10 names in the next 10 picks you want...

[j-off-her-doll]

The common threads between the players we've drafted:

Particular physical gifts - Tannehill's mobility, Martin's feet, Vernon's first step, Egnew's overall athleticism.

Need for development - Tannehill's inexperience, Martin's lack of strength and overall soft body, Vernon's performance not matching his physical gifts, Egnew's soft play.

Working cogs in the systems we want to implement - Tannehill's pocket presence and athleticism fit what Philbin wants out of a QB in his system; Martin's feet and experience in a ZBS; Vernon has the talent to be one of the better pass rushers in the draft (if developed), and Philbin went on about relative QBR (Our QB vs. Their QB); and Egnew fits that J. Finley mold.

There are players we passed on that I would have preferred - especially in the 2nd. But this is a staff that believes in their ability to develop players, and they drafted players that make sense for what we want to do. I would give Strong grades to the Tannehill and Egnew picks and Moderate grades to the Martin and Vernon picks. No outright weak picks.

 

[dolfan91]

Jones, McNutt, Givens, Criner in the 4th

 

[hoops]

here's my take on today...

the martin pick i understand that he's a high end talent and that a year from now he probably would have been a top 15 pick tackle at least and that he will fit the zbs we want to run but if he's coming here to play right tackle from the jump he lacks strength for this level...he needs to get in a weight room asap...he's got great tools though but has issues against speed and strength...personally if i'm miami i would have gone elsewhere there and plucked bobbie massie had he been sitting there in the 3rd...

the vernon pick might have been a little high but he was one of the few remaining prospects with high end rush tools...when i watched this kid i swear i saw a lot of cam wake...doesn't have the same strength as wake at this point has similar hips though and he can bend and run the arc and when he turns the corner he can flatten out pretty good...i like the upside of this pick i think his best football is in front of him...not sure though if he has the same ankle flexion and balance as wake but i see a similar like upside...one more thing early on this is a rush specialist only...cause he cannot hold up against the run at this point...this is a pass rush package player til he develops

michael egnew i know what he's here to be...our flexed out guy in packages...he can't play in line can't block a lick imo was more explosive and showed separation skills when he was a 235 lb guy before his senior season...the guy i saw at the senior bowl at 251 looked bloated and couldn't separate all week against coverage...i'd tell him to drop 5-10 lbs and get some of that burst back personally...cause like i said no matter what guy isn't gonna block a paper bag...flex him out and let him take advantage of mismatches with his speed etc...

 

[j-off-her-doll]

here's my take on today...

the martin pick i understand that he's a high end talent and that a year from now he probably would have been a top 15 pick tackle at least and that he will fit the zbs we want to run but if he's coming here to play right tackle from the jump he lacks strength for this level...he needs to get in a weight room asap...he's got great tools though but has issues against speed and strength...personally if i'm miami i would have gone elsewhere there and plucked bobbie massie had he been sitting there in the 3rd...

the vernon pick might have been a little high but he was one of the few remaining prospects with high end rush tools...when i watched this kid i swear i saw a lot of cam wake...doesn't have the same strength as wake at this point has similar hips though and he can bend and run the arc and when he turns the corner he can flatten out pretty good...i like the upside of this pick i think his best football is in front of him...not sure though if he has the same ankle flexion and balance as wake but i see a similar like upside...one more thing early on this is a rush specialist only...cause he cannot hold up against the run at this point...this is a pass rush package player til he develops

michael egnew i know what he's here to be...our flexed out guy in packages...he can't play in line can't block a lick imo was more explosive and showed separation skills when he was a 235 lb guy before his senior season...the guy i saw at the senior bowl at 251 looked bloated and couldn't separate all week against coverage...i'd tell him to drop 5-10 lbs and get some of that burst back personally...cause like i said no matter what guy isn't gonna block a paper bag...flex him out and let him take advantage of mismatches with his speed etc...

I think you can say this for every player we drafted. Basically, I think we have similar takes. I think I'm more optimistic because our new staff has shown the ability to really develop players.

