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AFC EAST Offseason Grades by Scouts Inc.- Phins get the Worst Grade - " C- "

I don't take much stock in this. What is being overlooked is a couple of re-signings, Wake being the biggest. If Philbin holds true to his beliefs of building through the draft, I suspect the Fins will have more bad grades based on only resigning the FAs on the roster and not bringing in the high profile, high paid FAs.

As for the bet who will have a bigger season, Marshall will have a big year with Cutler. The only decent defense in that division is the Bears so those 6 games will produce big numbers for him. That was a terrible bet.
 
The guy who wrote the article, seems to just spout off what Williamson was saying and did no research of his own. It is ESPN, so what do you expect.
 
cutler has been up and down especially early in his career but he's been coming into his own and playing at a pretty high level the last few years i'd say...that said even with his ups and downs cutlers by far a better qb...and more of a playmaker and gamechanging one to boot

the two shouldn't even be in the same conversation...

Yes and no. Cutler is a much more talented QB, but he also tends to throw far more "WTF" type INTs at the worst possible times, done as early as last year.

Don't get me wrong, If I had my choice, I want Cutler, but for the point of who may benifit his receiver more this year, if Garrard is healthy, he will throw more consistantly placed balls where Chad can get it (I know that Cutler will make more throws that Garrard can't), while Cutler might try to do more then he should, and throw the ball where it shouldn't, just for the simple reason he believes he can sneak one in, of make an impossible throw, makng it that much tougher for Marshall.
 
we just disagree if you think garrard will throw more consistently placed balls than jay cutler...garrard won't take as many chances and doesn't have the arm that cutler has to fit the ball b/t 3 defenders he's got less of a gun slingers mentality...cutler lets er rip...he and marshall were money together prior...

no doubt cutler throws some wtf balls...but he also trusts his wrs especially marshall to go up and make a play he's more a riverboat gambler...

not to mention marshall is in his prime and chad johnson is not anymore...
 
we just disagree if you think garrard will throw more consistently placed balls than jay cutler...garrard won't take as many chances and doesn't have the arm that cutler has to fit the ball b/t 3 defenders he's got less of a gun slingers mentality...cutler lets er rip...he and marshall were money together prior...

no doubt cutler throws some wtf balls...but he also trusts his wrs especially marshall to go up and make a play he's more a riverboat gambler...

not to mention marshall is in his prime and chad johnson is not anymore...

OK, I do agree with that, but just think taking less chances, and going more high percentage passes will help Garrard get his passes to his receivers more often then Cutler, we will see soon enough.
 
The problem is that most of your D is simply two years older, not necessarily two years better.

Couple of aging LBs, but plenty of youth in there.

Really? The Bills had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens as the WRs in 2009 and nobody in the NFL took them seriously as deep threats because Dick Jauron didn't like to pass and Trent Edwards was too risk-adverse to throw downfield. It wasn't until Jauron was replaced as HC that the Bills actually used their WRs -- and teams somewhat took their deep threat seriously.

So basically, you agree with me when I say just having the speed and a couple of deep shots a game will make teams think differently.

Well, sweetpea, the Jests offense looks like the Bills offense during the Jauron years where they tried to run the ball (the Bills did have better RBs than Greene) and didn't want to pass the ball. Enjoy all those three and outs and the 1 offensive TD per game.

But your OL was crap and had a QB that didn't even throw for 2700 yards, and had 11:10 TD to int ratio.

You don't know much about OL play, do you? Slauson plays between a top LT and one of the best Cs in the league. That makes him seem a lot better than he actually is. Hunter plays out on the end against massive LDEs and blitzing LBers with a poor-blocking TE to chip and an aged RG who struggled to regain his form after surgery. They're about the same quality, but Slausson's deficiencies are more easily masked.

The RG hasn't missed a game in 7 years, and was a pro-bowler last year for the first time. Slauson does play between a top LT and the best C in the league, but that doesn't mean the LT doesn't get to handle the best LBs in the game. He has his hands full on every play. He wasn't getting beat when Mangold missed some time last year as an undrafted rookie center got man handled by the Ravens.

If Slauson's "deficiencies are more easily masked", then how can he be a problem?

Sparano was successful with a run offense? I suspect that the Fins fans here would disagree. Miami's OL play declined under Sparano's watch.

11th in 2008. 4th in 2009. Then BM got traded and Miami started passing much more. Whats wrong with having the 4th best rushing attack with injury prone Ronnie and aging Ricky?

What, exactly, does Greene do well for a RB? It took him 6 more games and 80+ more carries to get about 120 more yards than Freddie Jackson. How many 100 yard games has Greene had? Don't give me this "sharing carries" manure either; Greene shared carries with Jones and LT because he wasn't good enough to beat them out of their jobs. He only became the starter last season because LT was done.

Im not comparing him to Fred Jackson. Not sure where you got that idea. You totally ignored what I said. Whats wrong with having a 4.2 YPC average behind an OL u proclaim has three weak players?

Sanchez has made 53 starts. It's more than past time for him to show some maturity. A QB who needs "competition" to make him "better" is one hell of a crappy QB. We're talking NFL here, not Pop Warner. How come P Manning and Brady are so good when they've never been "pushed" by "competitors"? The only people who ever "pushed" them were themselves, not Rohan Davies or Curtiss Painter.

Sanchez also had to sit on the bench for most of his college career. And why are you comparing Sanchez with Brady and Manning? And for the record, Brady didn't break loose with his passing attack until his 8th season with Randy Moss. His highest TD totals were 28 twice, and LEAST number of ints until then were 12. Now his least number of ints in a full season are 4 (11th season) with highest number of TDs at 50 (8th season). What part of maturing much further than just 3 years do you not get?
 
They also signed Landry who also ended his last 2 years on IR. At least Leonhard played in 24 games the past 2 years compared to only 17 for Landry.

As for Burress; I think the Jets will miss his red zone production more than you think. If it was just his height, why isn't Patrick Turner scoring 8 TDs for the Jets? Hill is a very raw rookie and Chaz is an unproven and injury prone WR. I don't think it is realistic to expect those guys to replace the 8 TDs you lost with Burress.

Landry for Leonhard is not a downgrade. Neither its an upgrade. And Bell will be there even if Landry goes down, so they covered up Landry's potential injury.

As for Burress, what use is having a WR when the only place he can be effective is the RZ? You've got to get in the RZ first to even think about anything else. We'll see how the season pans out. Jets are emphasizing on running ball a bit more than last year but we'll find out if Burress will be missed. If he was so valuable, I would have thought somebody would have grabbed him by now.
 
Landry for Leonhard is not a downgrade. Neither its an upgrade. And Bell will be there even if Landry goes down, so they covered up Landry's potential injury.

As for Burress, what use is having a WR when the only place he can be effective is the RZ? You've got to get in the RZ first to even think about anything else. We'll see how the season pans out. Jets are emphasizing on running ball a bit more than last year but we'll find out if Burress will be missed. If he was so valuable, I would have thought somebody would have grabbed him by now.

It depends on how much Landry plays. If it is similar to the last 2 years, it would be a down grade to me.

I agree Burress wasn't very effective between the 20's, but he only had 32 less receiving yards than Holmes did. There are not a lot of teams that want a 34 year old receiver, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an effective RZ target that the Jets will miss. Like you said, we will see how the season pans out.
 
landry lacks leonhards range...landry also is a very bad coverage player...he'll pack more punch but teams are gonna attack him in coverage as much as possible...
 
I wish I felt like my team got better by not necessarily getting any worse. That's true fanaticism right there!
 
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