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my statement might have been confusing. I wasn't blaming the dolphins defense for the loss. I was just saying geno played against the dolphins D, just like tannehill played against the jets D. Geno smith had nothing to do with tannehill's performance...is all I was saying.

understood, However QB's will always be judged with records against there competing QB's even though they don't directly play against them.

See Brady/Manning, Manning/Rivers etc... Just the way it is.
 
If you look at the 2 Jet TD drives in that game it was mostly Geno doing the damage.
5-5 for 49 yards on the 1st drive with a key 3rd down run by Geno to keep the drive going. Then they let the RB take it in for the TD.
Then 3-7 for 53 yards on the 2nd drive with a 3rd down passing conversion and another 3rd down run for the the TD by Geno.

After that the Jets had a lead and Rex went pretty conservative knowing we wouldn't score against his defense again

He played very well that day and ended the season playing well in the last 4 games. I don't know if he will be a good QB but I can tell you I felt much better about his rookie year after those last 4 games than I did the first 12 and people need to realize he didn't play in a conventional O at WVU, he was not ready to pay but was forced into action and he was terrible most of the year but he survived and got better which I think is a good sign.

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don't you mean the gimmick play where the defensive tackle ran the football in for a TD? lol

you don't think we could have run it in w/ another back?
 
Geno had nothing to do w/ Ryan's performance, he just outplayed him and helped his team win despite playing w/ less talent around him and facing a better D.

And how does that matter, when comparing qb's, and who is the better overall qb? oh, it doesn't, so your statement is still retarded.

Tannehill outplayed Brady, despite having a worse oline.
 
If you look at the 2 Jet TD drives in that game it was mostly Geno doing the damage.
5-5 for 49 yards on the 1st drive with a key 3rd down run by Geno to keep the drive going. Then they let the RB take it in for the TD.
Then 3-7 for 53 yards on the 2nd drive with a 3rd down passing conversion and another 3rd down run for the the TD by Geno.

After that the Jets had a lead and Rex went pretty conservative knowing we wouldn't score against his defense again

That has more to do with the Dolphins defense being unable to stop anybody on 3rd down. It's a problem that has existed for years. I miss the days of 3rd and 4th down stops and goal line stands.
 
understood, However QB's will always be judged with records against there competing QB's even though they don't directly play against them.

See Brady/Manning, Manning/Rivers etc... Just the way it is.

So you currently think geno smith and tannehill are right on par with each other? since geno is 1-1 "against tannehill"?

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He played very well that day and ended the season playing well in the last 4 games. I don't know if he will be a good QB but I can tell you I felt much better about his rookie year after those last 4 games than I did the first 12 and people need to realize he didn't play in a conventional O at WVU, he was not ready to pay but was forced into action and he was terrible most of the year but he survived and got better which I think is a good sign.

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you don't think we could have run it in w/ another back?



no, and obviously rex didn't think so either, or else he wouldn't have used a gimmick play, and just ran in with a RB...
 
don't you mean the gimmick play where the defensive tackle ran the football in for a TD? lol

Yeah they pounded us pretty good with the run that game. Even their defensive linemen ran it down our throat. LOL
D was playing well until RT17 missed that wide open bomb to Wallace. Then they came unraveled for the rest of the game.
 
So you currently think geno smith and tannehill are right on par with each other? since geno is 1-1 "against tannehill"?

Doesn't really matter what I think. History will show who played better when they were on opposites sides of the field. The one with the better record will be the one who is still around when the other is gone. Just the way it works.

For the record I think RT17 is currently better than Geno. But his 4-8 record against the AFC east will get him fired if he doesn't improve. 2-4 just won't cut it in each of his seasons.
 
Doesn't really matter what I think. History will show who played better when they were on opposites sides of the field. The one with the better record will be the one who is still around when the other is gone. Just the way it works.

For the record I think RT17 is currently better than Geno. But his 4-8 record against the AFC east will get him fired if he doesn't improve. 2-4 just won't cut it in each of his seasons.

