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I'm new to the forums and I've been a dolphan since 1982.
Reading some of the threads about how terrible our oline was last year made me wonder if this was blown out of proportion a bit. Some here believe QB play is almost solely determined on pass protection and I've seen some mention Fielder was under constant pressure and that other QB's wouldn't have done better in the same circumstance. I don't believe that at all.
I'll preface this by saying I live in the NJ/NY area so I normally see 8-10 Dolphins games a year between our games w/ the Jets, MNF, and Sunday NF along with the occasional Dolphin game when the Jets or Giants aren't playing on Sunday. This allows me to get a good look at a lot of teams each year..
From what I saw last year, I felt the Dolphins were terrible in run blocking but adequate in pass block and certainly the worst Dolphin oline of the Wannstadt regime. So I said lets see how the 03 Dolphins faired in comparison to the rest of the NFL when it comes to pass protection. The following is a ranking of olines by sacks per passing attempt along with the teams overall QBR. Some of the following may shock you :cooldude: :
1 DET - 588 a / 11 s (1 sack per 53.45 pa) QBR 61.1
2 IND - 569 a / 19 s (1 sack per 29.94 pa) QBR 99
3 KC - 536 a / 20 s (1 sack per 26.8 pa) QBR 92.4
4 TB - 592 a / 23 s (1 sack per 25.73 pa) QBR 81.5
5 GB - 473 a / 19 s (1 sack per 24.89 pa) QBR 90.5
6 TEN - 502 a / 25 s (1 sack per 20.08 pa) QBR 100.3
7 DEN - 477 a / 25 s (1 sack per 19.08 pa) QBR 75.6
8 JAC - 515 a / 28 s (1 sack per 18.39 pa) QBR 76
9 SF - 511 a / 28 s (1 sack per 18.25 pa) QBR 84
10 SD - 525 a / 29 s (1 sack per 18.10 pa) QBR 73.1
11 CAR - 459 a / 26 s (1 sack per 17.65 pa) QBR 79.6
12 NE - 537 a / 32 s (1 sack per 16.78 pa) QBR 84.3
13 NYJ - 496 a / 31 s (1 sack per 16 pa) QBR 85.8
14 NO - 535 a / 36 s (1 sack per 14.86 pa) QBR 88.7
15 MIA - 450 a / 31 s (1 sack per 14.51 pa) QBR 72.5
*J.F. - 314 a / 19 s (1 sack per 16.52 pa) QBR 72.4
*B.G. - 130 a / 12 s (1 sack per 10.83 pa) QBR 69.2
16 CIN - 520 a / 37 s (1 sack per 14.05 pa) QBR 87.4
17 NYG - 616 a / 44 s (1 sack per 14 pa) QBR 68.4
18 STL - 600 a / 43 s (1 sack per 13.95 pa) QBR 81
19 ATL - 457 a / 33 s (1 sack per 13.84 pa) QBR 58.7
*M.V. - 100 a / 9 s (1 sack per 11.11 pa) QBR 69 - 2003
*M.V. - 421 a / 33 s (1 sack per 12.75 pa) QBR 81.6 - 2002
20 DAL - 507 a / 37 s (1 sack per 13.70 pa) QBR 71.4
21 PIT - 532 a / 42 s (1 sack per 12.66 pa) QBR 76.4
22 CLE - 505 a / 40 s (1 sack per 12.62 pa) QBR 75.2
23 MIN - 520 a / 42 s (1 sack per 12.27 pa) QBR 99
24 WAS - 569 a / 19 s (1 sack per 29.94 pa) QBR 73.3
25 HOU - 439 a / 36 s (1 sack per 12.19 pa) QBR 69.7
26 AZ - 533 a / 44 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 68.9
27 OAK - 521 a / 43 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 65
28 SEA - 521 a / 43 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 88.2
29 CHI - 515 a / 43 s (1 sack per 11.97 pa) QBR 61
30 PHI - 484 a / 43 s (1 sack per 11.25 pa) QBR 80.5
31 BAL - 415 a / 42 s (1 sack per 9.88 pa) QBR 64.7
32 BUF - 483 a / 50 s (1 sack per 9.66 pa) QBR 69.4
As you can see, I took the liberty to highlight some notables. Detroit #1 in pass protection by almost double the ratio of any other team: amazing. And to think it didn't help out their QB play one bit. Some say Jay F eludes the rush and makes our oline look better. But JF is not a scrambling QB on par with Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper or Aaron Brooks, all of whom had worst sack ratios. JF sack ratio is on par with Tom Brady's. Now Brady doesn't run as much as JF but he eludes the rush better than most in the pocket by taking a few steps to buy some time and finding an open target. Ask any NE fan and they'll probably agree. So how much better was NE's pass protection during the regular season compared to ours?
