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2012 Starting RG/ RT: Draft, FA, or on the Roster?

I dont want expensive FA. I would be happy with Flynn, then build through draft. Riley Reiff at #8 would be BPA and fill our biggest need. In my mind it would be stupidity not to take him.

Definitely not BPA, he is being overrated due to teams needing a LT. We have a LT, so to draft him as a RT would be insane. That being said, I don't think RT is a bigger need than pass rusher or any skilled playmaker on either side of the ball. RT's are easier to find than it seems, we just had a football coach who had a thing for Cowboys castoffs and he got a hard on when a guy he personally coached while in Dallas (Colombo) was available.

Miami can get an Upshaw in round 1, and come back in round 2 or 3 and get a guy like Bobbie Massie who will be just fine at RT. Then again I actually liked what I saw from Murtha and Jerry, plus Garner can also play RT, so while it would be great to get an upgrade at RT, don't let Colombo's poor play make it seem like we don't have options there because we do. Personally I think Big Vernon Carey can still play RT and can be had for cheap also.

I would go QB, RB, WR, DB, OLB or DL over OL with that first pick. I couldn't sleep knowing we took Reilly Reiff over Trent Richardson . . . even tough we have Bush and Thomas already at RB.

Upgrade the overall talent and it makes alot of people better on this team.
 
I like the thought drafting Zeitler from Wisconsin in the 3rd.

The 2012 starting OL IMO should then be; Long, Jerry, Pouncey, Zeitler, Garner.

Incog & Vern could be 2 of the 3 backups.
 
I for one would have absolutely no problem with drafting DEcastro. He is athletic, tough, and will start day one and may even go to probowl first year. thats right i said it.

its real simple, if he is a pro bowl type, you cant lose. Pouncey, we did not lose, regardless what any schmoe who wanted Mallett says.

And I cannot stress enough about the importance of protecting your investment at QB.

Personally if we traded down and drafted Peter Konz and moved Pouncey to LG and picked up a 2nd round pick in the process, I couldn't be mad. I just think even though Pouncey played well this past season, he just seems out of place at Center and would be a Pro Bowl LG over time . . . his high snaps are something that has plagued him from his UF days. Konz is a born Center and then we can shift Incognito to his more natural position at RG, or better yet just have a 5 way battle between Murtha, Jerry, Garner, Carey and Cogs for those 2 spots. Truthfully I don't think this OLine is as bad as we all think it is, we just had an extreme liability with Colombo and a few guys who would be more effective in other positions.

If Miami drafted any OLineman with that 8th/9th pick . . . the one that would make me the least upset is Decastro, though I am advocating no OL with that first pick in the top 10.
 
I like the thought drafting Zeitler from Wisconsin in the 3rd.

The 2012 starting OL IMO should then be; Long, Jerry, Pouncey, Zeitler, Garner.

Incog & Vern could be 2 of the 3 backups.

Cogs will either start or be cut . . . he is making almost 5 million next season.
 
Definitely not BPA, he is being overrated due to teams needing a LT. We have a LT, so to draft him as a RT would be insane. That being said, I don't think RT is a bigger need than pass rusher or any skilled playmaker on either side of the ball. RT's are easier to find than it seems, we just had a football coach who had a thing for Cowboys castoffs and he got a hard on when a guy he personally coached while in Dallas (Colombo) was available.

Miami can get an Upshaw in round 1, and come back in round 2 or 3 and get a guy like Bobbie Massie who will be just fine at RT. Then again I actually liked what I saw from Murtha and Jerry, plus Garner can also play RT, so while it would be great to get an upgrade at RT, don't let Colombo's poor play make it seem like we don't have options there because we do. Personally I think Big Vernon Carey can still play RT and can be had for cheap also.

I would go QB, RB, WR, DB, OLB or DL over OL with that first pick. I couldn't sleep knowing we took Reilly Reiff over Trent Richardson . . . even tough we have Bush and Thomas already at RB.

