It would be fun as hell to be in the crowd right now and in the city for the rest of the night......
A Resurgence, A Gathering, A Tradition
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It would be fun as hell to be in the crowd right now and in the city for the rest of the night......
retarmyfinfan
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A rousing speech by Philbin. :rotfl1:
That will never fly! More like...
1. be middle of the pack
2. fight for upgrades to cover up the ugly orange seats so nobody on tv can see how empty stadium is
3. ???
4. Log onto the internet and talk about the Marino days
Every year that goes past I appreciate the ole school Dolphin teams and coaches more and more.
From 1970 - 1995 the Dolphins were an NFL team with character.This new GM needs to do his home work and find a young coach that it can grow around for years to come like Shula.I Havent given up on Philbin,but he really only has next year IMO to show he's team worthy.
From 1970 - 1995 the Dolphins were an NFL team with character.This new GM needs to do his home work and find a young coach that it can grow around for years to come like Shula.I Havent given up on Philbin,but he really only has next year IMO to show he's team worthy.
If Miami is smart, they'll try to get a piece of that Seattle FO.
Hence the delay in announcing the new GM. Some here would be content with Farmer or Hickey. Those guys are 2nd tier. Go for the big fish.
Seattle's McGloughlin should be swept off his feet by Ross. Make an offer that he cannot refuse.
tl77
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Clearly Florida needs to legalize cannabis. Then the Super Bowls will come.
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build a new stadium with creative architecture that gets the fans closer to the action then any other stadium and you will have what you wish for.
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the stadium design engages the fans into the action Nublar, when the fans are engaged into the game, when they are close enough, they can then impact the teams performance and the game, thus giving them purpose and reason to unite.
Sun life is a spectator type stadium, the distance creates the opposite effect of the feeling of being engaged into the game..because of that disconnect all type of bad things come with it culturally.
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if they were smart, if any owner was smart, they'd build their own stadium with a design that intimidates thru intimacy.
The easiest way is to steal someone else's tradition, just like the Seahawks did.
https://giving.tamu.edu/news/headline-news/trademark.aspx
djphinfan is correct. Seemingly he only posts here regarding this topic, but his words should be stenciled on Stephen Ross' forehead. Make it backwards, so they read properly when he looks in the mirror.
The stadium won't do it by itself. The first season or so in the Seattle venue are irrelevant. It has to be constructed to enable maximum benefit when the team is capable and the stands packed. When I was a kid I can't tell you how good it felt to head to the Orange Bowl for those early '70s Dolphin games, knowing that the opponent would be shell shocked. I couldn't get the grin off my face.
Then the same benefit transferred to Canes games in their heyday.
I've posted the specifics on many sites. We essentially threw away 2.5 points per game on average when we abandoned the Orange Bowl for Sun Life. If that doesn't sound like much, you're nuts. As a bettor it costs 10 cents, from -110 to -120 juice, just to buy a half point. Only a premier quarterback is worth 2.5 points per game.
The best way I know how to compare is to use road performance to gauge the level of the team over an extended period, and then adjust by 5.4 points to arrive at an expected home margin. Fans and media round to 3 points for home field advantage in football but it's actually closer to 2.7 points in the NFL.
From 1966 to 1986 the Dolphins averaged 20.56 points per game on the road while allowing 19.95, for a net of +.61 per game. That should align with a home edge of +6.0 (.6 + 5.4). But the Orange Bowl was responsible for an amazing +7.5 net. Miami averaged 24.31 while allowing 16.79. That means the Orange Bowl accounted for roughly 1.5 points per game above expectation. The defensive number of 16.79 is the lowest I've ever seen for that type of duration, 21 seasons. It indicates to me that the Orange Bowl noise level enabled the defense to play above its actual level.
The 21 year period from '66 through '86 is a good balance because it includes expansion years, dynasty years and moderate years. During short stretches a team may be comparatively very good or very poor on the road but over 21 seasons it evens out, so the road numbers are representative of the overall level, IMO.
From 1987 forth, the Dolphins have averaged 19.24 in road games while allowing 21.40 for a net of -2.16. Note that the overall level of the team declined sharply compared to 1966-1986. That's why you can't make a direct comparison from the Orange Bowl numbers to the Sun Life numbers. But even the adjusted net is devastating. Miami has scored 21.54 at home in this stadium while allowing 19.23 for a net of +2.31. Given the road numbers, however, the expectation in Sun Life should be +3.24, which is a 5.4 point adjustment from the road net of -2.16.
My conclusion is Sun Life plays 1 point worse than the typical football home venue, while the Orange Bowl was a phenomenal 1.5 points superior to the norm. Anyone who wagers frequently will notice that bettors play against the Dolphins in the late going in the majority of their home games. The line typically moves either a half point or full point toward the visitor on Sunday morning. That is not a coincidence and it's been going on for more than a decade. The speculators compile numbers like the ones I've detailed, and they realize that Sun Life is not worth the full 2.7 points.
I should point out that I've yet to add the 2013 home and road numbers to the data. But obviously it would move the numbers only a fraction of a point, if that. We certainly didn't demonstrate home prowess with the 4 defeats.