There were a lot of effective pass offenses in the league w/ sack ratios worst that Miami's and particularly JF's. Notables: PHI-30, SEA -28, MIN-23, STL-18.
5 of the 12 playoff teams have sack ratios worst than the Dolphins.
Now you can say the Dolphins receivers suck. But Chambers is an excellent receiver, McMichael is a very good pass catching tight end, and both McKnight & D. Thompson had season in the 700 -900 yards receiving range with other teams. My conclusion is that JF is leaving plays on the field that most QB would connect on.
I was watching the Monday night Buffalo game from 2003 last night (17-7 W).
You can chalk this game up as a win for JF as that's what it was. But the game encapsulates all that is wrong with JF and our overall QB play. It's the 3rd quarter, the score is 7-0 and J already has an int in scoring position in the first half. JF literally hasn't been touched the whole game. Ricky has run the ball about 20 times for 50+ yards against a punishing Buffalo D. JF play actions, no one is near him as Buffalo is playing the run all the way, and JF overthows a streaking Chambers down the middle of the field for a definite touchdown as Chambers has Antoine Winfield beat by 5 yards. The score would have been 14-0 in a game in which Buffalo couldn't score.
Fourth quarter 10-0 and JF throws an interception on a flea flicker? Luckily it was ruled incomplete (even though it should have been complete). The next play, he throws off his back foot in the face of a blitz and Nate Clements takes it for 6. Now the score is 10-7 in the 4th and we are killing RW by running him into Buffalo's D. Now it looked like it bothered the Bills more but I believe RW was different for the rest of the year after those 42 punishing carries. I personally believe we could have saved him the punishment if our QB could play pitch and catch in a game where RW was the obvious focus of the Buf D and I believe the rest of the league used that game as a blueprint on how to defend us.
In conclusion, I would like to say that JF is not an adequate QB. There are things he does well, i.e., designed rollouts to the right (he's very accurate on these plays), quick slants, passes in the flat, and QB draws; pretty much plays which don't require him to go through his progressions. Everything else required of the QB position he can't do physically on a consistent basis. We cannot continue to blame his inadequate physical skills on poor protection. Miami ranked 15th in pass protection overall last year (including the sack rate of the human statue BG) and JF personally ranked on par with NE & Tom Brady in terms of sack per pass attempt. We can all agree that last year was the worst Dolphan oline of the Wannstadt regime and we were still above average. :eek:
If somehow JF is our QB this year, I will continue to root for his success and the Dolphans success. But we must realize our offense will be limited and may eventually cost us in our run towards the playoffs & superbowl. We will only be efficient at the things he does well, while being wildly inconsistent when it come to making the necessary plays a QB must make with his arm and accuracy.
I don't hate JF but we as Dolphans deserve better from the QB position. I love his toughness, but we don't need him to be a linebacker; we need a QB who can make plays with their arm. I wonder if any other team has an unequivocal starter for the past four years who isn't a "franchise" QB or who has an overall QB rating as bad as JF.:shakeno: Maybe someone can look it up. It is officially time to move on Dolphans. Peace.
