AFC EAST Offseason Grades by Scouts Inc.- Phins get the Worst Grade - " C- "

[tay0365]

One of the most unfair bets Ive ever seen. Big Fish should get some odds!

Maybe, but you got to love the underdog aspect of this bet, and I do love the idea that if it's Garrard/Chad, in their best days would be the favorite against Cutler/Marshall, what's to say the old guys can't show some magic again. :up:

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

So basically they added nothing that's guaranteed to make them better, just a few possible players that could be an upgrade. My big thing is not that I think Miami had a better off-season then the Jets (That is a matter of opinion), my thing is that the Jets did not have better off-season then the Dolphins.

Again, they didn't lose anyone significant. Yes, Jets didn't add overpay Mario Williams, but they didn't lose any either.

The Jets lost Burress, that will hurt red-zone offense, they lost Leonhard, the leadership he brought to the middle of your secondary will be missed, you lost LT, even with him no longer being the elite runner he used to be, he was still a great guy to have for your QB coming out of the backfield as at the very least, a safety net (He was and still is one of the best pass-catching RBs).

Burress: Washed up, had no seperation. His production was mainly due to his height. We drafted Hill and Chaz, who are about as tall as Burress. Burress will not be missed.
Leonhard: His presence was not missed in 2010 when Jets reached AFC title game while he was on the IR for over two months.
LT: Another washed up vet. 280 rushing yards and 42 receptions. He lost a ton last season and it was visible. Had a few drops being the best pass catching RB. Joe McKnight will take care of that. His only major action came against Denver and he caught 6 passes in that game.

So we lost a few washed up vets and a player who ended last two years on the IR. We did manage to grab a player who led his team in tackles in four years. He'll be a backup!

Personally, I think the Bills deserve the top mark, and then bunch up the Pats, Jets, and Dolphins, because not one did anything better then the other or worse, aside from the draft, which history has shown, no matter where players are taken or how good they are thought to be, it's still not a gimme that they will as good or as bad as orininally thought.

Pats had a good offseason I think. They were good enough to start with so they didn't need much help anyways.

 

[hoops]

oh lord now its garrards a more consistent qb than jay cutler...i got to get out of here

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

The Jets needed a cover safety (ie, free safety). They signed two FA whom, on their best days (which may behind one because of injury and the other because of age), were NOT very good in pass coverage. In other words, the Jets' weakness at safety remains. They remain especially vulnerable to the big, fast TEs that are becoming popular.

Jets didn't have a great cover safety when they had the best D in the league couple years ago. Davis was drafted to cover these fast TEs. Yes, we didn't upgrade. We didn't downgrade either.

The Jets need to stretch the field. The two WRs they added, Schilens and Hill, might work out or they might NOT. One has done nothing because of injury and the other one is a rookie project. Although they're fast, they've got to prove that they can get open and make catches downfield before NFL DBs take them seriously.

Their speed alone stretches the field. With their speed, if safety doesn't keep an eye on them, they can have a big play every now and then. Chaz has a lot of potential, he just didn't have a QB to throw to him or remain on the field himself.

The Jets need to improve their OL. They have replaced two top OLers at key positions, LG and RT, with two guys who are essentially backup quality. Vlad Ducasse has been disappointing. This particular draft had lots of OL talent of various quality and skill levels, so finding some shouldn't have been so hard for the Jets, but they only managed to find an OG in the 6th. Pitt probably snagged a likely perennial Pro Bowl RG in the first, the Fins grabbed a RT in the second or third, the Bills grabbed 3 OLers (a LT in the 2nd, another OT in the 5th, and a C/G in the 6th).

Lol, just because Slauson was drafted in the 6th round doesn't mean he's a backup quality LG. He's started every game last two years and not hearing his name much means he's done a good job. RT needed to be improved but we'll see how that folds out in a man blocking OL scheme.

The Jets don't really have the personnel to be the run-first, ground and pound team they want to be. They don't have a dominant OL like they did in 2009. They don't have a good OL and a good starting RB like they did in 2010. Shonn Greene is a mediocre RB who doesn't have a lot of speed, break tackles, make guys miss, change directions/cut back very well or have particularly good vision. He's mediocre, especially as the starter. Oh, yeah, the Jets don't have a traditional blocking TE, something that's essential for a successful run-first team, especially one with a RT named Wayne Hunter as its starter.

Again, I'll revert back to the OL blockin scheme as a reasoning. Sparano has been pretty successful with run offense. Shonn Greene isn't flashy, but he gets his 4+ yards a carry. He can move the pile and gains a yard or two after every contact with his playing style. Where he lacks talent in one department, he makes up for it in the other. 4.2 yards a carry with a long of 31, and over 1k yards sharing carries. I can't complain. When he ran well, Schottenheimer decided to pass the ball 60 times.