The stadium won't do it by itself. The first season or so in the Seattle venue are irrelevant. It has to be constructed to enable maximum benefit when the team is capable and the stands packed. When I was a kid I can't tell you how good it felt to head to the Orange Bowl for those early '70s Dolphin games, knowing that the opponent would be shell shocked. I couldn't get the grin off my face.
Then the same benefit transferred to Canes games in their heyday.
I've posted the specifics on many sites. We essentially threw away 2.5 points per game on average when we abandoned the Orange Bowl for Sun Life. If that doesn't sound like much, you're nuts. As a bettor it costs 10 cents, from -110 to -120 juice, just to buy a half point. Only a premier quarterback is worth 2.5 points per game.
The best way I know how to compare is to use road performance to gauge the level of the team over an extended period, and then adjust by 5.4 points to arrive at an expected home margin. Fans and media round to 3 points for home field advantage in football but it's actually closer to 2.7 points in the NFL.
From 1966 to 1986 the Dolphins averaged 20.56 points per game on the road while allowing 19.95, for a net of +.61 per game. That should align with a home edge of +6.0 (.6 + 5.4). But the Orange Bowl was responsible for an amazing +7.5 net. Miami averaged 24.31 while allowing 16.79. That means the Orange Bowl accounted for roughly 1.5 points per game above expectation. The defensive number of 16.79 is the lowest I've ever seen for that type of duration, 21 seasons. It indicates to me that the Orange Bowl noise level enabled the defense to play above its actual level.
The 21 year period from '66 through '86 is a good balance because it includes expansion years, dynasty years and moderate years. During short stretches a team may be comparatively very good or very poor on the road but over 21 seasons it evens out, so the road numbers are representative of the overall level, IMO.
From 1987 forth, the Dolphins have averaged 19.24 in road games while allowing 21.40 for a net of -2.16. Note that the overall level of the team declined sharply compared to 1966-1986. That's why you can't make a direct comparison from the Orange Bowl numbers to the Sun Life numbers. But even the adjusted net is devastating. Miami has scored 21.54 at home in this stadium while allowing 19.23 for a net of +2.31. Given the road numbers, however, the expectation in Sun Life should be +3.24, which is a 5.4 point adjustment from the road net of -2.16.
My conclusion is Sun Life plays 1 point worse than the typical football home venue, while the Orange Bowl was a phenomenal 1.5 points superior to the norm. Anyone who wagers frequently will notice that bettors play against the Dolphins in the late going in the majority of their home games. The line typically moves either a half point or full point toward the visitor on Sunday morning. That is not a coincidence and it's been going on for more than a decade. The speculators compile numbers like the ones I've detailed, and they realize that Sun Life is not worth the full 2.7 points.
I should point out that I've yet to add the 2013 home and road numbers to the data. But obviously it would move the numbers only a fraction of a point, if that. We certainly didn't demonstrate home prowess with the 4 defeats.
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I thought he already turned us down.
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Much respect to you Sir..
If Steven Ross truly had real estate vision, he would know that this isn't just about helping one program in his futile efforts to put lipstick on a pig, if he was smart and understood what were saying here, he could rebuild the cultures of two storied programs that got their history and fame from a venue that had intimacy built into the spec..This vision should have The canes program involved.
In the process of building a venue dedicated to the 12th man concept, he would attract new young fans, he would be giving a competitive advantage to both local football teams, he would capitalize monetarily on the swell of what a 12 man concept can produce, the buzz, the merchandise,the desire to be part of affecting your teams performance would start to bring people to the venue just to get a whiff of the energy, let alone the attractiveness of other world events and superbowls..It spreads like fire..This is how you unite and build two cultures at once in the most efficient way possible..Any plans of this endeavor should always include the canes..But that would take an ever greater capacity to understand the full vision..
The NFL owners up until this point have been to worried about big screens, hand held devices and wifi capabilities to combat the topic of " why is attendance dropping and more people are staying at home to watch football"... They didn't get it, they didn't get that the real solution is right in front of their eyes..
Until now...Recently the NFL has released a statement that "the future of the stadiums in the league will be built smaller more intimately"
I guess Seattles success had to slap them in the mouth over and over again that it IS the solution, and that it is a wonderful, concrete, even explosive, investment opportunity..
Everything that has happened and evolving into, in Seattle, is on the record for me, ever since I first saw the way the stadium was built..It's all just simple logistics..
Their fans like to think they are what makes the difference..
I know that we are in a very small minority that understand how crippling this disadvantage is, I would bet anything that our players are part of our minority..
People should ask themselves, why does the product always look the same, the names change, the numbers change, the coaches change too, but the lack of emotional football at home always stays the same...Well, when your a player and your introduced, to look into the stands and see less than half full stands, to see that the other half sitting on their ass to think that those factors aren't going to affect their emotional investment, like you say, their nuts..this is when the subconscious becomes dangerous, subconsciously they know they can't affect the game, so why arrive early..
Will a winning product help with attendance and ticket sales?, of course, but this stadium will always bring you back to a means to an end..It cannot sustain or reach the noise level it takes to impact an opponent, or to inspire a fanbase to engage them.
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