With Alabama Losing......

[#1dolphinsfan]

I am really hoping that Oregon plays for the National Championship

 

[chrisbaucom]

Boise needs to do what miami and fsu had to do 30 years ago....travel anywhere and play anybody. Don't expect home and homes because its not happening in a crappy 40,000 seat stadium. The fact is they don't play a tough schedule, they get up for 1 -2 tough games a year. Thats a lot easier than an sec schedule, hell thats easier than an acc schedule.

 

[Rafiki]

I really dont know the answer to this but could Boise St. have moved to the Pac-10 if they wanted to with the recent shuffles.

They need an invite first. And to get an invite they need a bigger media market. Think about it: why the **** did the Pac 10 invite Colorado? Does it up their BCS numbers? No.

After all is said and done, Boise State will get passed over repeatedly for an AQ conference due to one thing only: money. Money is what college football is about. It isn't about sportsmanship or finding out which team is best. It's about which team representing a big media market can sell the most viewers to advertisers. Period.

 

[Rafiki]

Boise needs to do what miami and fsu had to do 30 years ago....travel anywhere and play anybody. Don't expect home and homes because its not happening in a crappy 40,000 seat stadium. The fact is they don't play a tough schedule, they get up for 1 -2 tough games a year. Thats a lot easier than an sec schedule, hell thats easier than an acc schedule.

That's a joke. Yes, all they need to do is schedule harder teams--just like on the playstation!

 

[Mako]

They need an invite first. And to get an invite they need a bigger media market. Think about it: why the **** did the Pac 10 invite Colorado? Does it up their BCS numbers? No.

After all is said and done, Boise State will get passed over repeatedly for an AQ conference due to one thing only: money. Money is what college football is about. It isn't about sportsmanship or finding out which team is best. It's about which team representing a big media market can sell the most viewers to advertisers. Period.

Please don't take this as me criticizing Boise State, however what it boils down to (with Colorado getting the invite) is this..

With Colorado, they essentially capture the Denver market, and they get a school with pretty high educational scores.. And they bring the almighty $$$$.. The Pac 10's plan is to get the schools that bring the bucks, and the schools that bring the media markets.

This is the reason they also added Utah.... the market (even though Salt Lake City is truly the cesspool of planet Earth, it IS for some ungodly reason a big media market), the money and the educational standards.

Picture it: the Pac 10 is looking to score a major tv network like what the Big 10 has. Their major hope was to get Texas and Oklahoma to build around (with USC), and to focus around three traditional powerhouse programs. When that fell through, they looked at media market size, money and education, which is why Colorado remained in the picture regardless of whether or not the Big 12 teams made the jump. You include Denver and Salt Lake City to a conference with media markets in LA, Phoenix, Portland, and Seattle..... I think you understand where I'm going with this.

These three things really crushed Boise's chances.

 

[tylerdolphin]

That's a joke. Yes, all they need to do is schedule harder teams--just like on the playstation!

Why they cant schedule better opponents isnt really important to this discussion. The fact of the matter is their schedule, for whatever reason, simply isnt up to par with a team from a major conference. Boise is a very good team, but its really not fair to other teams to penalize them for playing real games all year.

 

[chrisbaucom]

it's the truth rafiki.....worked for the canes and noles. They weren't kidding themselves, they didn't expect home and homes or ridiculous amounts of money to go play teams, they just showed up and beat them.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

A lot of these undefeated teams are going to play each other and cancel each other out....

TCU and Utah are going to play... the loser is out of the national title picture all together...

Nebraska and Oklahoma will play in the Big-12 title game... if both are still undefeated when they meet, the loser is out...period.

The SEC teams are going to continue knocking each other off... LSU and Auburn still have to play each other, and BOTH still have to play Alabama...

Michigan St. and Ohio St. DO NOT play each other...


Ohio St., Boise St, and Oregon have the easiest paths to remain undefeated.... NONE play a conference championship game... a 1 loss SEC team could still very easily end up in the national championship game.. and deservedly so...

