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Draft Network 7 Round Miami Mock
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That's right. First thing is you cannot lie. You have to be able to tell the truth.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
I’ll give LargoFin this, he sticks to his convictions no matter how messed up they are. 
I’ll give LargoFin this, he sticks to his convictions no matter how messed up they are.
It's about facts. It's as simple as just admitting yes or no. Gotta be able to do that first. If you are lying and inventing stuff, it's no good. You can do that here, you can do that in the Dolphins facility because they are idiots, but not at work, not in real life.
People here can not admit to simple fact. Unwilling to admit simple fact.
Did this quarterback throw a rope, from the pocket, a low trajectory ball traveling 42 yards from far hash to the sideline? It is as simple as admitting that. But people cannot do it. They think it's an opinion, they want to make it into their opinion. They want to talk about whether that can be done in the NFL, they want to project their wants into facts.
It is a low trajectory ball, thrown from the pocket, from 33 yards out from sideline, down 27 yards, which is a hypotenuse of 42 yards, on a rope.
Yes or no? And they cannot do it, they cannot admit facts. That's the problem.
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Good on ya man, although I don’t agree with most of anything you post, you seem like a decent dude. Hate the posts not the person.
I certainly understand the value of measurables; Jay Cutler could really zip the ball from hash to hash when he came out. Jay Cutler was a big bodied QB(6 3 231). But there is more to it than those exact measurables. There is reading defenses, progressions, leadership, etc. Not always a measurable. Which we all observed last year. (And what is the definition of "Zipping" a ball? What is the required MPH for a throw to be a "zip" versus the MPH of a throw that is not a "zip"?)
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The moron that made those picks is probably a jets fan. LMAO.
First you need to admit some things before we can talk about anything else.
As far as MPH, that is velocity. You know what velocity is? Distance per time, miles per hour. You know what the shortest distance is between two points? It's low trajectory.
You know what good velocity is? It is long distance, low trajectory.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
What does he need to admit?
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Being a physics teacher.....the shortest distance between two points is pretty useless if the low trajectory has a defender between the two points.
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no one from college is guaranteed to go far in the NFL. Keyword: Guaranteed. As others have stated, guys like Tim Couch had NFL QB frame and he didn't do all that well in the NFL. Russell Wilson does not have prototype frame, and is good. NFL Draft is like poker, you just gotta get lucky.
You want to get ahead with conversation and start evaluating. That is a different subject -- whether they make good decisions. That comes after. Right now we are just talking about arm, frame, whether they can sling it, whether they play from pocket.
Just this, for now.
Do they have a big arm and can zip the ball from far hash, do we have that on film with good frequency?
Do they have quick release?
Do they operate from the pocket?
Are they young, under 24 on draft day?
Can we first agree that they are young prototypical big frame, big arm quarterbacks who operate from the pocket.
Here is an example:
This QB has no problem throwing 35 yards (10 yard out in college plus 5 yard drop from far hash) low trajectory passes to the left or to the right. Here are the facts. It is on film, he has done it.
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This QB has a quick release, arm is tight to the body and the release is a short motion.
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This QB is big framed and prototypical, 6-4.5. 230.
This QB is not too old, 23 on draft day.
First we need to agree to that., young prototypical big frame, big quick arm quarterbacks who operate from the pocket.
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Accuracy is by far the most important attribute a QB needs to have. Josh Allen can zip the ball better then anyone, the problem is knowing where it will end up. Most of the time, it is anyone guess. If a QB cannot throw with confidence to a specific point on a consistent basis, then how strong his arm is matters very little.
Next I would focus on how well they work in the pocket...can they make subtle movements to avoid pressure and to find passing lanes?
Then I would look at how well they work the field, can they manipulate a DB with their eyes, how often do they lock on to a WR or can they move through their progressions.
Finally, can they create on their own? What happens when the play doesn't workout just right? Are they able to improvise?
Watson and Mahomes are the two most recent drafted QBs who fit this better then anyone. Riddle me confused how a fella like Tribusky was drafted ahead of both these guys, but 5 years from now...the bears will be looking to replace the guy they drafted, while the other two will be sitting on fat contracts with multiple playoff appearances.
This year there in only one player who truly fits what you should look for in a QB...that is Murray. Next year, Tua fits it perfectly and Fromm is there as well. I do like Haskins, as he is very accurate, and throws one of the most catch-able balls in college, but he does struggle in the pocket and creating on his own.
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You aren't going to get me to disagree with quarterbacks who are NFL young, big framed, pocket passers with big arms are typically more desirable than ones who aren't. And those are the qualities I would prefer in a quarterback....it is much easier to succeed as a true pocket passer than not. But I don't know what your point is.....you've given four things that all things being equal, are of course desirable. But if it was just about checking boxes, then Mason Rudolph wouldn't have been a third round pick. Thirty two teams passed on at least twice and half did a third time. And it wasn't like he fell in the draft....that was about where he was expected to go.
All of those boxes you checked for Mason Rudolph are the same basic ones that you could have checked for Nate Sudfeld....and he was a seventh round pick. (who BTW, I thought was supremely underdrafted and should have been taken much earlier)