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100% behind Moore

Vaark said:
You do understand dontcha that neither Brady nor Stafford beat a winning team all regular season either,- not just over 12 games starting eh? Last time I checked. Hardly a formula for success! Or that Ryan beat Detroit early on but during the last 9 games he only beat TN, who was a winning team based on a fluky last minute in game 16 vs Houston. And that Ryan lost to 4 winning teams? Or that Andy Dalton over a 16 game season only beat those same Fluky Titans while losing to 6 winning teams? Hopefully for the sake of their respective teams, none of the above will start next season, eh?
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I'd have to double check, but I think every quarterback you just listed to me, perhaps with the exception of dalton, in defense of matt moore, was actually playing in the playoffs last postseason, whilst matt moore led us to a .500 record as a starter.... interesting take... I'll try to dig deeper for a correlation to playoff quarterbacks and matt moore... think I'll be successful???
 
DefensiveEnd76 said:
Matt Moore is a guy you want to root for, even if he wasn't the Dolphins QB. Moore is a good person and has some moxy. I think he just needs to be surrounded by a better o-line and playmakers on offense. Face it, the cupboard is bare on offense right now.
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correct me if I'm wrong... wouldn't any quarterback in america be better if he were to be SURROUNDED by a better oline and playmakers... I mean am I the only guy that is tired of that argument... matt moore, chad henne, gus frerotte... doesn't matter who it is, they get to work with what we got... thats how it works.
 
Mcganiel said:
His qb rating is a highlight real? What did you have the volume turned off..maybe you should learn to listen to the stats...
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i wasn't referring to the link... I was implying that ted ginn sucks, BUT if I show you a highlight reel of ted ginn, you will start thinking he is pretty good.


for all the bashing of brandon marshall on here lately, I wonder if everyone knows that brandon marshall is responsible for 59 of matt moores completions, and 5 tds, and 901 yards... or roughly... 1/3 of matts td passes, 1/5 of his completions, and 1/3 of his yards passing... a lot of matt moores success went to brandon marshalls hands..

anyone think bess or hartline will produce those numbers, or at the very least draw a double team so somedoby else can.
 
2413fanphins said:
I'd have to double check, but I think every quarterback you just listed to me, perhaps with the exception of dalton, in defense of matt moore, was actually playing in the playoffs last postseason, whilst matt moore led us to a .500 record as a starter.... interesting take... I'll try to dig deeper for a correlation to playoff quarterbacks and matt moore... think I'll be successful???
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Well considering Dalton won 9 games and Stafford 10 in 3 and a fraction more games played and/or 4 more starts than Matt, and that Dalton finished the season 5-4, while Stafford, although he had Calvin Johnson who unlike Marshall actually catches balls in the endzone and lob passes anywhere and everywhere also finished the season 5-4, and that both of them had TC first team reps vs being thrown into a baptism by fire, knock yourself out trying to rationalize irelevancy.

Whaddya know? Until I did my own checking, I just thought you were a visceral Moore H8R, not a Henne Fanboy. That sort of fills in the blanks as a reliable credibility filter. (Oh and should I say "Go Jacksonville!.. but not Gabbert"?)
 
19 completion of 25 yards or more which broke franchise record! Wow... Lets go Moore!
 
Vaark said:
Well considering Dalton won 9 games and Stafford 10 in 3 and a fraction more games played and/or 4 more starts than Matt, and that Dalton finished the season 5-4, while Stafford, although he had Calvin Johnson who unlike Marshall actually catches balls in the endzone and lob passes anywhere and everywhere also finished the season 5-4, and that both of them had TC first team reps vs being thrown into a baptism by fire, knock yourself out trying to rationalize irelevancy.

Whaddya know? Until I did my own checking, I just thought you were a visceral Moore H8R, not a Henne Fanboy. That sort of fills in the blanks as a reliable credibility filter. (Oh and should I say "Go Jacksonville!.. but not Gabbert"?)
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i just absolutely have fallen in love with the TC excuse.. I mean I've heard it so much on these boards that I can't help but develope a crush on the idea..
I was a henne fanboy, watched him quite a bit at michigan, liked him in miami. he was a failure. he had his rookie contract to get it hammered out. a lot like matt moore sits as a five year vet, and hasn't solidified himself as a starter for a **** carolina team or a **** miami team. we shop a handful of vet free agents, and they all say pass, or sign elsewhere, and than we not only bring in david garard who didn't even play last year, but also pay him more than MM and give him a shot at the starter role... but it's probably my blidn homerism for chad henne getting in the way...

matt moore played more of the san diego game than henne did if I remember, but since he didnt' start we'll just let it slide. I mean how can you expect the guy to overcome the massive deficit that henne left him with, what was it 3 or 6 points??

the mere fact that you try to compare to marshall to the 2nd overall pick of the draft in calvin johnson, tells me all I need to know..

when will we be comparing matt moore to peyton manning, eli manning, or big ben?
 
and 3 and fraction games???? by fraction you certainly must mean over 3 full quarters of the game... henne was hurt at 6:03 left in the FIRST QUARTER... so matt moores fraction of the game equals out to 54 of 60 minutes.. or 90%...
 