 

[hoops]

I think you can say this for every player we drafted. Basically, I think we have similar takes. I think I'm more optimistic because our new staff has shown the ability to really develop players.

maybe...i'm not sure martin has fantastic left tackle feet but i guess he's here to play right tackle for now at least...my issue with him on the right side is you still gotta handle strength and he lacks it in the upper body imo...this is a kid you mold into a solid nfl tackle...imo though he should have stayed in school one more year come out stronger and locked up a top 15 pick

 

[PSU Cane]

here's my take on today...

the martin pick i understand that he's a high end talent and that a year from now he probably would have been a top 15 pick tackle at least and that he will fit the zbs we want to run but if he's coming here to play right tackle from the jump he lacks strength for this level...he needs to get in a weight room asap...he's got great tools though but has issues against speed and strength...personally if i'm miami i would have gone elsewhere there and plucked bobbie massie had he been sitting there in the 3rd...

the vernon pick might have been a little high but he was one of the few remaining prospects with high end rush tools...when i watched this kid i swear i saw a lot of cam wake...doesn't have the same strength as wake at this point has similar hips though and he can bend and run the arc and when he turns the corner he can flatten out pretty good...i like the upside of this pick i think his best football is in front of him...not sure though if he has the same ankle flexion and balance as wake but i see a similar like upside...one more thing early on this is a rush specialist only...cause he cannot hold up against the run at this point...this is a pass rush package player til he develops

michael egnew i know what he's here to be...our flexed out guy in packages...he can't play in line can't block a lick imo was more explosive and showed separation skills when he was a 235 lb guy before his senior season...the guy i saw at the senior bowl at 251 looked bloated and couldn't separate all week against coverage...i'd tell him to drop 5-10 lbs and get some of that burst back personally...cause like i said no matter what guy isn't gonna block a paper bag...flex him out and let him take advantage of mismatches with his speed etc...

Totally agree on Egnew. He can't block worth a lick. He also didn't show the separation in games that you would expect from a guy who ran the 4.6 at the combine. He needs to be flexed out to take advantage of his skillset. I think that's why i wasn't a big fan of the pick and why i had him rated as a 4th round guy....he's not that different than Charles Clay except for his size.

As for Vernon i agree as well. He was taken a round earlier than i expected but he was moving up the boards recently b/c of his potential. He has a nice first step and has the ability to run the arc but he lacks the strong base at this point to get under the tackle and complete the arc at the level of the QB (it could be the lower body flexion) so he doesn't use that move as much as he should. He needs some time to refine his pass rush moves but does show potential.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

maybe...i'm not sure martin has fantastic left tackle feet but i guess he's here to play right tackle for now at least...my issue with him on the right side is you still gotta handle strength and he lacks it in the upper body imo...this is a kid you mold into a solid nfl tackle...imo though he should have stayed in school one more year come out stronger and locked up a top 15 pick

I agree. You can look at him and see a guy who isn't a refined athlete. He's soft. But we're not doing anything this year anyway. We'll see how he looks in a year. If he looks like a top-15 tackle in a year, it'll have been a good pick.

 

[PSU Cane]

maybe...i'm not sure martin has fantastic left tackle feet but i guess he's here to play right tackle for now at least...my issue with him on the right side is you still gotta handle strength and he lacks it in the upper body imo...this is a kid you mold into a solid nfl tackle...imo though he should have stayed in school one more year come out stronger and locked up a top 15 pick

He lacks upper body strength but his legs/butt are big and he anchors extremely well against the bull rush. I think in another year with NFL coaching and weight training, the guy will be a very good player.

His biggest weakness is his drop step and set. He's just a bit slow and allows speed guys upfield to get the advantage on him. He shouldn't have that same problem on the right side to start but if he can improve that part of his game (and add a little upper body strength) i think he could play LT in the future.

 

[hoops]

Totally agree on Egnew. He can't block worth a lick. He also didn't show the separation in games that you would expect from a guy who ran the 4.6 at the combine. He needs to be flexed out to take advantage of his skillset. I think that's why i wasn't a big fan of the pick and why i had him rated as a 4th round guy....he's not that different than Charles Clay except for his size.

As for Vernon i agree as well. He was taken a round earlier than i expected but he was moving up the boards recently b/c of his potential. He has a nice first step and has the ability to run the arc but he lacks the strong base at this point to get under the tackle and complete the arc at the level of the QB (it could be the lower body flexion) so he doesn't use that move as much as he should. He needs some time to refine his pass rush moves but does show potential.

yeah i don't get why slimm and ck have been so high on egnew personally...he was a different player at 235...and if you aren't ever gonna block just like all those buttercup te's that come out of missou sherman and philbin should tell him to drop 8 lbs stop tryin to be something you are not and get your game back...

