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AFC EAST Offseason Grades by Scouts Inc.- Phins get the Worst Grade - " C- "

This team should win at least 9 wins, the Jets haven't improved that much, our defense is just as solid as it was last season, should score more points, heck let's do 10 wins, New England is the only team that have handled the fins in the division, this team a good solid talent and it will give teams fits.
 
Call me stupid and Homer or what ever. I think Miami had the 2nd best off season to the Bills and I'm giving them the #1 spot based on the huge free agent they signed that filled a need for them. Miami addressed the QB position. Mark my words Gararred will be the starter and will be HUGE for the Dolphins this year. They dropped Marsh. I agree he is a huge talent to let go. HOWERVER, again take it to the bank Chad Johnson WILL have a better year then BM in Chicago. We drafted a RT tackel to go along with the a pro bowl lt tackel and a very SOLID Center. and we kept all of the other players on the team. But the biggest move was getting rid of Sparono!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Miami had a great off season - all we need is for 2-3 young guys to shine, oliver/Egnew/cunningham/wallace any one of those combo's and Miami is in FINE SHAPE>
 
I disagree with you here. Most of your post are pretty much on point. BUT I think your going to be PRETTY suprised at C Johnson. I'm telling you he will have a huge year for Miami. I may go as far as saying Probowl year. Yes I am a huge Chad Johnson fan but this comment is not from my position as a fan but more as a spectator. He was not himself in NE. He got his game back on Now, AND philbin/ Sherman will only have him do what he does best.
I know this seems like it is coming out of my AZZ but just watch. I wouldnt count Chad out!

This is in response to Hooshopps post about Brandon Llyod having more in the tank than Chad Johnson.
 
If Tannehill turns out to be the franchise quarterback we all hope he is, the Dolphins will have had the best offseason in 2012 by far. You won't be able to tell for a couple of years, but Tannehill is the key.
 
So much opinion on both sides of the spectrum, wow.

First - Brandon Lloyd. Seriously? Mr. Inconsistent is your chosen WR while you are so down on Ocho, including Ocho's 2010 where he was fairly productive minus an injury? Interesting. I'd venture a guess that genuinely, Ocho has just as good of a chance of breaking 1000 yards that Brandon Lloyd does (Neither is very likely). Everything Lloyd does, Ocho does. Lloyd is not a technician at really anything in the wide receiver realm, and he drops a lot of easy passes. He has a knack for the big grab, but with all the simple drops he has (everywhere he goes) I'm not sure I'd trade Ocho for that.

And Brandon Marshall will absolutely have a better year than Chad Johnson, I mean come on. We are getting silly with these predictions. Marshall has a better QB throwing to him, and a QB who he is not only familiar with but history shows that Marshall is guaranteed (outside of injury) to his his 80/1100/5 mark. And he likely will. Johnson will put up maybe half of that. And that's okay. I'll take 500 from Chad, 600 from Hartline, and 800 from Bess. Gladly.

That being said, we need a #1 for the future. We don't have him. We are still staying afloat with our trusted veterans (Hartline and Bess) but they are what they are. Solid depth. I'm not convinced we are going to find anyone out of our current players to fill that void. I have a good feeling about Bess, Hartline and Johnson in this offense, I have zero faith in the abilities of the other guys. Nobody on our roster scares anyone. I agree with hooshoops (with less periods)
 
I don't disagree withe the Dolphins ranking, my problem is with Patriots, can someone explain what they did to have a "good offseason" Gaffney?
Jets didn't have a better offseason that Dolphins.

pats got brandon lloyd...and he's got more in the tank than ocho did when he got there...they got a poor mans jpp talent in chandler jones...and frankly as long as tom brady is healthy and up right anyones had a great offseason

I thought the Pats got 2nd ranking because they cornered the market on TEs ... I think they signed just about every FA TE floating around. :d-day:

On a more serious not, I read the original article which featured the Bills (it was the only one I could see since I don't get ESPN Insider), and I wouldn't get too upset that the writer gave the Fins a C-. I thought his eval of the Bills was very superficial, and that he was enamored by big names, ie Vince Young. Don't be surprised if Vince Young does NOT even make the Bills.

I do NOT see how you can evaluate the off-season without including coaching changes, and the author didn't include any of those. All of the AFCE teams had significant coaching changes. Philbin as the new HC in Miami is a biggie. The Bills have Wannstadt as their new DC, the Pats have McDaniels back as their OC, and the Jets have Sparano now at OC.

Certainly adding Garrard was a plus. If his back is really healed, then he seems like an excellent WCO style QB, and he doesn't bring controversy the way Tebow will to the Jets.

