias. Your #1 WR might not even be the #2 WR on most NFL teams.

    Your TE gets better #s because Sanchez checks down so much, as in, he's stolen Trent Edwards' title of Cap'n Checkdown.

    Sanchez is better, barely, than his rookie self from 2009. After 50+ starts, that's sad. He also lost control of his team at the end of the season because of his crappy play. Tim Tebow is the worse backup QB in the NFL, not because he sucks as a passer (which is absolutely true) but because he was brought in to step into Sanchez's job when El Guapo fails, which is what he is being set up to do.

    How is the DL better? Just because the Jests drafted a DE doesn't mean he does a lot as rookie, especially with his questionable attitude. At best, it's a push.

    The DBs are NOT better. CBs are about the same, but you have no FS and your SS are likely to be liabilities in the passing game.

    I have to laugh that you admitted that the OL and RBs are defintely much worse than in 2009, both in starters and in depth, by simply ignoring them. Along with the defense, the OL and the RBs were the most important parts of the Jests formula for making the post season in both 2009 and 2010. "Ground and pound" can't work with a mediocre OL and mediocre RBs.
     
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    Glad you're happy with that. Us fans who don't care much for mediocrity want Superbowls, not back to back AFCCG losses. We want a great QB since this is a QB driven league, not a Mark Sanchez or Matt Moore.

    And LOL at one of the best teams in the league. The best teams in the league aren't going 8-8 and backing into the playoffs at 9-7. The Jets aren't the Patriots. Not the Packers. Not the Steelers. Not the Saints. They were a 2 year postseason fluke never to be heard from again.
     
  49. NYCBillsFan

    NYCBillsFan vvv The Scariest Buffalo Bill

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    A joke is even with all of the Bills failures in this century, the Jets still have a worse franchise record than the Bills. You are trying to dog the Bills franchise every step of the way, but the Jets still are 5 games behind that franchise you so laugh at. How was the Jets record in the 20th Century? Do we really need to go round and round comparing two teams that are sub .500 in franchise records?

    Oh, and Canada is one game. I'm not digging it at all. How do you like farming your entire home schedule out to New Jersey?
     
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    I'm not going to sit here and ignore the fact that the Jets made it to 2 AFCCG's, but let's be real here. What does that ultimately prove? It proves the Jets had 2 chances to get it done and they failed. They failed. That's all anyone really puts weight into. Success in this league is measured by super bowl wins, not playoff losses.
     

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