2016 Coaching Data Base

[MD]

Worked okay for Todd Bowles and Kacy Rodgers.

I'm sure you could find several examples of success but I'm sure you'll find more examples of where it didn't. Are you going to tell me you wouldn't be concerned if the coaching staff is full of young, bright, high energy guys with minimal NFL experience?

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Bruce Arians and Todd Bowles - both first timers with the Arizona Cardinals as well back in 2013, although Arians did have some experience as an interim coach.

Bowles also had experience as an interim.

 

[Daytona Fin]

Bruce Arians and Todd Bowles - both first timers with the Arizona Cardinals as well back in 2013, although Arians did have some experience as an interim coach.

Bowles did too though it was only 3 games.

 

[TheWalrus]

I'm sure you could find several examples of success but I'm sure you'll find more examples of where it didn't. Are you going to tell me you wouldn't be concerned if the coaching staff is full of young, bright, high energy guys with minimal NFL experience?

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Bowles also had experience as an interim.

I'm sure you'll find more examples overall of head coaches that failed. Most of them do. There's also something to be said about what we define as "failure."

 

[Bob512]

Not sure hiring a supposed up and comer as your DC after hiring a head coach who is supposed to be up and coming is a good idea. Gase has to have some guys with experience to increase his chance of succeeding.

I agree with this....it isn't just a first time HC and a first time DC....but also that Gase will be calling the plays as well......so I'm assuming (dangerous I know) that we will have inexperience at OC as well, since they will not be calling the plays.

Gase is taking on a lot in his first assignment. From what I've read, he is a hard worker and has a strong work ethic, but it is a lot. I'm pulling for him.......

 

[Spesh]

I'm sure you'll find more examples overall of head coaches that failed. Most of them do. There's also something to be said about what we define as "failure."

We should also reevaluate how "inexperienced" is defined. Austin started coaching position groups in 1993. Gase has been coaching offenses since 2005. Both had graduate, recruiting, or scouting experience before then. But going off those dates, thats over 30 years of combined experience and 5 years of combined coordinator work, which seems like an eternity in today's "next big thing" NFL.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Not sure hiring a supposed up and comer as your DC after hiring a head coach who is supposed to be up and coming is a good idea. Gase has to have some guys with experience to increase his chance of succeeding.

Agree. I want Gase to stay focused on the offensive side of the ball. This will probably work better with an experienced guy running the D meaning someone who has been a DC before.

There are good examples of new hires on both sides of the ball succeeding but I would go the other route.

 

[TheWalrus]

We should also reevaluate how "inexperienced" is defined. Austin started coaching position groups in 1993. Gase has been coaching offenses since 2005. Both had graduate, recruiting, or scouting experience before then. But going off those dates, thats over 30 years of combined experience and 5 years of combined coordinator work, which seems like an eternity in today's "next big thing" NFL.

True. What's becoming clearer and clearer -- or at least should be -- is that there's no resume template for these situations. Guys like Mike Tomlin -- who only had like one year of coordinator experience -- can pan out... and so can geezers who got passed over a hundred times in Mike Zimmer and Bruce Arians. There's something these guys either have or don't have that ultimately determines their success that can't necessarily be gained through experience.

 

[FearTheBeard]

If Austin came available he's an elite option. Better than Joseph. That would be a truly special staff. The reason the story could have legs, albeit a longshot, is because Gase and Austin have a good enough relationship that Austin wanted him as his OC if he got a HC gig last offseason. Austin also isn't a first time coordinator, he was the DC this year. Getting those two, plus the experience with Suh, would be as good a start to an offseason as I've seen in the last 10 years.

 

[AL R]

If Austin came available he's an elite option. Better than Joseph. That would be a truly special staff. The reason the story could have legs, albeit a longshot, is because Gase and Austin have a good enough relationship that Austin wanted him as his OC if he got a HC gig last offseason. Austin also isn't a first time coordinator, he was the DC this year. Getting those two, plus the experience with Suh, would be as good a start to an offseason as I've seen in the last 10 years.

Just don't see them letting Austin leave..as you say its a real longshot... I am assuming the rest of the HC openings should start to fill soon which should provide a little more clarity on staff's etc.. unless teams wait around for playoff rounds to conclude.