 

[hoops]

He lacks upper body strength but his legs/butt are big and he anchors extremely well against the bull rush. I think in another year with NFL coaching and weight training, the guy will be a very good player.

His biggest weakness is his drop step and set. He's just a bit slow and allows speed guys upfield to get the advantage on him. He shouldn't have that same problem on the right side to start but if he can improve that part of his game (and add a little upper body strength) i think he could play LT in the future.

well said...

 

[hoops]

I agree. You can look at him and see a guy who isn't a refined athlete. He's soft. But we're not doing anything this year anyway. We'll see how he looks in a year. If he looks like a top-15 tackle in a year, it'll have been a good pick.

that's a good point about an investment in the future...i had tunnel vision for 2012...i think massie is more plug and play and be ok right now but martin has more upside...higher ceiling...left tackle potential down the line also as psu says

 

[fininpsl]

that's a good point about an investment in the future...i had tunnel vision for 2012...i think massie is more plug and play and be ok right now but martin has more upside...higher ceiling...left tackle potential down the line also as psu says

This whole draft has been about the future. It's not like we were going to win the superbowl in 2012 no matter what we did. If Martin is a top 15 talent a yr later, then we got a steal. Same with Vernon. It's a riskier route, so i hope our coaching is going to be as good as everybody is saying.

 

[silver McNibblets]

here's my take on today...

the martin pick i understand that he's a high end talent and that a year from now he probably would have been a top 15 pick tackle at least and that he will fit the zbs we want to run but if he's coming here to play right tackle from the jump he lacks strength for this level...he needs to get in a weight room asap...he's got great tools though but has issues against speed and strength...personally if i'm miami i would have gone elsewhere there and plucked bobbie massie had he been sitting there in the 3rd...

the vernon pick might have been a little high but he was one of the few remaining prospects with high end rush tools...when i watched this kid i swear i saw a lot of cam wake...doesn't have the same strength as wake at this point has similar hips though and he can bend and run the arc and when he turns the corner he can flatten out pretty good...i like the upside of this pick i think his best football is in front of him...not sure though if he has the same ankle flexion and balance as wake but i see a similar like upside...one more thing early on this is a rush specialist only...cause he cannot hold up against the run at this point...this is a pass rush package player til he develops

michael egnew i know what he's here to be...our flexed out guy in packages...he can't play in line can't block a lick imo was more explosive and showed separation skills when he was a 235 lb guy before his senior season...the guy i saw at the senior bowl at 251 looked bloated and couldn't separate all week against coverage...i'd tell him to drop 5-10 lbs and get some of that burst back personally...cause like i said no matter what guy isn't gonna block a paper bag...flex him out and let him take advantage of mismatches with his speed etc...

Nice analysis. I liked the Martin pick, there is good value there for sure. However I agree that maybe we could have gone with WR (Hill) and then taken Massie a bit later on.

The Egnew pick I felt was a slight reach but he is a big seam threat.

Overall, I thought we nice a nice job today.

 

[PSU Cane]

that's a good point about an investment in the future...i had tunnel vision for 2012...i think massie is more plug and play and be ok right now but martin has more upside...higher ceiling...left tackle potential down the line also as psu says

Massie is probably the best run blocking tackle in the draft....a pure beast. But i saw him struggle at times in pass protection, which might be why he was kept at RT instead of moved to the left side where Bradley Sowell played (who was hot and cold all year). I don't think Massie has the feet to play LT, which lowers his value. He's a little slow and very choppy in his drop steps, causing him to get off balanced. I still expected him to be picked by now though, even if it was to play guard.

 

[hoops]

Massie is probably the best run blocking tackle in the draft....a pure beast. But i saw him struggle at times in pass protection, which might be why he was kept at RT instead of moved to the left side where Bradley Sowell played (who was hot and cold all year). I don't think Massie has the feet to play LT, which lowers his value. He's a little slow and very choppy in his drop steps, causing him to get off balanced. I still expected him to be picked by now though, even if it was to play guard.

i don't think he has left tackle feet either but i wasn't looking for a left tackle...i was looking right side...and i think he can man that...don't really project him inside personally and i guess if nfl teams look at you as a right tackle only as mayock says you better be a damn good one...i think his lack of versatility hurts his stock but shwartz got drafted early round 2 probably off his solid senior bowl week and that guy can only play right tackle...

you project massie as a guard??? not me