Upgrade the overall talent and it makes alot of people better on this team.

I agree.....thats why I would take Reilly Reiff!
 
I agree.....thats why I would take Reilly Reiff!

lol I guess I just wasn't that impressed with Reiff this season (saw him around 6 times last season), definitely not to the point where I would consider him top 10. I'd rather Decastro there or even Peter Konz if we went OLine. But there is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

To me, it is easier to find a RT than it is a quality pass rusher. I would be heartbroken if we took a RT in the top 10 and still exposed Cam Wake to double teams every game because we didn't get a pass rusher when one fell in our laps (Upshaw). Sad part is, our next best pass rusher retired and we pretty much realize that Misi just doesn't have the tools to be a solid pass rusher. Alama Francis is a run stuffer and Sparano and company decided not to keep Quinton Spears as a project pass rusher. Trusnik and Spitler are ST guys and the rest of the guys play on the inside.

I feel we atleast have options at RT, we are extremely thin at pass rusher from the OLB position and that needs to be addressed.
 
BTW, it seems to me that this draft has some depth at T
 
You have to co-ordinate your Draft and F/A or you'll never move up to SB contender.

I'd limit my F/A only by the "cap". Last year, MIAMI was $9 or 10 Million under the "cap", and the whole League knew that MIAMI's interior O-Line was a shambles. There were at least 4 very solid F/A Gs that I still remember (GALLERY, COLLEDGE and both of ATLANTA's starters), and a couple more after the late cuts (cap casualties). How many did MIAMI go after? NONE!!! Stupid ROSS decided to go the "cheap route". So, after everyone good was gone, what does MIAMI do? Rummages thru DALLAS's garbage can and comes up with....COLUMBO, the worst T in football! So, in desperation, SPARANO has to move a serviceable veteran RT (CAREY) to RG, where he hadn't played since "The U". IF stupid ROSS hadn't cheaped out, then the "worst case scenario" was that MIAMI would've got a solid F/A G to play LG next to LONG, w/POUNCEY at C and INCOGNITO at RG where he really should be, and CAREY at RT with JERRY/GARNER providing depth. COLUMBO would have been ELSEWHERE! He was a joke, and the COLUMBO /CAREY experiment was, too. COLUMBO consistently hurt us. By my count, he was responsible for at least 5 stalled drives/game. And given the fact that MIAMI lost to DENVER, DALLAS, the GIANTS, N.E.II and CLEVELAND by 3 points or less, I have to believe that COLUMBO cost MIAMI 5 losses. And also, given that MIAMI lost to HOUSTON and SD by 6, maybe as many as 2 more. FLYNN never had to deal w/such crap. MOORE did: he AND MIAMI deserved a better fate...like about10-2 w/a solid shot at 11-1, w/an overall mar record of 12-4, and the Playoffs. As to stupid ROSS, right after he fired SPARANO, he should have fired HIMSELF. (sorry for the rant)

Be that as it may, if you don't learn the lessons of history, you're doomed to repeat them. CUT COLUMBO immediately to start the new football year, and get either of the two 2 Gs mentioned in this thread. Then move CAREY back to RT, and let MURTHA compete for a T position w/CAREY and JERRY, both of whom can play G anyway. Let GARNER back up everyone except LONG, but let him take some "reps" at C: I still remember how VERY well he played C in that game where both J BERGER and J GROVE went down in the 1st Half! SO...OL problem solved!

Also as to F/A, I'd also target MEACHEM. He's fast, and a solid, complete WR. If MIAMI can get him, moving up to get BLACKMON wouldn't be necessary. If MIAMI can't get him, or any other fast veteran WR, then I'd move up to get BLACKMON. But getting MEACHEM would allow MIAMI to target T RICHARDSON in the Draft. This would be ideal given his talent. But beyond that, it's ideal because as things stand, if R BUSH goes down or even gets "dinged" and misses time, MIAMI's running game is crapola for the duration thereof.

