a step backwards?!?!

[ChambersWI]

Look, at first glance its a shock. I was angry at first as well. You see the headline "Dolphins Add 4 Players" and you expect to see Teyo Johnson, JT OSullivan, Willie Middlebrooks etc. etc. and you see guys you never heard of being added in place of guys we have been talking about for a month. But, when you think about it, it has little impact on our starters, and Saban must believe that these guys were ineffective and not worth carrying... so lets bring in some new blood that will work their tails off to keep their jobs.

you know want to know why we didn't pick those guys up? If we claim them off Waivers we inherit their contracts. Middlebrooks was a 1st round pick, Teyo a 2nd round pick. Those two by themselves is alot of money. Sullivan was a 4/5 round pick I believe, not exactly cheap.

Eckel is a good player, but FBs don't normally get drafted especially if they play for a weaker school. The guys we picked up came into the league mostly as 6th or 7th round picks or UDFAs. Their making close to nothing. If we sign Middlebrooks and/or Teyo to contracts tonight we will get them cheaper than we would have if we claimed them off waivers.

 

[byroan]

this is the way I look at it.

with waivers, you have to assume the players contract from their previous team. Thats the reason that there's no chance of anybody picking up AJ off waivers or trading for him for that matter.

when these players become FAs, you can sign them to any contract that you'd like.

For example, say Teyo had 3 years left, and 2 mil left on his deal. Then he gets waived. The Dolphins put in a claim, and then must pay him the rest of that deal.

Now, instead, Teyo clears waivers and is now a FA. The Dolphins offer him a 3 year, 1.5 mil deal, and he accepts. The Dolphins just saved some cap room right there

Shhhh...you're not allowed to make sense.

 

[painnotpleasure]

A team that had only 4 wins last year and 12 losses, can't take a step back too far... Definitely some questionable moves but there were a good chance that Mario Edwards, Josh Shaw, Kris Richard, and Alex Holmes were going to get released a couple days ago. Now as for these new youthful guys we brought in, we're not going to know what they have to offer until we see them play. I personally am very happy about the signing of Tim McGill and feel that he gives us more youth and talent to our DT position which is something that definitely could use.

 

[Dudeman]

Look, at first glance its a shock. I was angry at first as well. You see the headline "Dolphins Add 4 Players" and you expect to see Teyo Johnson, JT OSullivan, Willie Middlebrooks etc. etc. and you see guys you never heard of being added in place of guys we have been talking about for a month. But, when you think about it, it has little impact on our starters, and Saban must believe that these guys were ineffective and not worth carrying... so lets bring in some new blood that will work their tails off to keep their jobs.

also, on the Teyo front. The 49ers didn't claim him either. They had first dibs on anybody yet picked up a cheaper alternative in Trent Smith. Johnson's contract had to have had some messy clauses or escalators or something, becausehe definitely has the ability

 

[Dolfan1000]

you know want to know why we didn't pick those guys up? If we claim them off Waivers we inherit their contracts. Middlebrooks was a 1st round pick, Teyo a 2nd round pick. Those two by themselves is alot of money. Sullivan was a 4/5 round pick I believe, not exactly cheap.

Eckel is a good player, but FBs don't normally get drafted especially if they play for a weaker school. The guys we picked up came into the league mostly as 6th or 7th round picks or UDFAs. Their making close to nothing. If we sign Middlebrooks and/or Teyo to contracts tonight we will get them cheaper than we would have if we claimed them off waivers.

I understand that now, which is why I said I WAS shocked, and now have cooled off. I know we are not done.

 

[pigskinguy]

Some of you guys make me laugh. You act like Saban just rolled outta bed this morning, looked in the mirror and said,
"You know, I think I will cut Holmes, Richard, Shaw and.........I guess....... Edwards. And I will sign Eckel, Heller, Jackson and..........what's that guy's name from the Jets.........the DT.............right, McGill. Yeah that's what I'll do."
C'mon, what has ever given you the impression that Saban anything other than calculated and methodically. This was all done on purpose and for a reason. A reason none of us has any clue of, but you can be assured Saban knows EXACTLY why.
So let's just relax and see what happens.

 

[Bigbucks24]

I dont understand why there are so many people questioning these moves.

Saban said from the very beginning that there were players that just weren't buying into his philosophy, and that he was very concerned about the depth.

Randy Mueller didn't win Executive of the year just by baking cookies for the awards commitee

Brownies? No, I get it. Parfait. Everyone likes parfait.

 

[Bigbucks24]

Saban is a pretty clear thinker. I believe they have done their homework on these guys and furthermore no other team is very likely to pick up the guys he let go. Therefore at the very least Saban gets to look at these new guys and if somebody does not work out he can probably still re-sign the guy who was cut.

Well said. This might be the first time I have agreed with your post. I'm not sure if that is good or bad for you.

 

[jbond]

wow....we traded non-starters for other non-starters......why? Maybe one of the new guys will be better then the ones we lost. Didn't have much to lose so why not. Saban's trying to improve the depth of the team. He thinks we suck in depth right now (not overly hard to understand when you watched our 2nd/3rd stringers get smeared in preseason) so they couldn't get much worse as a group. I'm all for it.

 

[unifiedtheory]

wow....we traded non-starters for other non-starters......why? Maybe one of the new guys will be better then the ones we lost. Didn't have much to lose so why not. Saban's trying to improve the depth of the team. He thinks we suck in depth right now (not overly hard to understand when you watched our 2nd/3rd stringers get smeared in preseason) so they couldn't get much worse as a group. I'm all for it.

This is something I've been thinking about today while people have been on there "the sky is falling" rants.

We replaced the bottom 4 guys on our roster with 4 different bottom 4 guys.

I will probably happen a few more times during the season...

People need to relax a little.

 

[so-long-Ricky]

This is something I've been thinking about today while people have been on there "the sky is falling" rants.

We replaced the bottom 4 guys on our roster with 4 different bottom 4 guys.

I will probably happen a few more times during the season...

People need to relax a little.

I agree......you fin fans have to relax a little. I personally don't buy into the idea of "Saban is a genius" or "Saban is a clear thinker" until he proves himself as a head coach in the NFL. But, at the same time he definitely deserves the benefit of doubt until proven other wise.

 

[arnoldu]

I trust Lord Saban

:allhail:

 

[bakedmatt]

Look, at first glance its a shock. I was angry at first as well. You see the headline "Dolphins Add 4 Players" and you expect to see Teyo Johnson, JT OSullivan, Willie Middlebrooks etc. etc. and you see guys you never heard of being added in place of guys we have been talking about for a month. But, when you think about it, it has little impact on our starters, and Saban must believe that these guys were ineffective and not worth carrying... so lets bring in some new blood that will work their tails off to keep their jobs.

Oh crap, you got it! :clap:

 

[NJFinFury2004]

[QUOTE='Phins & 'Canes]Really?

You were "stoked" about our 53 last night? Must not take much to make you happy.

But seriously, I can see being apprehensive about new faces when the original 53 at least went through all of training camp and the preseason and the staff at least knew what we had. With new faces you never know. But at least with McGill, there were seven teams that had him on their want list, so I feel pretty good about him. The FB is supposed to be a bruiser. And hey, the CB position, well I haven't felt good about that since Surtain left so...whatever![/QUOTE]

:yeahthat:

 

[igor79]

is it just me?...or do you guys feel that we took a step backwards today?...with the release of 4 guys on our team and the signings of 4 unknowns... I don't feel good about it at all....i was stoked with the original 53 man roster...and now with the release of two corners we lack depth at that position...can someone give me an idea of what Coach Saban is trying to do with this team?

if anyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of a secondary its saban