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[ckparrothead]

So Feeley has outperformed Gus Frerotte through the preseason, huh? It's funny how one good game for Feeley brings out the best exaggerations in people. Let me take you through their performances, and then we'll summarize things nicely for you. Below I have account of both QBs' performances, as well as how many drives they led, how many offensive non-quarterback penalties they had to deal with, how many touchdown drives they led and how many field goal drives they led.


Gus Frerotte:
11/17, 143, 1td, 0int......3 drives, 2 penalties, 1 TD drive, 1 FG drive
6/14, 51, 0td, 0int.......4 drives, 2 penalties, 0 TD drive, 1 FG drive
7/18, 87, 0td, 0int.......7 drives, 2 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
9/25, 103, 0td, 1int........8 drives, 3 penalties, 1 TD drive, 0 FG drive


A.J. Feeley:
4/7, 35, 0td, 0int.......3 drives, 0 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
6/13, 60, 0td, 1int........6 drives, 0 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
16/20, 90, 0td, 0int.......5 drives, 1 penalty, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
8/14, 90, 1td, 0int........5 drives, 3 penalties, 1 TD drive, 1 FG drive


And so, to summarize.

Frerotte went a total of 33 of 74, 384 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT for a QB rating of 59.74 which is uninspiring to say the least. He had to deal with 9 offensive penalties ranging from false starts to holding to illegal formation etc, and he led the dolphins on 2 TD drives and 2 FG drives (20 points) in a total of 22 offensive drives, 20 of them against the other team's first string defense. Not very stellar.

Feeley went a total of 34 of 54, 275 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a QB rating of 74.2, which is much more respectable. He dealt with a total of 4 offensive penalties, but only led the Dolphins on 1 TD drive, and 1 FG drive (10 points) in a total of 19 drives, only 3 of which came against the first string defense.

Saban was right. Whoever went against the 2nd string defense has come out with the better stats. So, that means that they go with the guy who has shown the most in practice and has gotten the most loyalty from the offensive players. That is, without a doubt, hands down Gus Frerotte.

I mean seriously, AJ Feeley hadn't led the offense on a SINGLE scoring drive before tonight, and tonight he scored those 10 points against the Bucs' second and third string defenses. Do you know what players were in the Bucs' secondary when AJ scored all 10 of his points? Lets see, Ronyell Whitaker, Kalvin Pearson, and Blue Adams. Anyone heard of any of them?

To me, the opening drive of the most meaningful preseason game of the entire preseason showed me which guy should be our starting quarterback, and which guys should be our starting offensive line.

 

[GRYPHONK]

danny farmer made the td happen. aj threw downfield 1.5 times last night. gunshy. and gus wants to overthrow everyone.

LOL That is quite interesting u say that.

Feeley made a perfect throw after Farmer made a good move.

Oh by the by, that play was an audible by Feeley and it was an audible designed to go to Farmer for that play.

So tell me again how that play was all Farmer, when he would have never had that attempt had Feeley not audibled to that play

 

[Dudeman]

So Feeley has outperformed Gus Frerotte through the preseason, huh? It's funny how one good game for Feeley brings out the best exaggerations in people. Let me take you through their performances, and then we'll summarize things nicely for you. Below I have account of both QBs' performances, as well as how many drives they led, how many offensive non-quarterback penalties they had to deal with, how many touchdown drives they led and how many field goal drives they led.


Gus Frerotte:
11/17, 143, 1td, 0int......3 drives, 2 penalties, 1 TD drive, 1 FG drive
6/14, 51, 0td, 0int.......4 drives, 2 penalties, 0 TD drive, 1 FG drive
7/18, 87, 0td, 0int.......7 drives, 2 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
9/25, 103, 0td, 1int........8 drives, 3 penalties, 1 TD drive, 0 FG drive


A.J. Feeley:
4/7, 35, 0td, 0int.......3 drives, 0 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
6/13, 60, 0td, 1int........6 drives, 0 penalties, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
16/20, 90, 0td, 0int.......5 drives, 1 penalty, 0 TD drive, 0 FG drive
8/14, 90, 1td, 0int........5 drives, 3 penalties, 1 TD drive, 1 FG drive


And so, to summarize.

