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Andre Branch, Dolphins
Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $7M; Dead Money: $2M

This contract was a bit of a stretch the minute it was signed and a classic example of putting far too much stock in one season. Branch played in less than 50% of the snaps last year and finished with just 1.5 sacks.

Robert Quinn, Dolphins
Cap Saved: $12.9M; Cash Saved: $12.9M; Dead Money: $0

If Miami is serious about taking a step back this year then Quinn should not be in their plans. Quinn has tailed off from his peak years as a pass rusher but can still be effective as a starter, but he probably doesn’t have trade value at this salary unless a team is able to reach terms on an extension.

Olivier Vernon, Giants
Cap Saved: $11.5M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $8M

Vernon was the biggest signing in the Giants 2016 spending spree and hasn’t been healthy enough to really justify the contract. Vernon is still a capable player and will likely land a $10 million a year type contract when released, but it makes more sense for the Giants to move on and allow him to get a fresh start elsewhere rather than try to bring his salary down for the season.
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
https://overthecap.com/2019-potential-cuts-edge-rusher/

Andre Branch, Dolphins
Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $7M; Dead Money: $2M

This contract was a bit of a stretch the minute it was signed and a classic example of putting far too much stock in one season. Branch played in less than 50% of the snaps last year and finished with just 1.5 sacks.

Robert Quinn, Dolphins
Cap Saved: $12.9M; Cash Saved: $12.9M; Dead Money: $0

If Miami is serious about taking a step back this year then Quinn should not be in their plans. Quinn has tailed off from his peak years as a pass rusher but can still be effective as a starter, but he probably doesn’t have trade value at this salary unless a team is able to reach terms on an extension.

Olivier Vernon, Giants
Cap Saved: $11.5M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $8M

Vernon was the biggest signing in the Giants 2016 spending spree and hasn’t been healthy enough to really justify the contract. Vernon is still a capable player and will likely land a $10 million a year type contract when released, but it makes more sense for the Giants to move on and allow him to get a fresh start elsewhere rather than try to bring his salary down for the season.
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I strongly disagree about Quinn's trade value. He may very well end up the highest graded edge rusher on the market.

There are some elite edge rushers who are UFA's this spring but everyone of them is going to get a new deal or franchised. The teams have been pretty open about their intentions.

Frank Clark,Dee Ford,DeMarcus Lawrence,JaDevon Clowney, and others will not hit the open market this year.

This is, of course, all the more reason for the Dolphins to stick with their plan and load up for next year when a few of these edge rushers may actually hit the open market.

This year's free agent market for edge rushers should absolutely suck!!

Therefore, I speculate that Quinn has trade value, especially in view of the contracts premiere edge rushers are getting these days. 13 mil is dirt cheap in view of these contracts in the plus 20 mil a year range.
 
Quinn sucked this year but so did Wake... Something I attribute to the Wide 9 scheme. I think they both have better productivity this year.
 
illscriptures said:
Quinn sucked this year but so did Wake... Something I attribute to the Wide 9 scheme. I think they both have better productivity this year.
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TBH, that's one aspect of the D, that I don't blame on the "wide 9".

Let's face it. Wake is still better than many other DEs, but not close to what he was in his prime. In Quinn's case, his best years are behind .him, as well, but he's was coming on at the end of the year.

It didn't help that our interior line was a patchwork most of the season.
 
illscriptures said:
Quinn sucked this year but so did Wake... Something I attribute to the Wide 9 scheme. I think they both have better productivity this year.
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No, he didn't suck. He was ranked by PFF in the thirties and was their 20th ranked pass rusher.

No, he didn't repeat his former glory, but he also played on a defense that had about 0 for interior pass rush, especially after Vincent Taylor went down with a foot injury.

Dolphin fans were disappointed, myself included, but it is what it is. Wake managed to rank as the 11th best edge rusher but didn't garner many actual sacks because it is very difficult for edge rushers to get home when the pocket isn't being pushed at all.

Real NFL scouts know these kind intricacies. Quinn has trade value. I still think that a Quinn and Godchaux trade to Atlanta for Vic Beasley and a 3rd is a match made in heaven for both teams.
 
Kingdom Come said:
I strongly disagree about Quinn's trade value. He may very well end up the highest graded edge rusher on the market.

There are some elite edge rushers who are UFA's this spring but everyone of them is going to get a new deal or franchised. The teams have been pretty open about their intentions.

Frank Clark,Dee Ford,DeMarcus Lawrence,JaDevon Clowney, and others will not hit the open market this year.

This is, of course, all the more reason for the Dolphins to stick with their plan and load up for next year when a few of these edge rushers may actually hit the open market.

This year's free agent market for edge rushers should absolutely suck!!