 

[trojanma]

Just don't see them letting Austin leave..as you say its a real longshot... I am assuming the rest of the HC openings should start to fill soon which should provide a little more clarity on staff's etc.. unless teams wait around for playoff rounds to conclude.

Our best hope is that Quinn will want to dip to the Pats. Like lets say Matt Patricia who seems to be more agreable to leaving the mother ship than McDaniels. I suspect that McDaniels has some sort of agreement with Bill that he will take over the Pats.

 

[trojanma]

True. What's becoming clearer and clearer -- or at least should be -- is that there's no resume template for these situations. Guys like Mike Tomlin -- who only had like one year of coordinator experience -- can pan out... and so can geezers who got passed over a hundred times in Mike Zimmer and Bruce Arians. There's something these guys either have or don't have that ultimately determines their success that can't necessarily be gained through experience.

Totally agree.
I will say this. Bruce Arians is the anomoly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Arians

Did he simply get the Temple opportunity too early?
Also the year in Indy was probably the perfect mulligan year. There was no pressure. An opportunity to try out things and see if it worked.

Zimmer was a little different in that he was a DC for a long time under several regimes. That was probably really helpful.

Things that I like to see.
1. Plasticity- Being the coach of several different positions especially if it includes offensive and defensive positions. Not just Joe P. who was an Oline lifer until he be came an OC lite late in his career.
2. Rising through the ranks. This shows that new challenges are met and conquered. Not just someone who plateaus at one thing.
3. Avoid people who have only been in one place. Look at Josh McDaniels. Likely a brilliant mind who got too tied to only one way of doing things. When he tried to brute force replicate them in Denver it failed.

 

[TheWalrus]

Totally agree.
I will say this. Bruce Arians is the anomoly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Arians

Did he simply get the Temple opportunity too early?
Also the year in Indy was probably the perfect mulligan year. There was no pressure. An opportunity to try out things and see if it worked.

Zimmer was a little different in that he was a DC for a long time under several regimes. That was probably really helpful.

Things that I like to see.
1. Plasticity- Being the coach of several different positions especially if it includes offensive and defensive positions. Not just Joe P. who was an Oline lifer until he be came an OC lite late in his career.
2. Rising through the ranks. This shows that new challenges are met and conquered. Not just someone who plateaus at one thing.
3. Avoid people who have only been in one place. Look at Josh McDaniels. Likely a brilliant mind who got too tied to only one way of doing things. When he tried to brute force replicate them in Denver it failed.

He also failed as the OC in St. Louis.

Your "plasticity" criteria is one of the reasons I was so high on Hue Jackson, who has coached not just running backs, wide receivers and quarterbacks but also special teams and defense (secondary).

I disagree Arians had no pressure though. I can't imagine he felt anything but enormous pressure.

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Our best hope is that Quinn will want to dip to the Pats. Like lets say Matt Patricia who seems to be more agreable to leaving the mother ship than McDaniels. I suspect that McDaniels has some sort of agreement with Bill that he will take over the Pats.

What a stroke of luck that would be.

I doubt Kraft is that stupid, though.

 

[AL R]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
New #Lions GM Bob Quinn says at his press conference he met with Jim Caldwell today & was noncommittal. Says he has great respect for him.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
Lions G.M. Bob Quinn: No timetable on deciding Caldwell's fate http://wp.me/p14QSB-9XFW

so that means (will see after I talk to the NE assistants)?

 

[xXwarXx]

I'd love Austin as a Dc, but my worry is we hire him, he does well, he's gone after 1 year.

I want some continuity on this team. We need it desperately. And it's hard for me to see us resembling anything good next season so IMO planning further down the road is more important.

And that doesn't include Austin.

 

[TheWalrus]

I'd love Austin as a Dc, but my worry is we hire him, he does well, he's gone after 1 year.

I want some continuity on this team. We need it desperately. And it's hard for me to see us resembling anything good next season so IMO planning further down the road is more important.

And that doesn't include Austin.

So you'd prefer to hire someone who would do just poorly enough that no one wants him as a head coach?

**** that. Give me the defensive coordinator who's so good owners are offering their daughters to him as sex slaves if he'll come and coach their team. That's the guy I want.