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According to this site Dolphins have the worst fans in the NFL.

at this point, can we please stop blaming the fans for lack of support? I mean really, 10 seasons of crap, nearly 30 years an no superbowl appearance, the fans didn't cause that, the team has let the fans down.

While true it doesn't explain why Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, etc. has support irregardless. I know we get into this discussion all the time so there is no real answer. We like to poke fun at the city of Buffalo by saying there's nothing else to do there outside of watching a Bills game. But the whole game experience can be only 5 hours on a Sunday, once a week, and 8 times a year. It isn't too much to ask people to not go to the mall, or beach, or do something else during football Sunday.

At least in the beginning of the season I'd love to see the stadium close to or completely sold out. No excuses for the stadium not to be close to packed vs. Carolina. For those that will criticize me or ask me why I'm not going on Sunday, my daughter was born 12 days ago so I'm on in-house lock down.

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to be fair there's not really much else going on in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

You been there to personally witness it being such a boring city?
 
I have feeling if a lot of these fans posting here, came down here to live, they wouldn't spend a damn dime going to games! Its just really easy to blame the fans, when you are living in another city on a Fan Forum! All you need to use is the excuse:

Well, if I lived there, I would go!

Well then, common down! Help us fill the stadium! MIAMI welcomes you with open arms!

My post is directed at posters who constantly bitch about us down here. For those of us who do go to the games, it gets to a point where you are insulting us as a city.

I've always wanted to move to South Florida. It's been a dream of mine since I was a teenager. It isn't something I can do now as I'm only in my house for 2 1/2 years now (30 year mortgage) so there's no chance I can move. But it isn't about me either b/c I'm married with a newborn daughter.

I 100% believe that if I moved there I'd go to all the games. I'll never fully know until I go down and live there (if that day was to ever come).
 
Woohoo we won!! Way to go guys! we fought hard, overcame the adversity and now look at us! #1!
 
I have feeling if a lot of these fans posting here, came down here to live, they wouldn't spend a damn dime going to games! Its just really easy to blame the fans, when you are living in another city on a Fan Forum! All you need to use is the excuse:

Well, if I lived there, I would go!

Well then, common down! Help us fill the stadium! MIAMI welcomes you with open arms!

My post is directed at posters who constantly bitch about us down here. For those of us who do go to the games, it gets to a point where you are insulting us as a city.

i'm glad you go to all the games. I probably spent enough for tix for half the season coming down to see the Pats game last year. It was sheer embarrassment. And i'm not talking about the game. Absolutely pathetic fan base.
 
The fans here aren't the problem. It's always amusing when the die hards that post here are all like, " DUDE WTF I GO TO LOTS OF GAMES MIAMI FANS ARE FINE!"

The problem is that there aren't enough of us. Most Miami fans just suck. Badly. We show up late to Heat games and leave before the game ends. We are in the middle of a wildcard run and all we can talk about is firing our GM and blowing everything up and starting from scratch again. We add to the media circus by funding stupid plane messages around the stadium. We don't show up to games. We find excuses why we don't. It's terrible.
 
The guy us spot on about the Pats fans. See it first hand living in NY, can't remember on Pats fan when I was in college but as soon as Brady started winning they came out of the woodwork.

100% wrong about Buffalo fans, Buffalo fans aren't even close to being the #1 fanbase in the NFL. I can't remember a Buffalo fan in upstate NY growing up in the 70"s and 80's. Once Kelly, Smith, Thomas, Reid and Co. started winning, just like the Pats they started coming out of every corner. New York state is a Giant's state, Giant fans control much more restate than listed on that map. I might even make the argument that Buffalo in the 70's and 80's were fourth hat to the Giants, Jets and Pitt in New York State.

At best Buffalo moved close to the Giants but they have never supplanted them in NYS, so I call BS on the ranking.
 
The Fins have world wide fans.
The first problem with Miami now is that most of the new arrivals to the city and area have no connection to football and the Shula years.
The second issue is the stadium that Joe built with his own funding. It is located in a less desirable area. The area around the Orange bowl was much better. A newer more modern stadium in south Palm Beach would be more desirable.
The third issue is all the losing, the incompetence, and the embarrassment of the franchise on a continuing basis.
Not a great way to win over the population of Greater Miami..most of whom would rather watch cricket, soccer, or go to Haitian church on Sundays.
 
The fans here aren't the problem. It's always amusing when the die hards that post here are all like, " DUDE WTF I GO TO LOTS OF GAMES MIAMI FANS ARE FINE!"

The problem is that there aren't enough of us. Most Miami fans just suck. Badly. We show up late to Heat games and leave before the game ends. We are in the middle of a wildcard run and all we can talk about is firing our GM and blowing everything up and starting from scratch again. We add to the media circus by funding stupid plane messages around the stadium. We don't show up to games. We find excuses why we don't. It's terrible.