Beyond that, I'd go after the best FS in F/A. I'd then move R JONES to SS where he belongs i/m/o, and cut BELL, who costs $6.2 Million (I believe) and can't cover his a** anymore. As to a pass-rushing OLB, AVRIL would be who I'd go after, and I'd do it wholeheartedly. Then I'd cut MISI (who's a bust as a pass-rusher) and IKOOKOO IMMA FRENCHFRY (or whatever his name is).

As to FLYNN, his resumee is too thin and it consists of playing for GB, a topshelf team and organization. I would NOT offer him "KOLB MONEY", UNLESS Coach PHILBIN very strongly vouches for him. As to P MANNING (if 100% healthy), that's a wholly different universe!

Lastly, how much can be done? All of those F/As cost $$$, right?!!! Well, MIAMI was about $9-10 Million under the "cap" last season, and the "cap" is going up this year. And just by cutting BELL and COLUMBO, MIAMI saves c. $7 Million in capspace. There's a lot of deadwood on MIAMI's roster, so it can be done. In fact, it would HAVE TO BE DONE anyway, because every F/A or Draftee who makes the team needs a roster spot. But it's about time the deadwood was trimmed!

As to what else MIAMI does in the Draft, that would depend on how/what MIAMI does in F/A.

P.S.: Message to ROSS--WINNING will put fans in those seats, not some celebrity wiggling her a** and jiggling her hooters.
 
You have to co-ordinate your Draft and F/A or you'll never move up to SB contender.

I'd limit my F/A only by the "cap". Last year, MIAMI was $9 or 10 Million under the "cap", and the whole League knew that MIAMI's interior O-Line was a shambles. There were at least 4 very solid F/A Gs that I still remember (GALLERY, COLLEDGE and both of ATLANTA's starters), and a couple more after the late cuts (cap casualties). How many did MIAMI go after? NONE!!! Stupid ROSS decided to go the "cheap route". So, after everyone good was gone, what does MIAMI do? Rummages thru DALLAS's garbage can and comes up with....COLUMBO, the worst T in football! So, in desperation, SPARANO has to move a serviceable veteran RT (CAREY) to RG, where he hadn't played since "The U". IF stupid ROSS hadn't cheaped out, then the "worst case scenario" was that MIAMI would've got a solid F/A G to play LG next to LONG, w/POUNCEY at C and INCOGNITO at RG where he really should be, and CAREY at RT with JERRY/GARNER providing depth. COLUMBO would have been ELSEWHERE! He was a joke, and the COLUMBO /CAREY experiment was, too. COLUMBO consistently hurt us. By my count, he was responsible for at least 5 stalled drives/game. And given the fact that MIAMI lost to DENVER, DALLAS, the GIANTS, N.E.II and CLEVELAND by 3 points or less, I have to believe that COLUMBO cost MIAMI 5 losses. And also, given that MIAMI lost to HOUSTON and SD by 6, maybe as many as 2 more. FLYNN never had to deal w/such crap. MOORE did: he AND MIAMI deserved a better fate...like about10-2 w/a solid shot at 11-1, w/an overall mar record of 12-4, and the Playoffs. As to stupid ROSS, right after he fired SPARANO, he should have fired HIMSELF. (sorry for the rant)

Be that as it may, if you don't learn the lessons of history, you're doomed to repeat them. CUT COLUMBO immediately to start the new football year, and get either of the two 2 Gs mentioned in this thread. Then move CAREY back to RT, and let MURTHA compete for a T position w/CAREY and JERRY, both of whom can play G anyway. Let GARNER back up everyone except LONG, but let him take some "reps" at C: I still remember how VERY well he played C in that game where both J BERGER and J GROVE went down in the 1st Half! SO...OL problem solved!