I think that it's likely the Marshall trade could be a short-term loss for the Fins, but if one or both of those draft picks work out, then it will be a gain. I can see why there would be concern about stretching the field with Marshall gone. I had the same concerns in 2011 for the Bills after they traded Lee Evans, but until injuries decimated the offense, their young collection of unknown WRs did just fine. With the right offensive scheme and a decent QB, even modest receivers can have success (see Wes Welker).

I think the secret to keeping the defense honest is to have a QB who is willing to throw downfield when he sees the opportunity, and I think Garrard and Moore will both do that.

Finally, I think the author's evaluation also ignored how well teams filled their needs in the offense. The Bills, Pats, and Fins all attempted to shore up their areas of need in FA and the draft while the Jets seemed to largely ignore their needs to make their strength even stronger. It will be interesting to see if that was a stroke of genius or a disaster.
 
Call me stupid and Homer or what ever. I think Miami had the 2nd best off season to the Bills and I'm giving them the #1 spot based on the huge free agent they signed that filled a need for them. Miami addressed the QB position. Mark my words Gararred will be the starter and will be HUGE for the Dolphins this year. They dropped Marsh. I agree he is a huge talent to let go. HOWERVER, again take it to the bank Chad Johnson WILL have a better year then BM in Chicago. We drafted a RT tackel to go along with the a pro bowl lt tackel and a very SOLID Center. and we kept all of the other players on the team. But the biggest move was getting rid of Sparono!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Miami had a great off season - all we need is for 2-3 young guys to shine, oliver/Egnew/cunningham/wallace any one of those combo's and Miami is in FINE SHAPE>

I'd bet you any any amount of money that (barring injury) Marshall has a better year than Ocho, and I don't think it will even be close.
 
A bigger question that needs to be asked, other then the Draft (Where it's an unknown, and both teams could have gotten themselves equal amounts of talent...at best for the Jets) who did the Jets add that makes their off-season better then the Dolphins....Tebow?

Fair question, but I'll answer it with another question. Who did they lose? Burress and Leonhard? Burress was finished and is still looking for a job. Leonhards last two seasons ended on the IR. Leonhard was replaced by Bell and Landry. Burress was replaced by the speedy Chaz and Hill. Jets lost LT, but LT lost his touch anyways. I can't remember any other significant loss. The team is mainly intact, except they added rookies that can address their last years weaknesses in a pass rusher and a WR that can stretch the field in Hill.
 
Finally, I think the author's evaluation also ignored how well teams filled their needs in the offense. The Bills, Pats, and Fins all attempted to shore up their areas of need in FA and the draft while the Jets seemed to largely ignore their needs to make their strength even stronger. It will be interesting to see if that was a stroke of genius or a disaster.

Care to explain?
 
I'd bet you any any amount of money that (barring injury) Marshall has a better year than Ocho, and I don't think it will even be close.

I'll bet you a full year of NO POSTING ON FIN HEAVEN!

We will have to get the administrator involved.......

Chad will have a better year then BM!!!!!

Put your post where your mouth is!
 
I'll bet you a full year of NO POSTING ON FIN HEAVEN!

We will have to get the administrator involved.......

Chad will have a better year then BM!!!!!

Put your post where your mouth is!

Barring injury, I'm in. Make it happen.
 
i never said brandon lloyd was my "chosen wr" and why i'm down on ocho...i'm down on ocho cause he's old hasn't done much in 2 years father time is catching up cause we're gonna run a similar option route system to what the pats did last year which should be a red flag for him learning this o but with a major downgrade at qb and all indications for me on tape is he's trending down...

as for lloyd look i'll be the first to admit that he doesn't overwhelm me but if you take a look at his tape last year the guy does get open...he's not a guy that is gonna struggle like ocho to learn the o heck he knows it already with mcdaniel the oc they have now...they know he's a good fit...not a guy that's gonna ruffle feathers when they go the other way with the ball...they have nothing other than welker at wr...deion branch is washed up...but welker lloyd and gronk hernandez will get it done...it won't be some 15 catches for 200 yards crap like what the pats got from ocho last year i know that much...
 
I'll bet you a full year of NO POSTING ON FIN HEAVEN!

We will have to get the administrator involved.......
Chad will have a better year then BM!!!!!

Put your post where your mouth is!
Barring injury, I'm in. Make it happen.
Its a bet!!!
Save this post and when you lose I dont want to see your name on this board until 2014!!!!!

Noted. However, please define the injuries statement. Does both players need to play 16 games each, or is there some flexibility?
 
looks like the guy from rhode island is gonna be off finheaven for a while after this season....ha ha ha...that was a bad bet my friend...
 
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