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1972 Fins 2nd best team ever??

From the comparisons i've heard from people all over the place, i'd have to say that the 85 Bears were the greatest team of all-time. I mean it takes a hell of a squad to go 18-1 in the NFL and they did, hey i know 17-0 is great too. But that was a hell of a team that did that, so dominant on defense and so reliable on offense. The only reason that the Phins are seperate from them is we turned our early 70's talent into 3 AFC Titles and 2 rings. The Bears with their potential could only go one for one screwing up a sure fire dyansty.
 
FlyersCupCrazy said:
The Bears with their potential could only go one for one screwing up a sure fire dyansty.
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If they were "a sure fire dyansty" they would have won more than one ring. Since they obviously didn't how on earth did you come to the conclusion that they were? :lol:

On another note, is a dyansty a level above a dynasty?
 
The Dolphins run in the early 70's until the the World football league was formed and broke up the team can not be touched. The record in 72 will always stand, never to be broken. It was fun to watch. The 85 Bears were great. But they had no staying power. The Steeler teams that came along in the late 70's just would not have had the success without the WFL breakup of the Dolphins. Speaking of Offensive stats, check out how many times
Griese had to throw the ball in that Super Bowl. If I had 3 Rb's that could control the game and help keep my jersey clean like Bob did, I would not throw the ball either. Therefore point differentials in all those so called "close games" won't be that BIG.
Those opponents in 72 were suffocated to death. Opponents could not stop the run game, they could not get the ball back, and helplessly watched the game clock click away. The game in the early 70's was also alot more brutal than the mid 80's. There were alot less rules early on and most of them were not strictly enforced. Have you ever been head slapped? If you even know what that means. Players were being chewed up and spit out of the league at a rapid rate. It was difficult to keep everyone healthy.By the mid 80's fans were identifying with star players more than just teams,and the league changed to preserve that "commodity" called the star player. The super bowl shuffle video is a good example of how things changed. If you really want to compare the 85 Bears to the 72 Dolphins, you have to look at the "WHOLE" picture. Seeing is believing!
 
[QUOTE='66'Fin]The Dolphins run in the early 70's until the the World football league was formed and broke up the team can not be touched. The record in 72 will always stand, never to be broken. It was fun to watch. The 85 Bears were great. But they had no staying power. The Steeler teams that came along in the late 70's just would not have had the success without the WFL breakup of the Dolphins. Speaking of Offensive stats, check out how many times
Griese had to throw the ball in that Super Bowl. If I had 3 Rb's that could control the game and help keep my jersey clean like Bob did, I would not throw the ball either. Therefore point differentials in all those so called "close games" won't be that BIG.
Those opponents in 72 were suffocated to death. Opponents could not stop the run game, they could not get the ball back, and helplessly watched the game clock click away. The game in the early 70's was also alot more brutal than the mid 80's. There were alot less rules early on and most of them were not strictly enforced. Have you ever been head slapped? If you even know what that means. Players were being chewed up and spit out of the league at a rapid rate. It was difficult to keep everyone healthy.By the mid 80's fans were identifying with star players more than just teams,and the league changed to preserve that "commodity" called the star player. The super bowl shuffle video is a good example of how things changed. If you really want to compare the 85 Bears to the 72 Dolphins, you have to look at the "WHOLE" picture. Seeing is believing![/QUOTE]

Well put 66. I think we averaged 15 passes per game throughout the 72 season. I once knew the average "Time Of Possession" and length of drives for the 72 season but time has taken its toll on memory. If anyone can come up with these you will see the dominance we imposed over the opposition. It was RAPE!

Stats complements of Phins.com

1972 Miami Dolphins Season Statistics

Rushing
Att. Yards Avg. Long TDs
Csonka 213 1117 5.2 45 6
Morris 190 1000 5.3 33 12
Kiick 137 521 3.8 26 5
Ginn 27 142 5.3 22 1
Leigh 21 79 3.8 10 0
Morrall 17 67 4.0 31 1
Warfield 4 23 5.8 21 0
Griese 3 11 3.7 5 1
Del Gaizo 1 0 0 0 0
Team 613 2960 4.8 45 26
Passing
Att. Comp. Pct. Yards TDs Long Int. Rating
Morrall 150 83 55.3 1360 11 49 7 90.97
Griese 97 53 54.6 638 4 39 4 71.59
Del Gaizo 9 5 55.6 165 2 51 1 100.46
Briscoe 3 3 100.0 72 0 26 0 118.75
Team 259 144 55.6 2235 17 51 12 86.94
Receiving
No. Yards Avg. Long TDs
Warfield 29 606 20.9 47 3
Kiick 21 147 7.0 15 1
Twilley 20 364 18.2 44 3
Briscoe 16 279 17.4 51 4
Morris 15 168 11.2 34 0
Stowe 13 276 21.2 49 2
Fleming 13 156 12.0 31 1
Mandich 11 168 15.3 39 3
Csonka 5 48 9.6 14 0
Den Herder 1 24 24.0 24 0
Ginn 1 23 23.0 23 0
Team 145 2259 15.6 51 17
Interceptions
No. Yards Long TDs
Scott 5 73 31 0
Mumphord 4 50 28 1
Anderson 3 34 22 0
Foley 3 25 15 0
Johnson 3 20 13 0
Swift 3 5 4 0
Buoniconti 2 17 10 0
Babb 1 24 24 0
Team 24 248 31 1
Scoring
TDs TD R TD P TD RB XP XPA FG FGA S Points
Yepremian 0 0 0 0 43 45 24 37 0 115
Morris 12 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 72
Csonka 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 36
Kiick 6 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 36
Briscoe 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 24
Mandich 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
Twilley 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
Warfield 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
Stowe 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 12
Anderson 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 6
Fleming 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Ginn 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Griese 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Morrall 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Mumphord 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 6
Team 45 26 17 2 43 45 24 37 0 385
Page created by James Benson
 
nolefin said:
not to take anything away from our great team of 72' but da bears were pretty darn good that year its a toss up but i would go with the fins both were great though
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First of all, the 1972 team led the NFL in both offense and defense, the 1985 Bears offense was not even in the league of our offense.. 5 hall of famers on that Dolphin offense.