It's nice that the Jets added a pass rusher and a LBer and some late round safeties, but their defense was already much better than offense. They did very little to get Sanchez better protection and targets, and then undermined him further by bringing in Tebow.

You don't want to agree with me here, and it doesn't matter anyways, Sanchez will be more mature this season. He'll have receivers with legs, as opposed to WRs that couldn't stretch the field. Bringing in Tebow has made him better because he knows theres competition and has worked really hard this off season from all the reports.

We can argue all these points but we won't find out until the season is well on its way.

 

[insomnia411]

this board has some of the most irrational homers i've ever seen. big fish should be suspended immediately for even being foolish enough to take that dumb bet. we have arguably the worst WR corps in the league, we're capped out with barely any star talent, and Ireland is still our GM. expect a lot of empty seats again.

Lol I dont think he should be banned but it is pretty ridiculous. I really dont think it'll be close like I said.

---------- Post added at 05:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:45 PM ----------

Hey we need some excitment around this time of the year....LOL
Chad better do what I expect him to do......I'm about to tweet him right now!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the season!!!!!

Insomnia411 - Big Up's to you for even making such a bet!!!!!!!

Cant wait either
Good luck lol.

 

[Kinzua]

Jets didn't have a great cover safety when they had the best D in the league couple years ago. Davis was drafted to cover these fast TEs. Yes, we didn't upgrade. We didn't downgrade either.

The problem is that most of your D is simply two years older, not necessarily two years better.

Their speed alone stretches the field. With their speed, if safety doesn't keep an eye on them, they can have a big play every now and then. Chaz has a lot of potential, he just didn't have a QB to throw to him or remain on the field himself.

Really? The Bills had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens as the WRs in 2009 and nobody in the NFL took them seriously as deep threats because Dick Jauron didn't like to pass and Trent Edwards was too risk-adverse to throw downfield. It wasn't until Jauron was replaced as HC that the Bills actually used their WRs -- and teams somewhat took their deep threat seriously.

Well, sweetpea, the Jests offense looks like the Bills offense during the Jauron years where they tried to run the ball (the Bills did have better RBs than Greene) and didn't want to pass the ball. Enjoy all those three and outs and the 1 offensive TD per game.

Lol, just because Slauson was drafted in the 6th round doesn't mean he's a backup quality LG. He's started every game last two years and not hearing his name much means he's done a good job. RT needed to be improved but we'll see how that folds out in a man blocking OL scheme.

You don't know much about OL play, do you? Slauson plays between a top LT and one of the best Cs in the league. That makes him seem a lot better than he actually is. Hunter plays out on the end against massive LDEs and blitzing LBers with a poor-blocking TE to chip and an aged RG who struggled to regain his form after surgery. They're about the same quality, but Slausson's deficiencies are more easily masked.

Again, I'll revert back to the OL blockin scheme as a reasoning. Sparano has been pretty successful with run offense. Shonn Greene isn't flashy, but he gets his 4+ yards a carry. He can move the pile and gains a yard or two after every contact with his playing style. Where he lacks talent in one department, he makes up for it in the other. 4.2 yards a carry with a long of 31, and over 1k yards sharing carries. I can't complain. When he ran well, Schottenheimer decided to pass the ball 60 times.

Sparano was successful with a run offense? I suspect that the Fins fans here would disagree. Miami's OL play declined under Sparano's watch.

What, exactly, does Greene do well for a RB? It took him 6 more games and 80+ more carries to get about 120 more yards than Freddie Jackson. How many 100 yard games has Greene had? Don't give me this "sharing carries" manure either; Greene shared carries with Jones and LT because he wasn't good enough to beat them out of their jobs. He only became the starter last season because LT was done.

You don't want to agree with me here, and it doesn't matter anyways, Sanchez will be more mature this season. He'll have receivers with legs, as opposed to WRs that couldn't stretch the field. Bringing in Tebow has made him better because he knows theres competition and has worked really hard this off season from all the reports.

Sanchez has made 53 starts. It's more than past time for him to show some maturity. A QB who needs "competition" to make him "better" is one hell of a crappy QB. We're talking NFL here, not Pop Warner. How come P Manning and Brady are so good when they've never been "pushed" by "competitors"? The only people who ever "pushed" them were themselves, not Rohan Davies or Curtiss Painter.

 

[Dsteve]

We were 7-9, 7-9 and 6-10 with his production. I don't remember denver winning many games with him either. The guy is a great talent but you would be surprised how an attitude like his can bring a team down. He was never a big part of the wins we had anyways. We only won 6 games last year and in those 6 wins B Marsh averaged around 60 receiving yards and 0.333 TDs a game. I think you will see an increase in production from Bess, Bush, Clay and Fasano that will cover what we lost with Marshall.

so our horrible quarterback play, barley above average defense, horrible coaching and no other play makers on the team contribute nothing to our poor record? lol how do you people blame marshall for us not winning games? Thats unreal to be honest.