I'm not even sure what that means. lol So you are saying if a QB consistently loses vs a particular team, then that qb will probably not be in the league very long? Just trying to clarify your statement.
 
And how does that matter, when comparing qb's, and who is the better overall qb? oh, it doesn't, so your statement is still retarded.

Tannehill outplayed Brady, despite having a worse oline.

nowhere did I say geno was better than him for the 2013 season, simply stating a fact that in the biggest game of Ryan's career he was badly outplayed by a guy you guys thinks is awful.


Ryan had more talent around him and a better D facing NE than Brady had facing Miami. Brady was in the title game, Ryan out of the playoffs.

That has more to do with the Dolphins defense being unable to stop anybody on 3rd down. It's a problem that has existed for years. I miss the days of 3rd and 4th down stops and goal line stands.

That D did keep you in most games and was certainly a playoff caliber D.

So you currently think geno smith and tannehill are right on par with each other? since geno is 1-1 "against tannehill"?

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no, and obviously rex didn't think so either, or else he wouldn't have used a gimmick play, and just ran in with a RB...


ok, if you say so. 1st and G at the 1, I'm sure we wouldn't have scored in 4 tries w/ our regular RBs.:lol:
 
I'm not even sure what that means. lol So you are saying if a QB consistently loses vs a particular team, then that qb will probably not be in the league very long? Just trying to clarify your statement.

Yes if you consistently lose to your division rival you will be without a job with that team. You may get a backup job with another team or if lucky another starting role elsewhere.
The window of opportunity for an NFL QB is very small.
 
He played very well that day and ended the season playing well in the last 4 games. I don't know if he will be a good QB but I can tell you I felt much better about his rookie year after those last 4 games than I did the first 12 and people need to realize he didn't play in a conventional O at WVU, he was not ready to pay but was forced into action and he was terrible most of the year but he survived and got better which I think is a good sign.

If you compare Geno's 1st season with Ryan's 1st I would say they are very comparable. Both started badly with over matched QB's that turned it over too much. Then near the end of the season they both got better and stopped turning the ball over and started winning games consistently. If Geno improves like Ryan did in his second year you could have a decent QB.
 
nowhere did I say geno was better than him for the 2013 season, simply stating a fact that in the biggest game of Ryan's career he was badly outplayed by a guy you guys thinks is awful.


Ryan had more talent around him and a better D facing NE than Brady had facing Miami. Brady was in the title game, Ryan out of the playoffs.



That D did keep you in most games and was certainly a playoff caliber D.




ok, if you say so. 1st and G at the 1, I'm sure we wouldn't have scored in 4 tries w/ our regular RBs.:lol:

Yeah, you keep saying that, and it means absolutely nothing to anyone, but you. lol you are using one game to determine that tannehill is not much better than geno.


and yeah, no team has ever been stopped after 1st and g, in the nfl, ever.
 
Badly outplayed if you think spreading us out in the red zone 2 times on 3rd down and goal and running qb keeps in for 6 are worth anything...the jets own coaching staff didn't even trust geno to make plays with his arm in the red zone they knew the guys decision making was flat awful...there's nothing to boast about that smith did unless you're dumb enough to think that kind of stuff means jack squat in the overall play at the qb position...

Make that your bread and butter and see how far it gets you...Miami should have known once the jets came out In spread in those scenarios what was coming...it was rediculously obvious but the jets took advantage of lost lbs both times...

Geno smith is awful...flat awful...the big pass play in that game for the jets came from a freaking hb pass to the tight end for god sakes...
 
Yes if you consistently lose to your division rival you will be without a job with that team. You may get a backup job with another team or if lucky another starting role elsewhere.
The window of opportunity for an NFL QB is very small.

I don't see how that is a certainty. The dolphins could lose to the jets or vice versa the majority of the time, but that losing team could be a constant playoff team. they just have issues with one team.
 
sorry but 3 interception to None is badly outplayed. you just don't win may games with 3 Ints and 7 offensive points.
 
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