Frerotte went a total of 33 of 74, 384 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT for a QB rating of 59.74 which is uninspiring to say the least. He had to deal with 9 offensive penalties ranging from false starts to holding to illegal formation etc, and he led the dolphins on 2 TD drives and 2 FG drives (20 points) in a total of 22 offensive drives, 20 of them against the other team's first string defense. Not very stellar.

Feeley went a total of 34 of 54, 275 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a QB rating of 74.2, which is much more respectable. He dealt with a total of 4 offensive penalties, but only led the Dolphins on 1 TD drive, and 1 FG drive (10 points) in a total of 19 drives, only 3 of which came against the first string defense.

Saban was right. Whoever went against the 2nd string defense has come out with the better stats. So, that means that they go with the guy who has shown the most in practice and has gotten the most loyalty from the offensive players. That is, without a doubt, hands down Gus Frerotte.

I mean seriously, AJ Feeley hadn't led the offense on a SINGLE scoring drive before tonight, and tonight he scored those 10 points against the Bucs' second and third string defenses. Do you know what players were in the Bucs' secondary when AJ scored all 10 of his points? Lets see, Ronyell Whitaker, Kalvin Pearson, and Blue Adams. Anyone heard of any of them?

To me, the opening drive of the most meaningful preseason game of the entire preseason showed me which guy should be our starting quarterback, and which guys should be our starting offensive line.

I've actually heard of Blue Adams, only because my roomate was a Jags fan

 

[ckparrothead]

Gryphonk, that may have been a great read by Feeley and a good move by Farmer, but going up against Ronyell Whitaker, Kalvin Pearson, and Blue Adams...I wouldn't exactly isolate that one touchdown pass for Feeley as the reason he should start.

I seriously doubt any of the DBs playing for Tampa when Feeley led that touchdown drive will make the team.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Gryphonk, that may have been a great read by Feeley and a good move by Farmer, but going up against Ronyell Whitaker, Kalvin Pearson, and Blue Adams...I wouldn't exactly isolate that one touchdown pass for Feeley as the reason he should start.

I seriously doubt any of the DBs playing for Tampa when Feeley led that touchdown drive will make the team.

Oh no you are absolutely right.

I am not saying that Feeley is hands down better. I have been saying for a while they both are equal in my eyes up till now.

What I was in response to was the guy saying that TD was all Farmer when in fact it was all Feeley that's all.

I just think Feeley has atleast earned a chance to start against Atlanta and show what he can do. That's all. I would like to see what he can do against 1st teamers.

He was 4/7 against Chicago and had Thompson caught that perfect pass we were in FG range and had plenty of momentum. So to me he was successful in his only stint as a starter this preseason.

 

[adamprez2003]

Even if you don't buy into AJ's performance due to whatever reason you choose, I think the way to evaluate who should start would be by taking Feeley's last six games last year and comparing them to what Gus has done this year. Can you honestly say that Gus looks better than the QB who went 3 and 3 and beat the Super BOWL Champs? That AJ, and I think think he's better this year, wins hands down over preseason bust Gus.

 

[ckparrothead]

It is dangerous to play the what-if game. Had Thompson caught that pass against Chicago yeah Feeley's stats would have looked better but what if Frerotte hadn't gotten victimized by the dropsies by Chambers, McMichael, and Booker both last night and against the Steelers.

There's no what-ifs in this game. To me I look at the fact that Feeley scored 10 points against the Bucs' third string defense while playing the full game rather than having Brock Berlin or Sage Rosenfels come in. Frerotte scored 10 points against the Bears' 2nd string defense, 3 points against the Jaguars 1st string defense, and 7 points against the Bucs' 1st string defense. Feeley has gone up against the Bears' first string defense, the Jags second string defense, and the Steelers second string defense, and came away with 0 points.

Feeley did not lead the offense on any scoring drives until he saw a third string defense come out on the field.

So my question to you is, why are you showing so much love for Feeley and not for Rosenfels or Berlin? Because what Feeley did last night is no more impressive than what they've done.

 

[ckparrothead]

Even if you don't buy into AJ's performance due to whatever reason you choose, I think the way to evaluate who should start would be by taking Feeley's last six games last year and comparing them to what Gus has done this year. Can you honestly say that Gus looks better than the QB who went 3 and 3 and beat the Super BOWL Champs? That AJ, and I think think he's better this year, wins hands down over preseason bust Gus.