 

[Dsteve]

oh lord now its garrards a more consistent qb than jay cutler...i got to get out of here

i read that too and just shook my head.

 

[insomnia411]

so our horrible quarterback play, barley above average defense, horrible coaching and no other play makers on the team contribute nothing to our poor record? lol how do you people blame marshall for us not winning games? Thats unreal to be honest.

He's easy to scapegoat now that he's gone, and he was def our best offensive player, but he did drop a few key TDs... I gotta tell you, we might have a very different opinion of Chad Henne had Marshall caught those TDs against Houston and Cleveland haha. Henne was hardly the reason why we lost in weeks 1-3 IMO, and him and Marshall were basically the only Dolphins on the field week 1.

 

[GDL FinFan]

I agree that eventually we will need to find a productive WR to replace b-marsh's yards and receptions

 

[rent this space]

Again, they didn't lose anyone significant. Yes, Jets didn't add overpay Mario Williams, but they didn't lose any either.



Burress: Washed up, had no seperation. His production was mainly due to his height. We drafted Hill and Chaz, who are about as tall as Burress. Burress will not be missed.
Leonhard: His presence was not missed in 2010 when Jets reached AFC title game while he was on the IR for over two months.
LT: Another washed up vet. 280 rushing yards and 42 receptions. He lost a ton last season and it was visible. Had a few drops being the best pass catching RB. Joe McKnight will take care of that. His only major action came against Denver and he caught 6 passes in that game.

So we lost a few washed up vets and a player who ended last two years on the IR. We did manage to grab a player who led his team in tackles in four years. He'll be a backup!



Pats had a good offseason I think. They were good enough to start with so they didn't need much help anyways.

and you added Yeremiah Bell? what do you think he is?

 

[The New Guy]

Again, they didn't lose anyone significant. Yes, Jets didn't add overpay Mario Williams, but they didn't lose any either.



Burress: Washed up, had no seperation. His production was mainly due to his height. We drafted Hill and Chaz, who are about as tall as Burress. Burress will not be missed.
Leonhard: His presence was not missed in 2010 when Jets reached AFC title game while he was on the IR for over two months.
LT: Another washed up vet. 280 rushing yards and 42 receptions. He lost a ton last season and it was visible. Had a few drops being the best pass catching RB. Joe McKnight will take care of that. His only major action came against Denver and he caught 6 passes in that game.

So we lost a few washed up vets and a player who ended last two years on the IR. We did manage to grab a player who led his team in tackles in four years. He'll be a backup!



Pats had a good offseason I think. They were good enough to start with so they didn't need much help anyways.

and you added Yeremiah Bell? what do you think he is?

They also signed Landry who also ended his last 2 years on IR. At least Leonhard played in 24 games the past 2 years compared to only 17 for Landry.

As for Burress; I think the Jets will miss his red zone production more than you think. If it was just his height, why isn't Patrick Turner scoring 8 TDs for the Jets? Hill is a very raw rookie and Chaz is an unproven and injury prone WR. I don't think it is realistic to expect those guys to replace the 8 TDs you lost with Burress.

 

[phintim]

Given our salary cap retaining C. Wake and P Saoli was huge Ireland did a great job there. I prefer retaining your own proven players than signing big name FA when possible. We really did not have that much money to spend this year and thats really fine this year IMO with the new coaching staff. Lets get those guys in place see where we are at and then try filling the holes in FA more in the future when IMO you get a bigger impact for the buck. Compared to many of our prior drafts I am very hopeful on this one as we got a fair amount of quanity and hopefully quality to past Irelands drafts.

 

[tay0365]

Originally Posted by hooshoops
oh lord now its garrards a more consistent qb than jay cutler...i got to get out of here

i read that too and just shook my head.

Ah, those that don't pay attention, will be confused. Cutler is a better, more talented QB then Garrard, but Cutler does tend to be up and down through the season, while Garrard does rarely reach the type of QB Cutler can be, but he is also consistantly close to the same QB from beginning to end, which is a good QB you can count on..barring injury.

If you guys don't know this by now, there is little I can do, same with how good Chad can be if he is healthy. You will have to watch and see for yourself on both regards, and be surprised what should be obvious.

 

[hoops]

cutler has been up and down especially early in his career but he's been coming into his own and playing at a pretty high level the last few years i'd say...that said even with his ups and downs cutlers by far a better qb...and more of a playmaker and gamechanging one to boot

the two shouldn't even be in the same conversation...