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vaark doesn't know if a football is pumped w/ air or stuffed w/ feathers. The fact that he bashes Sanchez for the SD game tells me all I need to know about his football knowledge.
Sanchez played well but the difference were 3 field goals, 2 of which were very makeable by Keading. Two plays also stand out. Greenes long TD and if I recall Rex went for it on 4th and short late in the game in Jets territory.
 
we went away from it b/c we couldn't run and were falling behind early.

week 1 vs. dallas:

Greene & LT 3/1 YPC in 1st half
Jets fell behind 10-0, 17-7 and were down 14-10 in the 4th
Sanchez passed it 36 times

week 2 vs. Jax:
Greene/LT 3.8 YPC in 1st half(would have been higher but LT had 2 carries for -4 yds) but we led and didn't abandon the run game
we led throughout
Greene, LT & McKnight ran it 28 times
Sanchez threw it 24 times

We also fell behind at oak, at Bal. etc... It was all about the OL and run game that dictated how often we passed.

Sanchez didn't prove he couldn't handle it, he still had us at 8-5 heading into the last 3 weeks and he had to pass in the '10 title game and brought us back giving us a chance until the D blew it.

i don't care what the scores were...the jets o had a totally different philosophy in 2011...and it was one that sanchez couldn't hold up his end of the bargain with...i'm not surprised that they are going back to whats worked in the past with him and thats ground and pound and less on his shoulders...sparano is the right fit for it also...its boring as hell but its what sanchez has shown he needs...for now at least

and i don't know how you can correct someone being an inconsistent passer accuracy wise...i just don't...so i think its a part of what sanchez will always bring as a player...and its not good for wide open offenses and ones that move the chains with the short passing game etc...which is what they are getting away from

i realize the right tackle play was poor last year i thought hunter took a significant drop as a player in 2011 but for the games i saw and i saw a good number of em i'd say the glaring problem to my eye was trying to make sanchez into something he's not
 
If you think the Jets have regressed from last year then you are lumped in w/ the rest.



Eli was not close to the best QB in the game last year and I wasn't arguing Sanchez vs. Eli.

I could care less if he was the best QB last year but he did throw for the 4th most yards and had the 7th best QBR. He was good.
 
we went away from it b/c we couldn't run and were falling behind early.

week 1 vs. dallas:

Greene & LT 3/1 YPC in 1st half
Jets fell behind 10-0, 17-7 and were down 14-10 in the 4th
Sanchez passed it 36 times

week 2 vs. Jax:
Greene/LT 3.8 YPC in 1st half(would have been higher but LT had 2 carries for -4 yds) but we led and didn't abandon the run game
we led throughout
Greene, LT & McKnight ran it 28 times
Sanchez threw it 24 times

We also fell behind at oak, at Bal. etc... It was all about the OL and run game that dictated how often we passed.

Sanchez didn't prove he couldn't handle it, he still had us at 8-5 heading into the last 3 weeks and he had to pass in the '10 title game and brought us back giving us a chance until the D blew it.

So, how is Sparano going to fix the run game? You are bringing back the same OL you had in 2011 that's not nearly as good as it was in 2009 and 2010 when you had Faneca at LG and Woody at RT. You replaced them with Slausson and Hunter. You are bringing back Greene and Mcknight, neither of whom scare anybody, and shedding Tomlinson who was clearly done last season. That means Powell gets promoted to third RB by default.

That's been the Jests problem on offense during Tannenbaum's tenure as GM and especially during Ryan's tenure as HC. Neither give a rat's hairy behind for the offense, so after wasting picks to trade up for Sanchez, they didn't bother with the rest of the offense since. When veteran talent is lost through FA or retirement, they've replaced them with guys who haven't been good enough to be starters. Slausson wasn't good enough to unseat an old, fading Alan Faneca, and Hunter was a career backup who was never good enough to unseat anybody, least of all Damien Woody. Who replaced Braylon Edwards? Oh, yeah, aged jailbird Burress. Who's going to replace Burress as the #2 WR? A rookie WR whose total career receptions are significantly less than what top collegiate WRs have in a single season!