Therefore, I speculate that Quinn has trade value, especially in view of the contracts premiere edge rushers are getting these days. 13 mil is dirt cheap in view of these contracts in the plus 20 mil a year range.
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Last year Quinn was the 10th highest paid DE in the NFL, and as of right now next year he's set to be the 9th highest paid DE in the NFL which will probably go to top 15 once other DE's get resigned. Being a top 10 paid player 1 year and top 15 the next is not really "dirt cheap".
 
superphin said:
Last year Quinn was the 10th highest paid DE in the NFL, and as of right now next year he's set to be the 9th highest paid DE in the NFL which will probably go to top 15 once other DE's get resigned. Being a top 10 paid player 1 year and top 15 the next is not really "dirt cheap".
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Looking into the past with the NFL never really works. Just wait and see what the new deals are for the guys mentioned. If not this year, next year.

The Khalil Mack deal....https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/khalil-mack-14414/ is going to affect all new deals for edge rushers. Who knows what the franchise tag in 2020 will be other than......really high.

Look, this is how it really is: Brandon Graham will probably hit the market because the Eagles are in cap hell even when Foles is gone, but he is old now, 31. He is still going to get a fat paycheck, but he is alone at the top of the market for edge rushers.

Peppers is retiring. Aaron Lynch is good against the run and decent in coverage but he offers nothing as a pass rusher, and that is where all the money is. Maybe Zadarius Smith makes it.....doubt it.

Quinn on the trade block will represent a top three edge rusher on the open market, if not the actual top edge rusher available to teams through free agency or trade.

Realistically, 13 mil is now probably closer to average for a veteran starting DE than being considered exorbitant.
 
Kingdom Come said:
Looking into the past with the NFL never really works. Just wait and see what the new deals are for the guys mentioned. If not this year, next year.

The Khalil Mack deal....https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/khalil-mack-14414/ is going to affect all new deals for edge rushers. Who knows what the franchise tag in 2020 will be other than......really high.

Look, this is how it really is: Brandon Graham will probably hit the market because the Eagles are in cap hell even when Foles is gone, but he is old now, 31. He is still going to get a fat paycheck, but he is alone at the top of the market for edge rushers.

Peppers is retiring. Aaron Lynch is good against the run and decent in coverage but he offers nothing as a pass rusher, and that is where all the money is. Maybe Zadarius Smith makes it.....doubt it.

Quinn on the trade block will represent a top three edge rusher on the open market, if not the actual top edge rusher available to teams through free agency or trade.

Realistically, 13 mil is now probably closer to average for a veteran starting DE than being considered exorbitant.
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I don't see how saying he was one of the 10 highest paid DE's in the NFL last year is looking into the past. Sure in a couple of years his salary will probably look small in comparison but saying he is dirty cheap right now is inaccurate. Khalil Mack set the market as a DPOY winner/candidate and top 5 defensive player in the NFL. When JJ Watt set the market back in 2014 with his $16.6 million a year contract which was previously set by Mario Williams in 2012 at $16 million it wasn't until 4 years later in 2016 that 2 more DE's eclipsed $16 million a year. Khalil Mack may have gotten a record breaking contract this year but that doesn't mean it's going to be the new standard anytime soon.

Graham is only 2 years older than Quinn so if you're going to say Graham is old now at 31 than Quinn is not far off at 29. Besides maybe HB there is no-position where a 2 year gap in age would greatly affect interest and value in a player . Not to mention Graham has played 47 games in the last 3 years while Quinn has played 38 making him more of a risk. Also Calais Campbell signed a 4 year $60 million contract at age 31.
 
Love this thread!!! Lots of great feedback from everyone about Quinn who will no doubt be cut and off the roster. Regardless where he ranks and what he was paid or will be paid. He'll be doing his low bend off the edge somewhere else next season.
 
BlueFin said:
Why would Atlanta trade Beasley?
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He's out of place in Atlanta, and he's struggled on a down-to-down basis. Too small to play DE, doesn't have the instincts/experience to play OLB in a 4-3. The real issue for him (keeping in mind I was very high on him coming out of Clemson) is that he's best suited as a true 3-4 WOLB, and that position barely exists - with teams putting more DB's on the field. Moving forward, he may be relegated to a pass-rush specialist.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
He's out of place in Atlanta, and he's struggled on a down-to-down basis. Too small to play DE, doesn't have the instincts/experience to play OLB in a 4-3. The real issue for him (keeping in mind I was very high on him coming out of Clemson) is that he's best suited as a true 3-4 WOLB, and that position barely exists - with teams putting more DB's on the field. Moving forward, he may be relegated to a pass-rush specialist.
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Thanks... I don’t follow Atlanta and I thought I remembered an all pro year.
 
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