Also as to F/A, I'd also target MEACHEM. He's fast, and a solid, complete WR. If MIAMI can get him, moving up to get BLACKMON wouldn't be necessary. If MIAMI can't get him, or any other fast veteran WR, then I'd move up to get BLACKMON. But getting MEACHEM would allow MIAMI to target T RICHARDSON in the Draft. This would be ideal given his talent. But beyond that, it's ideal because as things stand, if R BUSH goes down or even gets "dinged" and misses time, MIAMI's running game is crapola for the duration thereof.

Beyond that, I'd go after the best FS in F/A. I'd then move R JONES to SS where he belongs i/m/o, and cut BELL, who costs $6.2 Million (I believe) and can't cover his a** anymore. As to a pass-rushing OLB, AVRIL would be who I'd go after, and I'd do it wholeheartedly. Then I'd cut MISI (who's a bust as a pass-rusher) and IKOOKOO IMMA FRENCHFRY (or whatever his name is).

As to FLYNN, his resumee is too thin and it consists of playing for GB, a topshelf team and organization. I would NOT offer him "KOLB MONEY", UNLESS Coach PHILBIN very strongly vouches for him. As to P MANNING (if 100% healthy), that's a wholly different universe!

Lastly, how much can be done? All of those F/As cost $$$, right?!!! Well, MIAMI was about $9-10 Million under the "cap" last season, and the "cap" is going up this year. And just by cutting BELL and COLUMBO, MIAMI saves c. $7 Million in capspace. There's a lot of deadwood on MIAMI's roster, so it can be done. In fact, it would HAVE TO BE DONE anyway, because every F/A or Draftee who makes the team needs a roster spot. But it's about time the deadwood was trimmed!

As to what else MIAMI does in the Draft, that would depend on how/what MIAMI does in F/A.

P.S.: Message to ROSS--WINNING will put fans in those seats, not some celebrity wiggling her a** and jiggling her hooters.

Ross was saving his money for this year!
 
Both, try Murtha, if he's healthy, which he should be, and draft Hurst from LSU, he isn't flashy or going to any pro bowls, but could develop into a decent starter.
 
Peyton Manning = No top tier FA's and probably only 1 or two mid tier FA's after cutting Yeremiah Bell and letting Soliai,Carey and Langford walk.

I believe the Manning move is correct, but it will cost the rest of the team quality and depth.

The draft will be extremely important. People who think the Dolphins will acquire Peyton and draft RG are completely out of touch with reality.

There will be no big name OL acquisitions, and the Dolphins aren't spending another 1st round pick on an OL.

If the Dolphins move to the 4-3 they don't have a starting DE opposite Wake. Dolphins will draft DE in the 1st, although I think they should draft Chandler Jones in the 2nd. He is IMO a top 20 prospect on the same order as Aldon Smith.
 
Peyton Manning = No top tier FA's and probably only 1 or two mid tier FA's after cutting Yeremiah Bell and letting Soliai,Carey and Langford walk.

I believe the Manning move is correct, but it will cost the rest of the team quality and depth.

The draft will be extremely important. People who think the Dolphins will acquire Peyton and draft RG are completely out of touch with reality.

There will be no big name OL acquisitions, and the Dolphins aren't spending another 1st round pick on an OL.

If the Dolphins move to the 4-3 they don't have a starting DE opposite Wake. Dolphins will draft DE in the 1st, although I think they should draft Chandler Jones in the 2nd. He is IMO a top 20 prospect on the same order as Aldon Smith.

IMO Jared Odrick can play DE in 4-3 and alternate to DT on 3rd downs.
 
You have to co-ordinate your Draft and F/A or you'll never move up to SB contender.