Tony Sparano's going to fix all those flaws because he's an offensive genius, right?

If the Jets season-ending 3 game losing streak was all about the failure of the defense, why, then did Holmes get so up in arms about Sanchez that he threw a hissy fit in the season finale and got benched? Could it be because he knows how a good NFL QB plays, and finally got tired of covering for Sanchez's failure to play like one?
 
I have never been a particular fan of E Manning, either, but in 2011, he was also excellent during the season, probably for the first time in his pro career, NOT getting down on himself and NOT being the very streaky QB he had been in the past. Until the Giants D finally got rolling late in the season, it was mostly Eli's passing, especially in the fourth quarters, that kept the Gnats in the playoff hunt. I think having two great targets in Cruz and Nicks for the first time in his career helped him immeasurably.

exactly...eli put that team on his shoulders...
 
So, how is Sparano going to fix the run game? You are bringing back the same OL you had in 2011 that's not nearly as good as it was in 2009 and 2010 when you had Faneca at LG and Woody at RT. You replaced them with Slausson and Hunter. You are bringing back Greene and Mcknight, neither of whom scare anybody, and shedding Tomlinson who was clearly done last season. That means Powell gets promoted to third RB by default.

That's been the Jests problem on offense during Tannenbaum's tenure as GM and especially during Ryan's tenure as HC. Neither give a rat's hairy behind for the offense, so after wasting picks to trade up for Sanchez, they didn't bother with the rest of the offense since. When veteran talent is lost through FA or retirement, they've replaced them with guys who haven't been good enough to be starters. Slausson wasn't good enough to unseat an old, fading Alan Faneca, and Hunter was a career backup who was never good enough to unseat anybody, least of all Damien Woody. Who replaced Braylon Edwards? Oh, yeah, aged jailbird Burress. Who's going to replace Burress as the #2 WR? A rookie WR whose total career receptions are significantly less than what top collegiate WRs have in a single season!

Tony Sparano's going to fix all those flaws because he's an offensive genius, right?

If the Jets season-ending 3 game losing streak was all about the failure of the defense, why, then did Holmes get so up in arms about Sanchez that he threw a hissy fit in the season finale and got benched? Could it be because he knows how a good NFL QB plays, and finally got tired of covering for Sanchez's failure to play like one?

they're gonna be more conservative...they better hope that downhill running game gets going cause if it doesn't the jets o is in trouble...mcknight is trash shonne greene has never lived up to his potential and its frustrating as hell i'm sure for the jets stephen hill is gonna run 3 routes and probably do most his damage off pa early on if he shows he's not too raw to see the field from the jump...holmes is gonna get annoyed again with the way the ball doesn't come his way enough and sparanos offense you can guarantee that...sanchez is gonna be looking over his shoulder every week at tebow and with the way sparano loves the wildcat and those gimmick offense crap you never know when sparano will decide to go with tebow full time...

miamis got a lot of questions going into this season but make no mistake so do the damn jets

get ready for fist pumps from the sideline on made fgs...ha ha ha...
 
vaark doesn't know if a football is pumped w/ air or stuffed w/ feathers. The fact that he bashes Sanchez for the SD game tells me all I need to know about his football knowledge.

That you claim Sanchez might be worth 2 firsts, let alone a 3rd, that he's a top 10QB, that you wouldn't trade him for Rivers or Ryan and that Eli despite 2 SB MVP trophies is not an elite QB tells me all I need to know about the extent of your QB cluelessness. Sanchez sucked in that game, 60QBR, 100yds; it's either Greene winning that game or Kaeding losing it. Sanchez was a liability.