Reading some of the threads about how terrible our oline was last year made me wonder if this was blown out of proportion a bit. Some here believe QB play is almost solely determined on pass protection and I've seen some mention Fielder was under constant pressure and that other QB's wouldn't have done better in the same circumstance. I don't believe that at all.
I'll preface this by saying I live in the NJ/NY area so I normally see 8-10 Dolphins games a year between our games w/ the Jets, MNF, and Sunday NF along with the occasional Dolphin game when the Jets or Giants aren't playing on Sunday. This allows me to get a good look at a lot of teams each year..
From what I saw last year, I felt the Dolphins were terrible in run blocking but adequate in pass block and certainly the worst Dolphin oline of the Wannstadt regime. So I said lets see how the 03 Dolphins faired in comparison to the rest of the NFL when it comes to pass protection. The following is a ranking of olines by sacks per passing attempt along with the teams overall QBR. Some of the following may shock you :cooldude: :
1 DET - 588 a / 11 s (1 sack per 53.45 pa) QBR 61.1
2 IND - 569 a / 19 s (1 sack per 29.94 pa) QBR 99
3 KC - 536 a / 20 s (1 sack per 26.8 pa) QBR 92.4
4 TB - 592 a / 23 s (1 sack per 25.73 pa) QBR 81.5
5 GB - 473 a / 19 s (1 sack per 24.89 pa) QBR 90.5
6 TEN - 502 a / 25 s (1 sack per 20.08 pa) QBR 100.3
7 DEN - 477 a / 25 s (1 sack per 19.08 pa) QBR 75.6
8 JAC - 515 a / 28 s (1 sack per 18.39 pa) QBR 76
9 SF - 511 a / 28 s (1 sack per 18.25 pa) QBR 84
10 SD - 525 a / 29 s (1 sack per 18.10 pa) QBR 73.1
11 CAR - 459 a / 26 s (1 sack per 17.65 pa) QBR 79.6
12 NE - 537 a / 32 s (1 sack per 16.78 pa) QBR 84.3
13 NYJ - 496 a / 31 s (1 sack per 16 pa) QBR 85.8
14 NO - 535 a / 36 s (1 sack per 14.86 pa) QBR 88.7
15 MIA - 450 a / 31 s (1 sack per 14.51 pa) QBR 72.5
*J.F. - 314 a / 19 s (1 sack per 16.52 pa) QBR 72.4
*B.G. - 130 a / 12 s (1 sack per 10.83 pa) QBR 69.2
16 CIN - 520 a / 37 s (1 sack per 14.05 pa) QBR 87.4
17 NYG - 616 a / 44 s (1 sack per 14 pa) QBR 68.4
18 STL - 600 a / 43 s (1 sack per 13.95 pa) QBR 81
19 ATL - 457 a / 33 s (1 sack per 13.84 pa) QBR 58.7
*M.V. - 100 a / 9 s (1 sack per 11.11 pa) QBR 69 - 2003
*M.V. - 421 a / 33 s (1 sack per 12.75 pa) QBR 81.6 - 2002
20 DAL - 507 a / 37 s (1 sack per 13.70 pa) QBR 71.4
21 PIT - 532 a / 42 s (1 sack per 12.66 pa) QBR 76.4
22 CLE - 505 a / 40 s (1 sack per 12.62 pa) QBR 75.2
23 MIN - 520 a / 42 s (1 sack per 12.27 pa) QBR 99
24 WAS - 569 a / 19 s (1 sack per 29.94 pa) QBR 73.3
25 HOU - 439 a / 36 s (1 sack per 12.19 pa) QBR 69.7
26 AZ - 533 a / 44 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 68.9
27 OAK - 521 a / 43 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 65
28 SEA - 521 a / 43 s (1 sack per 12.11 pa) QBR 88.2
29 CHI - 515 a / 43 s (1 sack per 11.97 pa) QBR 61
30 PHI - 484 a / 43 s (1 sack per 11.25 pa) QBR 80.5
31 BAL - 415 a / 42 s (1 sack per 9.88 pa) QBR 64.7
32 BUF - 483 a / 50 s (1 sack per 9.66 pa) QBR 69.4
As you can see, I took the liberty to highlight some notables. Detroit #1 in pass protection by almost double the ratio of any other team: amazing. And to think it didn't help out their QB play one bit. Some say Jay F eludes the rush and makes our oline look better. But JF is not a scrambling QB on par with Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper or Aaron Brooks, all of whom had worst sack ratios. JF sack ratio is on par with Tom Brady's. Now Brady doesn't run as much as JF but he eludes the rush better than most in the pocket by taking a few steps to buy some time and finding an open target. Ask any NE fan and they'll probably agree. So how much better was NE's pass protection during the regular season compared to ours?