While the No Name Defense is widely considered one of the top ten defenses ever, maybe not as good as the Bears but in the same league.

The No Names are one of two defenses to ever shut out the opponents offense from scoring in a superbowl(The Ravens are the other), in back to back superbowls the No Names allowed a total of 7 points.

People can have opinions all they want, but no one can discredit that Dolphin team with any credibility or facts.

17-0 speaks volumes.
 
dol_fan_81 said:
whats better? a season without a loss, or a season with a loss?

:hitself:
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how wonderfully simplistic. What's better beating the Patriots 15 out of 16 times or beating the Westchester High School fighting Quakers 16 times straight? Strength of schedule means alot, the '72 fins had one of the easiest schedules in NFL history. I'm not saying that the '72 fins weren't a great team. But the 17-0 record isn't nearly as impressive to me considering who they were playing. Heck they only beat the Bills (who sucked most of the 70's) by one point. If I remember right Buffalo missed a FG late in the game, we decided to make that a trend in the early 90's as well. Chicago won 18 games that year, in the playoffs they were virtually untouchable.

I should point out that I'm playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. I've been known to defend the '72 fins when they are questioned. But since everyone's a fin fan here I'll go for the '85 Bears to make life interesting. BTW I think the '85 Bears would have beaten the fins, better size and speed in the 80's .
 
Vessel17 said:
how wonderfully simplistic. What's better beating the Patriots 15 out of 16 times or beating the Westchester High School fighting Quakers 16 times straight? Strength of schedule means alot, the '72 fins had one of the easiest schedules in NFL history. I'm not saying that the '72 fins weren't a great team. But the 17-0 record isn't nearly as impressive to me considering who they were playing. Heck they only beat the Bills (who sucked most of the 70's) by one point. If I remember right Buffalo missed a FG late in the game, we decided to make that a trend in the early 90's as well. Chicago won 18 games that year, in the playoffs they were virtually untouchable.

I should point out that I'm playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. I've been known to defend the '72 fins when they are questioned. But since everyone's a fin fan here I'll go for the '85 Bears to make life interesting. BTW I think the '85 Bears would have beaten the fins, better size and speed in the 80's .
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Chicago was never even in the game that they played against the Dolphins in 1985.

I know, because I was there. They had a gimmicky defense that blitzed on every play. Most of the teams in the NFL had not yet developed an adequate reply to this strategy.

Shula did

With Marino's quick release, all that he had to do was find the receiver left open by the blitz and hit him.

The 1972 team dominated on every side of the ball and did not need to resort to gimmicky schemes.

BTW, in the game against the Bills, that the Fins won 24-23, the Bills were completely dominated in the game. The Fins had 301 yards to Buffalo's 177.
It would not have been a game if the Fins did not have 3 fumbles and an interception returned for TD
 
Vessel17 said:
so does the .395% winning percentage of their opponents.
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Again buckwheat, 32-2 over two seasons, a total of 7 points allowed by the No Name defense to the combined offenses of the Vikings and the Redskins in Superbowl 7 & 8, I suppose your going to criticize the Dolphins Superbowl opponents as well?

Did the Bears have to go on the road to play Terry Bradshaw and the Steel Curtain in the AFC Championship game like the 15-0 1972 Miami Dolphins had too?

Perfect is perfect and you can't change that, if the 1985 Dolphins beat the Bears I have no doubt the 1972 Dolphins would have.
 
No offense to the 72 team but the 85 Bears AND the 85 Fins would have mopped them up. Different eras of the game. Although being undefeated is something that will never happen again so in essence record wise they are the best. But talent wise they are at best top 20 maybe not even.. Again different eras.
 
Vessel17 said:
so does the .395% winning percentage of their opponents.
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Overall,those stats still pretty much hold true to this day, because the Phins are in the AFCE. In 1972 that represented 57% or 8 games of the 14 game regular season schedule the Dolphins swept. AFCE then consisted of Phins,Bills,Colts,Jets and Pats. Anytime a team goes undefeated against an opposition that represents 57% of its games,the winning percentage of the opposition will take a nasty hit.The mark of excellence is that in the history of the Miami Dolphins, they have won 61% of all the games they have played. There was an article just this week by one of the big wig sports writers that said that the Phins could go 0-16 this year and THEN the second closest team to them in overall wins could consider they had a chance to best that record. As hard as you might try to DISS the Phins, even when they have been bad, they have been good enough to be competitive. And they AIN'T been bad often. Comparing your history with our history is like comparing a Poodle to a Bull Mastif. Go away kid, you bother us.
 
let them say what they want 17-0 speaks for itself. Never again repeated.
 
I'll always claim that the '72 Dolphins were the best ever, but if I was forced to pick a "better" team, it would be the '85 Bears. I remember that team vividly. Short of the game we beat them, they were just absolutely unstoppable. It all came together for them during that season and basically it was no contest whoever they played. That's what made beating them such a big game - and regarded as one of the best games ever to this day! Made me sick that the Patriots killed us in the AFC Champ game - denying us a chance to play the Bears in the SuperBowl. Now THAT would have been interesting!

Anyways, we all - of course - consider the '72 Dolphins the best, but the 85 Bear's dominance is the reason you'll hear other people say otherwise.
 
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