I'd limit my F/A only by the "cap". Last year, MIAMI was $9 or 10 Million under the "cap", and the whole League knew that MIAMI's interior O-Line was a shambles. There were at least 4 very solid F/A Gs that I still remember (GALLERY, COLLEDGE and both of ATLANTA's starters), and a couple more after the late cuts (cap casualties). How many did MIAMI go after? NONE!!! Stupid ROSS decided to go the "cheap route". So, after everyone good was gone, what does MIAMI do? Rummages thru DALLAS's garbage can and comes up with....COLUMBO, the worst T in football! So, in desperation, SPARANO has to move a serviceable veteran RT (CAREY) to RG, where he hadn't played since "The U". IF stupid ROSS hadn't cheaped out, then the "worst case scenario" was that MIAMI would've got a solid F/A G to play LG next to LONG, w/POUNCEY at C and INCOGNITO at RG where he really should be, and CAREY at RT with JERRY/GARNER providing depth. COLUMBO would have been ELSEWHERE! He was a joke, and the COLUMBO /CAREY experiment was, too. COLUMBO consistently hurt us. By my count, he was responsible for at least 5 stalled drives/game. And given the fact that MIAMI lost to DENVER, DALLAS, the GIANTS, N.E.II and CLEVELAND by 3 points or less, I have to believe that COLUMBO cost MIAMI 5 losses. And also, given that MIAMI lost to HOUSTON and SD by 6, maybe as many as 2 more. FLYNN never had to deal w/such crap. MOORE did: he AND MIAMI deserved a better fate...like about10-2 w/a solid shot at 11-1, w/an overall mar record of 12-4, and the Playoffs. As to stupid ROSS, right after he fired SPARANO, he should have fired HIMSELF. (sorry for the rant)

Be that as it may, if you don't learn the lessons of history, you're doomed to repeat them. CUT COLUMBO immediately to start the new football year, and get either of the two 2 Gs mentioned in this thread. Then move CAREY back to RT, and let MURTHA compete for a T position w/CAREY and JERRY, both of whom can play G anyway. Let GARNER back up everyone except LONG, but let him take some "reps" at C: I still remember how VERY well he played C in that game where both J BERGER and J GROVE went down in the 1st Half! SO...OL problem solved!

Also as to F/A, I'd also target MEACHEM. He's fast, and a solid, complete WR. If MIAMI can get him, moving up to get BLACKMON wouldn't be necessary. If MIAMI can't get him, or any other fast veteran WR, then I'd move up to get BLACKMON. But getting MEACHEM would allow MIAMI to target T RICHARDSON in the Draft. This would be ideal given his talent. But beyond that, it's ideal because as things stand, if R BUSH goes down or even gets "dinged" and misses time, MIAMI's running game is crapola for the duration thereof.

Beyond that, I'd go after the best FS in F/A. I'd then move R JONES to SS where he belongs i/m/o, and cut BELL, who costs $6.2 Million (I believe) and can't cover his a** anymore. As to a pass-rushing OLB, AVRIL would be who I'd go after, and I'd do it wholeheartedly. Then I'd cut MISI (who's a bust as a pass-rusher) and IKOOKOO IMMA FRENCHFRY (or whatever his name is).

As to FLYNN, his resumee is too thin and it consists of playing for GB, a topshelf team and organization. I would NOT offer him "KOLB MONEY", UNLESS Coach PHILBIN very strongly vouches for him. As to P MANNING (if 100% healthy), that's a wholly different universe!

Lastly, how much can be done? All of those F/As cost $$$, right?!!! Well, MIAMI was about $9-10 Million under the "cap" last season, and the "cap" is going up this year. And just by cutting BELL and COLUMBO, MIAMI saves c. $7 Million in capspace. There's a lot of deadwood on MIAMI's roster, so it can be done. In fact, it would HAVE TO BE DONE anyway, because every F/A or Draftee who makes the team needs a roster spot. But it's about time the deadwood was trimmed!

As to what else MIAMI does in the Draft, that would depend on how/what MIAMI does in F/A.

P.S.: Message to ROSS--WINNING will put fans in those seats, not some celebrity wiggling her a** and jiggling her hooters.


one question ?? whats wrong with [h=1]Alshon Jeffery =======http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2859[/h]
 
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