There were a lot of effective pass offenses in the league w/ sack ratios worst that Miami's and particularly JF's. Notables: PHI-30, SEA -28, MIN-23, STL-18.
5 of the 12 playoff teams have sack ratios worst than the Dolphins.
Now you can say the Dolphins receivers suck. But Chambers is an excellent receiver, McMichael is a very good pass catching tight end, and both McKnight & D. Thompson had season in the 700 -900 yards receiving range with other teams. My conclusion is that JF is leaving plays on the field that most QB would connect on.
I was watching the Monday night Buffalo game from 2003 last night (17-7 W).
You can chalk this game up as a win for JF as that's what it was. But the game encapsulates all that is wrong with JF and our overall QB play. It's the 3rd quarter, the score is 7-0 and J already has an int in scoring position in the first half. JF literally hasn't been touched the whole game. Ricky has run the ball about 20 times for 50+ yards against a punishing Buffalo D. JF play actions, no one is near him as Buffalo is playing the run all the way, and JF overthows a streaking Chambers down the middle of the field for a definite touchdown as Chambers has Antoine Winfield beat by 5 yards. The score would have been 14-0 in a game in which Buffalo couldn't score.
Fourth quarter 10-0 and JF throws an interception on a flea flicker? Luckily it was ruled incomplete (even though it should have been complete). The next play, he throws off his back foot in the face of a blitz and Nate Clements takes it for 6. Now the score is 10-7 in the 4th and we are killing RW by running him into Buffalo's D. Now it looked like it bothered the Bills more but I believe RW was different for the rest of the year after those 42 punishing carries. I personally believe we could have saved him the punishment if our QB could play pitch and catch in a game where RW was the obvious focus of the Buf D and I believe the rest of the league used that game as a blueprint on how to defend us.
In conclusion, I would like to say that JF is not an adequate QB. There are things he does well, i.e., designed rollouts to the right (he's very accurate on these plays), quick slants, passes in the flat, and QB draws; pretty much plays which don't require him to go through his progressions. Everything else required of the QB position he can't do physically on a consistent basis. We cannot continue to blame his inadequate physical skills on poor protection. Miami ranked 15th in pass protection overall last year (including the sack rate of the human statue BG) and JF personally ranked on par with NE & Tom Brady in terms of sack per pass attempt. We can all agree that last year was the worst Dolphan oline of the Wannstadt regime and we were still above average. :eek:
If somehow JF is our QB this year, I will continue to root for his success and the Dolphans success. But we must realize our offense will be limited and may eventually cost us in our run towards the playoffs & superbowl. We will only be efficient at the things he does well, while being wildly inconsistent when it come to making the necessary plays a QB must make with his arm and accuracy.
I don't hate JF but we as Dolphans deserve better from the QB position. I love his toughness, but we don't need him to be a linebacker; we need a QB who can make plays with their arm. I wonder if any other team has an unequivocal starter for the past four years who isn't a "franchise" QB or who has an overall QB rating as bad as JF.:shakeno: Maybe someone can look it up. It is officially time to move on Dolphans. Peace.