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So, how is Sparano going to fix the run game? You are bringing back the same OL you had in 2011 that's not nearly as good as it was in 2009 and 2010 when you had Faneca at LG and Woody at RT. You replaced them with Slausson and Hunter. You are bringing back Greene and Mcknight, neither of whom scare anybody, and shedding Tomlinson who was clearly done last season. That means Powell gets promoted to third RB by default.

That's been the Jests problem on offense during Tannenbaum's tenure as GM and especially during Ryan's tenure as HC. Neither give a rat's hairy behind for the offense, so after wasting picks to trade up for Sanchez, they didn't bother with the rest of the offense since. When veteran talent is lost through FA or retirement, they've replaced them with guys who haven't been good enough to be starters. Slausson wasn't good enough to unseat an old, fading Alan Faneca, and Hunter was a career backup who was never good enough to unseat anybody, least of all Damien Woody. Who replaced Braylon Edwards? Oh, yeah, aged jailbird Burress. Who's going to replace Burress as the #2 WR? A rookie WR whose total career receptions are significantly less than what top collegiate WRs have in a single season!

Tony Sparano's going to fix all those flaws because he's an offensive genius, right?

If the Jets season-ending 3 game losing streak was all about the failure of the defense, why, then did Holmes get so up in arms about Sanchez that he threw a hissy fit in the season finale and got benched? Could it be because he knows how a good NFL QB plays, and finally got tired of covering for Sanchez's failure to play like one?

Nick Mangold got hurt week 2, missed a couple of games and wasn't close to healthy until late in the season
Matt Slauson played most of the season on a shoukder so bad they thought he might not be ready to go to start this season(but his rehab is ahead of sched).
Brandon Moore was hurt and had surgery in the offseason w/ no Jets facility to rehab at b/c of the lockout. he missed all of preseason and camp
Wayne Hunter just struggled

Good health alone the OL will be MUCH better

Green averaged 4.2 YPC w/ that poor OL last year

They cut Faneca for Slauson so how was he not good enough? Hunter started in an AFC Championship game

They took a chance w/ Plax, it worked in the RZ but nowhere else. W/ Stephen Hill we could possibly have a younger Braylon type that is big, fast, can stretch the field and can block. Don't look at his college #s, that's silly.

Who said the season ending 3 game losing streak was all about the D? The O was just as bad and deserves their share of the blame but the D wasn't great last year. expect a much better D this year w/ rex calling the D again(he didn't last year), Coples, year 2 of Wilkerson, Thomas returning, Scott dropping weight, upgrades at S,...

Holmes was pissed b/c the Jets weren't going back to the playoffs, it's better than Bills players accepting failure.
 
That you claim Sanchez might be worth 2 firsts, let alone a 3rd, that he's a top 10QB, that you wouldn't trade him for Rivers or Ryan and that Eli despite 2 SB MVP trophies is not an elite QB tells me all I need to know about the extent of your QB cluelessness. Sanchez sucked in that game, 60QBR, 100yds; it's either Greene winning that game or Kaeding losing it. Sanchez was a liability.

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2 firsts? He didnt seriously say that did he??? Oooo man, its even worst than I thought, when you think Sanchez will garner 2 firsts! The absolute highest would be 3rd, asbolute...
 
2 firsts? He didnt seriously say that did he??? Oooo man, its even worst than I thought, when you think Sanchez will garner 2 firsts! The absolute highest would be 3rd, asbolute...

he did on TGG after the Palmer trade to Oakland. He might or might not have said it here, but he said it.
 
I didn't claim he was worth 2 first, I was asked if I would trade him for 2 first and I wouldn't. We have our QB for the nesxt decade, we haven't had a long term, durable starter EVER in the history of the franchise. The closest was Ken O'Brien an injury in '86 ruined his career though he played many more seasons. Why would I want to give up on a QB after 3 years that has helped us reach 2 title games in those 3 seasons?

Matrk Sanchez is better than Carson Palmer is at this point w/o a doubt and Carson wasn't worth what Oak overpaid for him.
 
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