There are 10's of thousands of season ticket holders like me that have had enough. I supported the team for 20 years with 4 season tickets. That ended in 2003. The experience wasn't the same for me. I almost felt like I had to go instead of wanting to go. I really do not miss it. I had plenty of fun during the Shula years, and it was somewhat entertaining with Johnson and later on with dumbo ears.
Time for all of you complainers to pick up the slack.
 
The little known secret was, Miami never really had fans. Hollywood, Miramar, Pembroke Pines, Cooper City, did. In other words, Broward County. The demographic of those fans were mostly suburban, family oriented. They trecked to the Orange Bowl faithfully, risking life and limb, parking their cars on the front lawns of strangers, and sitting on hard plastic seats, rain or shine. We badly needed another stadium, so Joe Robbie made one. He catered to the fact that most of the paying fans were one county over, by actually moving the stadium in that direction. However, with the new stadium, almost immediately, some of the mystique was gone. It was a less intimate venue, and even when fully packed, less loud. Also, as someone pointed out, although the stadium is between the two counties, it's not in an exciting area. It's a dead zone.

Still, JRS had a good run. The fans came. BUT...it was still very hot at the games, and getting hotter every year, and became more and more expensive. Florida is one of the lowest wage states in the nation. Shelling out big bucks for football games became a luxury, and for many was not even an option.

Forces outside The Miami Dolphin's control were facilitating a drop-off in attendance, for example, changes in technology and lifestyle. Other cities have a "going downtown" lifestyle, and are used to getting out of their houses and spending money, doing things and being in crowds. Here, we stay in our houses. We kept buying bigger and bigger ones, outfitting them with flat screen tv's and big recliners. We began watching the games at home. And add to that now, are our internet connections, laptops, tablets, red-zone channels, blogs, etc, which create more activity outside of the stadium. Simply put, all this sports technology and 24-7 Espn coverage, hasn't increased stadium attendance, it's decreased it. You can get a sports fix, a sports experience, without even setting foot outside your house. I imagine this phenomenon happens elsewhere too, but more pronounced in Florida because of our propensity to cocoon, and our changing demographic.

So let's talk about the demographic. As I stated before, they were suburban, not city-folk. Where are they? Well, many of them have moved north. The same reason folks moved from the city (Miami) to the burbs in Broward (Pembroke Pines), is exactly why they moved to places like Winter Park and Port St. Lucie. (it was less crowded and less expensive). What about the fans still here? Well, less and less went. As I said, it used to be a family experience. But the stadium atmosphere became more roudy, and the chances of getting a beer dumped on you by a drunken fan, were higher than ever before. Not sure why that was, maybe because as families sold season tickets, it opened up the seats to other people, and soon enough you'd look around and be surrounded by idiots, or by fans of visiting teams hollaring at you. That created a domino effect, with more fans turning in their season tickets. So who was still going to games? The loyal few, and a few new fans who moved to Florida and started getting interested in the team, during the exciting Marino years.

We all know what happened after that. After Marino, there wasn't much to get excited about. Fans stopped going. Which means, they weren't bringing their kids to games, either. WHICH MEANS...a lost generation of kids who have no loyalty to this football team. Case in point, my brother's kids root for another team, or are more into basketball.

So where is Ross? Between a rock and a hard place, that's where. He can't magically turn back to clock and convert that lost generation. Will winning help? Yes, of course, it will fill seats. But the seats won't likely be filled by young people, because those young people in Miami are more into basketball than football, or have been raised on soccer, or have friends who are of a different culture (Argentina, Venezuella, Puerto Rico, Chile, Philipines, etc), and therefore are not inclined to get all excited about going to a football game. No, the seats will be filled by desperate fans from the Marino or Griese years, who are happy we're winning some games and want to hear that old fight song again.

Will that sustain the team? No. What we need, is another Dan Marino. What we need, is a draw for young people. The same way Tiger Woods is a draw, or King James is a draw. Someone who will transcend culture and race, who will give people a reason to root for the team, buy merchandise, and start getting interested in Dolphin football. How many RGIII Jerseys did fans buy? I'll bet a whole lot.
 
The little known secret was, Miami never really had fans. Hollywood, Miramar, Pembroke Pines, Cooper City, did. In other words, Broward County. The demographic of those fans were mostly suburban, family oriented. They trecked to the Orange Bowl faithfully, risking life and limb, parking their cars on the front lawns of strangers, and sitting on hard plastic seats, rain or shine. We badly needed another stadium, so Joe Robbie made one. He catered to the fact that most of the paying fans were one county over, by actually moving the stadium in that direction. However, with the new stadium, almost immediately, some of the mystique was gone. It was a less intimate venue, and even when fully packed, less loud. Also, as someone pointed out, although the stadium is between the two counties, it's not in an exciting area. It's a dead zone.

Still, JRS had a good run. The fans came. BUT...it was still very hot at the games, and getting hotter every year, and became more and more expensive. Florida is one of the lowest wage states in the nation. Shelling out big bucks for football games became a luxury, and for many was not even an option.