Because then in order to be fair you have to compare what Feeley did in those games to what Frerotte did in his games with the Vikings.

DIFFERENT TEAMS. DIFFERENT OFFENSES. Comparing apples to oranges.

 

[adamprez2003]

Because then in order to be fair you have to compare what Feeley did in those games to what Frerotte did in his games with the Vikings.

DIFFERENT TEAMS. DIFFERENT OFFENSES. Comparing apples to oranges.

No you wouldnt. I'll tell you why. Personnell. We need to find out who is the most effective with our personnell. Frerotte played with the Viking personnell last year, which quite frankly is like comparing a divison 1 school to a divison 3 school. Why you would evaluate Gus based soley on what he does here is you want to see if he can do anything with "our" personnell. Up to now, I have seen nothing. Feeley last year somehow managed a 3 and 3 record once he got up to speed with our personnell. Add the fact that he will actually have a running game and its not too much of a stretch to believe he will improve upon last year whereas Gus hasn't shown any ability with our personnell as of now. Maybe the potential is there for him to improve but the time for potential to show up is running out

 

[BennyVW]

Let me settle this...
A.J. had 2 solid (not great) games and 2 below average games
Ferrotte had 2 solid (not great) games and 2 below average games (I love copy and paste)

The offense has looked lethargic in 2 games, and alright in 2 games.

So basically---We are back at square one. And neither side has anything over the other one. GREAT!!!!

 

[Dudeman]

Can you honestly say that Gus looks better than the QB who went 3 and 3 and beat the Super BOWL Champs?

oh, come on now, thats not fair at all. Feeley beat the 4-12 Browns in Miami (if not for a missed Dawson FG, could've been a loss), and beat a terrible 2-14 49ers team. He didn't beat the Pats. The Pats beat themselves. That win was not all on AJ and you know it. If Brady doesn't throw 4 picks, the Pats win by at least 10. Feeley had nothing to do with those picks, and when he did make the play at the end, he threw it to a 6'3 receiver over a 5'10 receiver playing corner. I realize that you see him as being a world beater because of that game, but thats so far from the truth.

Feeley played well last night with what he was given, but stop looking to last year and trying to make him seem better than he really was.

 

[jaxdolfan]

true, he was playing against 2nd stringers, behind a second string line, throwing to second string WRs. Looking tiwce as good as Gus.

:shakeno:

Ahem. We have 2 second string olines on this team! So whomever is playing with the first team gets the better RB, but has a crappy Oline, WR that are playing relaxed and are going against a top defense.

The second stringer has a second string oline, against a second string defense, with second string RB, but with WR whom are playing their hearts out.

 

[adamprez2003]

oh, come on now, thats not fair at all. Feeley beat the 4-12 Browns in Miami (if not for a missed Dawson FG, could've been a loss), and beat a terrible 2-14 49ers team. He didn't beat the Pats. The Pats beat themselves. That win was not all on AJ and you know it. If Brady doesn't throw 4 picks, the Pats win by at least 10. Feeley had nothing to do with those picks, and when he did make the play at the end, he threw it to a 6'3 receiver over a 5'10 receiver playing corner. I realize that you see him as being a world beater because of that game, but thats so far from the truth.

Feeley played well last night with what he was given, but stop looking to last year and trying to make him seem better than he really was.

Perhaps AJ shouldve apologized to the Patriots after the game.
" Sorry guys. I know I didnt deserve this win. I'm sorry for picking on your defense and exploiting mismatches. You guys are great and I am just a worm who has no business trying to beat such a great team. I wanted to thank you for laying down and losing against us. It means alot to my mother."

 

[jlfin]

I'll get this out of the way since it's going to be posted anyway, "He was playing against 2nd stringers" -- Don't get me wrong, I think he did well, it's just that it's inevitable that somebody is going to post that.

That's true, however, if I recall the Feeley bashers were calling for his release 2 weeks ago. Reasoning that Rosenfels and Berlin were as good or better, since their stats were better against 3rd and 4th stringers.

 

[jlfin]

Ahem. We have 2 second string olines on this team! So whomever is playing with the first team gets the better RB, but has a crappy Oline, WR that are playing relaxed and are going against a top defense.

The second stringer has a second string oline, against a second string defense, with second string RB, but with WR whom are playing their hearts out.

O-line did a decent job last night.