Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finsgonewild, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:37 PM.
Tank or try to win games in 2019?
Try as hard as you can. Play as hard as you can. Play to win.
Get young players experience and let the chips fall where they may.
You can’t win whe the team is incompetent
It’s not tanking when 4 wins will be considered over achieving
Always play to win. You can't purposely lose for any certain players. No player is a guaranteed success in the pros and even if they were they could tear a knee or something to pieces the last game of their college and never be the same. You can go younger but you still need vets on the team also for leadership and other things but you always play to win.
Just draft better and put a coaching staff in place that knows what the hell they're doing. And there's no reason this team won't be better next year than this season. There should hopefully be a good draft class to fill some holes and the young players from this season....Fitz, X, Baker, McMillan, Gesicki, etc, should be much improved with more experience and we'll get playmakers like Wilson, Grant back on the field. If we can find a competent qb like Foles, Flacco, a rookie, or whoever, and the coaching is improved...which I don't see how it couldn't be, then this team can compete for the playoffs next season as well.
Depends on the qb play
I want Fromm or Lawrence in the next three years. Not sure what strategy to implement to get there?
I'm just plain tired of not having a winning team, and downright nauseated by not having a high octane offense. Trust me when I say I remember the days when we had Shula and won all the time … they were GREAT! I absolutely loved dominating the league. But I gotta say, even though we didn't win the Super Bowl, I may have enjoyed the Marino years even more. Yes, most of the Marino years were Shula years, but I'm saying that the offensive fireworks were actually more enjoyable than the victories, and in the Marino years we may not have won the Super Bowl, but we still won a lot. We were great, we were NEVER out of a game regardless of the score, and every game we played was truly exhilarating.
We scored lightning fast. We came from behind more than anyone. We scored more than anyone. We just plain blew people out … a lot. Every time we went behind, it just built suspense for a phenomenal comeback. The juices just flowed as we defied the odds and came back to beat smug teams. The fear in the eyes of the other team when Marino started marching down the field barking orders. I don't know what to say … there's just nothing else like it in all of sports. I so miss that.
We're not going to get another Marino, sadly. But he is one of a kind, so that's just how it is.
But damn, I'm sick of never putting up forty-burgers. I'm sick of wondering whether we're going to wilt or defy the odds and come back. I'm tired of expecting us to collapse in the cold weather as the playoff run gets serious. I've had enough of being happy just to make the playoffs. I want the adrenaline back. I want a chance for glory and a high octane offense.
To do that in today's NFL, it means finding a great QB. To get that QB, the Dolphins aren't going to find it anywhere except the 1st round, and likely at the very top few picks in the draft.
IMHO, that guy isn't in the 2019 draft, but I see Jake Fromm and he just might be that guy in the 2020 draft. So after decades of forgettable years … yeah, I'm ready to tank to get that QB.
Fail for Fromm in full force.
It's Murray or tank for me.
I don't recognize that description of the Marino years at all. Nobody I knew in Las Vegas had any respect for that team or the style of play. You could isolate spots to go against them and be semi-shocked if it didn't work. Losing spread record year after year. We always talked about the parlay of playing with the Canes and against the Dolphins on a given weekend. It was amazing how often that cashed. I remember regretting not doing it frequently enough.
My roommate in 1985 and 1986 was a guy named Bobby Bryde. He was from the New York area originally but later lived in Miami and was also a Dolphins/Canes fan. I met Bobby in spring 1984 while watching a Dolphins exhibition game at the Sands sportsbook. Both of us agreed during the 1984 season that even though the Dolphins were tearing up the league with Marino, the style of play would inevitably rip away at the foundation of the team, and the trend would be all but impossible to reverse unless Shula understood what was going on and put a stop to it. I was already using the term cupcake team to describe soft pass minded teams and how that tendency would weaken and cripple the defense. Bobby loved that term. He began using it himself. He became a big deal locally as a hockey expert with the nickname Herr Hockeymeister. I have to give Bobby credit because he used the cupcake term on radio but would always give me credit as the one who coined it.
Sadly, Bobby Bryde got cancer and died young, maybe 13 or 14 years ago.
When the internet became prominent in the '90s I began sampling message boards and was astonished that fellow Dolphins fans viewed the Marino years positively. It didn't seem real. I will always think of those seasons as an absolute betrayal of everything the Dolphins stood for during the early years under Shula.
If Murray falls to 13 - grab him and build an OL. You will know if you have your QB.
If he isn’t the guy, well there is suck for Sunshine in 2021.
Regardless/ clean out these bad contracts.
My thoughts exactly.
I would never advocate for a team to tank. And I don't think you will get any respect from your players if it becomes apparent that they are tanking for some mythical savior to be drafted. Suck for Luck was a fashionable slogan but tell me, how many Super Bowls has he won?
Simply put, show your current players that you are in it to win it and become an attractive landing spot for free agents going forward. These guys don't have it in their DNA to play without the expectation to win.
They didn't tank in KC and ended up with Mahomes.
Good teams don't build a "losing" culture.
I hate the word "tank" meaning coaches aren't trying, players lack talent. I laugh at all the "sky is falling comments lately.
Being realistic, our roster is filled with bloated contracts, past their prime players, draft busts(ie Harris). Our Oline has been crap for years, and we have/had a QB for the past what 7 years in Tanny that just doesn't have "it". Oh and our lack of depth is abysmal.
Our front office structure with Philbin, Aponte, Tannebaum, then Gase utter failure. Ross admits doing the same thing is definition of insanity so he rids himself on Tannebaum and Gase
Allowing for just one voice in Grier instead of many different talking heads. I personally didnt want Grier to get GM job first time around. I have been saying for years our Scouting/Personnel Dept is one the major problems.
If Flores is the guy so be it, and the roster needs a major overhaul imo. With that said I have no expectations for Next Year. Like "Hoops" said it all depends on the QB.
Oh we are definitely tanking. This is my hope. Jim Harbaugh told Ross that if Miami ends up with the 1st pick in the 2020 draft then he will come. Ross then hired Flores for the tank job.