Forces outside The Miami Dolphin's control were facilitating a drop-off in attendance, for example, changes in technology and lifestyle. Other cities have a "going downtown" lifestyle, and are used to getting out of their houses and spending money, doing things and being in crowds. Here, we stay in our houses. We kept buying bigger and bigger ones, outfitting them with flat screen tv's and big recliners. We began watching the games at home. And add to that now, are our internet connections, laptops, tablets, red-zone channels, blogs, etc, which create more activity outside of the stadium. Simply put, all this sports technology and 24-7 Espn coverage, hasn't increased stadium attendance, it's decreased it. You can get a sports fix, a sports experience, without even setting foot outside your house. I imagine this phenomenon happens elsewhere too, but more pronounced in Florida because of our propensity to cocoon, and our changing demographic.

So let's talk about the demographic. As I stated before, they were suburban, not city-folk. Where are they? Well, many of them have moved north. The same reason folks moved from the city (Miami) to the burbs in Broward (Pembroke Pines), is exactly why they moved to places like Winter Park and Port St. Lucie. (it was less crowded and less expensive). What about the fans still here? Well, less and less went. As I said, it used to be a family experience. But the stadium atmosphere became more roudy, and the chances of getting a beer dumped on you by a drunken fan, were higher than ever before. Not sure why that was, maybe because as families sold season tickets, it opened up the seats to other people, and soon enough you'd look around and be surrounded by idiots, or by fans of visiting teams hollaring at you. That created a domino effect, with more fans turning in their season tickets. So who was still going to games? The loyal few, and a few new fans who moved to Florida and started getting interested in the team, during the exciting Marino years.

We all know what happened after that. After Marino, there wasn't much to get excited about. Fans stopped going. Which means, they weren't bringing their kids to games, either. WHICH MEANS...a lost generation of kids who have no loyalty to this football team. Case in point, my brother's kids root for another team, or are more into basketball.

So where is Ross? Between a rock and a hard place, that's where. He can't magically turn back to clock and convert that lost generation. Will winning help? Yes, of course, it will fill seats. But the seats won't likely be filled by young people, because those young people in Miami are more into basketball than football, or have been raised on soccer, or have friends who are of a different culture (Argentina, Venezuella, Puerto Rico, Chile, Philipines, etc), and therefore are not inclined to get all excited about going to a football game. No, the seats will be filled by desperate fans from the Marino or Griese years, who are happy we're winning some games and want to hear that old fight song again.

Will that sustain the team? No. What we need, is another Dan Marino. What we need, is a draw for young people. The same way Tiger Woods is a draw, or King James is a draw. Someone who will transcend culture and race, who will give people a reason to root for the team, buy merchandise, and start getting interested in Dolphin football. How many RGIII Jerseys did fans buy? I'll bet a whole lot.


Great post. You covered it all better than i could have put it.
If i may add..
Not to mention the loss of good paying middle class industrial and construction jobs when the broward and Dade counties essentially because built out in the late 90's.
All the new growth and vitality is occurring around Orlando and in Georgia, South, and North Carolina. The quality of life is better there too.
South Florida is becoming blighted, and so has the football team.
You are right though. All of the energy can be ignited with a star player...but then we are being lead by Ross and Ireland...
 
Great post. You covered it all better than i could have put it.
If i may add..
Not to mention the loss of good paying middle class industrial and construction jobs when the broward and Dade counties essentially because built out in the late 90's.
All the new growth and vitality is occurring around Orlando and in Georgia, South, and North Carolina. The quality of life is better there too.
South Florida is becoming blighted, and so has the football team.
You are right though. All of the energy can be ignited with a star player...but then we are being lead by Ross and Ireland...

You summed it up nicely. And yes, those jobs died. One industry which sustained a lot of excellent paying jobs here was the airline industry. Many of those have gone under. Real estate is another, as you mentioned. The land is built out, as you said. Arvida I think isn't even in business anymore, although I consider this a town owned by developers still, by and large.

Becoming older, blighted, like you said, that's what we are. The city of Miami itself of course is growing and will always be vibrant, but that culture is not Miami Dolphin football culture. The middle class burbs...that's where the ticketholders were, and that's who took a hit.
 
If true, then it is obvious that the South Florida area demographic will not adequately financially support a professional football team and will eventually be relocated.

Although a bad thing for the local fans overall for the long term success of the organization it may be the right decision.
 
If true, then it is obvious that the South Florida area demographic will not adequately financially support a professional football team and will eventually be relocated.

Although a bad thing for the local fans overall for the long term success of the organization it may be the right decision.

Well, I never said we were detroit! lol. I think there's room for football, and in a sense, this will always be a football town even with the Heat here, and hockey and baseball, because it was the first real legendary sports team in this area, and those roots run deep. It's just that our pockets are not so deep anymore, and the team has been losing for so many years, that people wonder why they should buck the traffic and shell out all that cash, just to watch them lose. It will be a challenge for Ross.
 
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