2413fanphins said:
and 3 and fraction games???? by fraction you certainly must mean over 3 full quarters of the game... henne was hurt at 6:03 left in the FIRST QUARTER... so matt moores fraction of the game equals out to 54 of 60 minutes.. or 90%...
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You first contended that in less than a season Moore didn't beat any winning teams. I countered that neither did Brady nor Stafford and Dalton only beat 1 because of that crazy Houston ending = check

You then maintained that you'd check to see who played in the playoffs vs who didn't. I countered that both played at least 3 plus more games than Moore, inferring it was not a fair comparison and that despite Marshall dropping about 3-4 balls in the endzone and Calvin Johnson catching everything in sight and beyond, while Moore actually finished the season 6-3 without the benefit of a training camp, Stafford and Dalton although going to the postseason finished worse at 5-4 between them only Dalton beating TN and their fluky ending during that span. And amazingly when those 2 played a full 16 games and a complete TC vs Moore's being thrown into the 3rd game, starting 12 and having no real TC, he still outperformed these postseason calibre QBs over the last 9/16ths of the season = check

You previously tried to preempt anticipated excuses for Moore if his season doesn't go well including something to the effect that his defenders will say it's a team game more so than on the QB. I posted one of your many excuses and rationalizations for Henne, on Oct 1 inferring that the team was at fault for the 0-3 start and Henne was being victimized because he happened to be the starter = check

Loads of excuses for Henne all along fostering an understanding that when someone is so invested in a losing horse in the race and one comes from out of the pack to outdistance and out-class your favorite, if you don't deny that it happened, the hit to the ego is on you, so try to paint the new horse as bad as your favorite as a coping mechanism. = checkmate

Again, you're entitled to your love affair with Henne. I defended him also to a point, probably also too stubbornly and too long. But actually being at 3 Moore starts this year (did I say watching him in person vs on the lazy boy with remote in hand?) and observing the difference the 2, it was an eye opener for me. But now with the proper perspective I do understand more and feel your pain :idk:
 
I gave up on henne months ago. I gave up on matt moore months ago. Neither are good enough to take this team anywhere. The owner and gm both have publicly made aware their wanting a upgrade at qb to get the team over the hump. They brought in a guy coming off a brokem back and he actually gets to.compete for the.starters job. One major difference you refuse to acknowledge is that both dalton and stafford were starters day one. After five years, matt moore still hasnt hammered down a starting gig... but hey, in 9 games he was a top 12five quarterback... just wait til someday when hes actually.good.enough to start a full season, ( be advised to not hold your breath), as even if he was named an.opening day starter he has a kna k for finding injury. But hang your hat on the fact that for 12 9/10games in 2011, we were the third best team in the afc east.
 
2413fanphins said:
correct me if I'm wrong... wouldn't any quarterback in america be better if he were to be SURROUNDED by a better oline and playmakers... I mean am I the only guy that is tired of that argument... matt moore, chad henne, gus frerotte... doesn't matter who it is, they get to work with what we got... thats how it works.
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Um yes but we don't have jack squat on offense right now. What I am saying is give the guy some weapons and a better right tackle and we could be a playoff team.
 
2413fanphins said:
I gave up on henne months ago. I gave up on matt moore months ago. Neither are good enough to take this team anywhere. The owner and gm both have publicly made aware their wanting a upgrade at qb to get the team over the hump. They brought in a guy coming off a brokem back and he actually gets to.compete for the.starters job. One major difference you refuse to acknowledge is that both dalton and stafford were starters day one. After five years, matt moore still hasnt hammered down a starting gig... but hey, in 9 games he was a top 12five quarterback... just wait til someday when hes actually.good.enough to start a full season, ( be advised to not hold your breath), as even if he was named an.opening day starter he has a kna k for finding injury. But hang your hat on the fact that for 12 9/10games in 2011, we were the third best team in the afc east.
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You'll get no more arguments from me now that I understand all too well where you're really coming from despite your protestations about giving up on Henne.

Watched Culpepper without Moss before he went down - knew he'd be a fail even before then. Would have preferred Saban sign no one than sign him, didn't want him in the worst way. Despised Lawrence Phillips - thought him wearing aqua orange was a disgrace and travesty. He was a thug and his assault of a woman in Plantation confirmed it and I was happy to see him gone. Same for Cecil Collins. Never wanted Trent Green, he was a stop gap and a concussion waiting to happen. Those are a couple of Fins, at least for awhile that I despised, wanting no part of them. HOWEVER, I actually rooted for them to succeed when playing on my team.

The notion of rooting against a player because you hate him for whatever real reason or emotional investment is frankly quite foreign to me, so I'm curious, how do you reconcile rooting for Moore to fail while still calling yourself a Fins fan?
 
Moore is better than Henne but we still aren't going anywhere with him so this is just a colossal waste of time.
 
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