 

[Ricky'sWeinerBong]

or they stop using computers to determine these things and let the teams play one another. never will happen. as a poster above mentioned, college ball is really more about money than determining which team truly is the best.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

or they stop using computers to determine these things and let the teams play one another. never will happen. as a poster above mentioned, college ball is really more about money than determining which team truly is the best.

No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

 

[Rafiki]

Why they cant schedule better opponents isnt really important to this discussion. The fact of the matter is their schedule, for whatever reason, simply isnt up to par with a team from a major conference. Boise is a very good team, but its really not fair to other teams to penalize them for playing real games all year.

So what's the point of the BCS in Division 1 football if all the teams don't have a legitimate chance to get to the championship? It really seems like pundits, coaches, know-it-alls and hacks put a goal up there- they say win all your games. Okay they'll do that. They say, no championship but BCS bowl and prove yourself and maybe later. Okay, they did that twice.

Now they say, regardless of past accomplishments, past records, past BCS wins, the fact that 21 out of 22 starters return from the Fiesta Bowl team that shut down TCU, etc, it'll never be good enough. Too bad, kid. Maybe you should join a AQ conference! Yeah, great idea...

This is the reality of the BCS system. It's completely outrageous. Imagine a professional sports league that had teams which would structurally never have a chance of a championship. It would be shut down IMMEDIATELY.

 

[Rafiki]

No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

How about this: Instead of disbanding the BCS, we take OOC scheduling completely out of the hands of the schools. Instead we have a rotating schedule like the NFL where one season one conference plays another and then rotate from there. Florida would be forced to leave the state to play OOC. Alabama would have to travel to UTEP. Boise would have to travel to Ohio State, etc. Wouldn't that be more fair?

And in a playoff system two SEC teams would never make it. They'd knock eachother out in regional play.

 

[Mako]

No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

Ted, as is now, let's be honest.. Do the two best teams always wind up playing for the National Title under the current system?

If so, Alabama and Florida SHOULD have played last year, with apologies to Texas. Should Oklahoma have got the nod over Texas for the title game two years ago after losing to the Longhorns? Should Nebraska have made the National Title game in 2001 after losing by 26 to Colorado in November, and after not even making the Big 12 title game?

The whole system is flawed. If there is a playoff system and two SEC squads wind up playing for the National Title, I'd have zero complaints.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

How about this: Instead of disbanding the BCS, we take OOC scheduling completely out of the hands of the schools. Instead we have a rotating schedule like the NFL where one season one conference plays another and then rotate from there. Florida would be forced to leave the state to play OOC. Alabama would have to travel to UTEP. Boise would have to travel to Ohio State, etc. Wouldn't that be more fair?

And in a playoff system two SEC teams would never make it. They'd knock eachother out in regional play.

I'd actually be more in favor to just go ahead and disband the BCS....


However, I agree with the THEORY behind your proposal here, it balances things out much more than they are now in terms of the route teams would have to take for the right to play for the title... but only if OOC scheduling is taken out of the hands of the schools and run by the conference commissioners... Otherwise, you still have the same BCS problems reguarding who gets invited to which bowl games (particularly BCS bowls)...

ALL conferences should be required to play conference championship games IMO.... if they refuse, those conferences should be ineligible to play for the national championship. Send them to one of the irrelevant BCS bowls instead...

You MUST decide a conference champion ON the field of play.... that should be first and foremost.



The only way two SEC teams couldn't play each other for the title would be if you structured it that way to begin with.... what's to say that there would be regional elimination to begin with?

The playoff structure and format should be based on seeding, not region.... otherwise, it still just boils down to two SEC teams beating each other up and knocking the other one out of a chance to play for the national championship... we'd just be back where we're at right now.

It doesn't do the SEC any favors, it only benefits the weaker conferences by letting the SEC eliminate each other rather than one of the other conferences having to do it.

 

[HurriPhin]

I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system...

Nothing to complain about. I can't wait. Until then though, crowning a NCAA champion is crap.