AFC East Quarterback Rankings

[allsilverdreams]

dirty sanchez

is by far to this date a first round busttttttttttttt.
ya he got to back to back afc championship games BUT it was the D that got him there not sanchez's play.
the jets gave up a lot to move up in the draft that year and so far he has really done nothing.

 

[RobertHorry]

I'm sorry but the excuse about 1st team reps is one of the most ridiculous, inane arguments ever.

it doesn't work. Stop using it as an excuse for why a player sucks the first 5 games.

The real reason we were winning was because our defense finally tightened up, Reshad Jones turned from complete moron to semi-moron, and our offensive line improved tremendously.

Matt Moore had a huge part, but not the main reason.

 

[Vaark]

I'm sorry but the excuse about 1st team reps is one of the most ridiculous, inane arguments ever.

it doesn't work. Stop using it as an excuse for why a player sucks the first 5 games.

The real reason we were winning was because our defense finally tightened up, Reshad Jones turned from complete moron to semi-moron, and our offensive line improved tremendously.

Matt Moore had a huge part, but not the main reason.

I often agree with your takes Horry, but not necessarily this time. I truly believe that if The Meatball would have created a true TC competition, the obviously more skilled QB with greater leadership qualities in Moore would have won and there'd have been a good chance that instead of playing spoiler in game 16, we might well have been playing for a wild card spot. Beyond that, confidence feeds on itself and breeds more confidence. Being thrown in on a dispirited team with fans in the stands actively rooting for them to not score would be tough for anyone, especially someone with no sealegs under him. It's no coincidence that Moore's game picked up as his success bred more success, his teammates bought into him, unlike Henne and he felt comfortable enough to assume a leadership role. Had he been successful in exhibition season, he would not have had to build that confidence and teammate credibility coming out of a deep hole.

Now to a degree I agree about the defense tightening up however we all know they don't operate in a vacuum. The more time they get to rest on the sidelines and the more confident they become that their offense is capable of sustaining drives and scoring, including the 4th most accurate long ball passer in the league last season, the more effective a rested defense becomes and more motivated that they're not just going through the motions to give the offense back the ball for yet another 3 and out or ugly interception. :idk:

 

[CANDolphan]

he did it w/ zero pressure to win too, when he had a chance to help keep the dolphins hopes alive he failed miserably, once Miami was out of it he played well.

When he took over there was hardly "zero pressure to win". You're so incredibly biased it makes my head hurt. Sanchez is a terrible quarterback, and it's kinda pathetic that you're so in love with the idea that he will one day be anything but a journeyman backup

 

[CANDolphan]

Holy **** I've actually read someone argue that Trent Dilfer is UNDERRATED hahahahahaha

I've heard some whoppers in my day. I guess in the same world that Trent Dilfer is UNDERRATED you've got yourself the mindset to believe Sanchez is a good QB. Hey JunC, what about Rex Grossman? The Bears haven't been back to the superbowl without him! Clearly the dude is elite!

By the way, with Eli the Giants have 2 superbowls in 5 years, which is much better than your arbitrary "Well the Jets have been the Y more than anyone in the past X years!" (Your little made up subjections to make the Jets look better) when in reality you're giving Sanchez credit for doing less than Eli, while praising Sanchez.

Eli is a top 5 QB in the league while Sanchez is easily a bottom 7. There's no question. Even your coaching staff admits it. There have been times Rex has considered BENCHING Sanchez, and they brought in Tim ****ing Tebow to back him up (start over him week 5) yet you think HE'S UNFLAPPABLE? Give me a break dude.

 

[RobertHorry]

I often agree with your takes Horry, but not necessarily this time. I truly believe that if The Meatball would have created a true TC competition, the obviously more skilled QB with greater leadership qualities in Moore would have won and there'd have been a good chance that instead of playing spoiler in game 16, we might well have been playing for a wild card spot. Beyond that, confidence feeds on itself and breeds more confidence. Being thrown in on a dispirited team with fans in the stands actively rooting for them to not score would be tough for anyone, especially someone with no sealegs under him. It's no coincidence that Moore's game picked up as his success bred more success, his teammates bought into him, unlike Henne and he felt comfortable enough to assume a leadership role. Had he been successful in exhibition season, he would not have had to build that confidence and teammate credibility coming out of a deep hole.

Now to a degree I agree about the defense tightening up however we all know they don't operate in a vacuum. The more time they get to rest on the sidelines and the more confident they become that their offense is capable of sustaining drives and scoring, including the 4th most accurate long ball passer in the league last season, the more effective a rested defense becomes and more motivated that they're not just going through the motions to give the offense back the ball for yet another 3 and out or ugly interception. :idk:

I really don't buy into the Moore argument at all. I really don't. Henne was doing better than he did the previous 2 seasons. His YPC was up basically 2 yards and he was 2nd in the NFL for 25+ yard completions by week 3. He still had Henne-esque mistakes, which is why he will basically always remain average. The point is, the defense was horrendous as was our O-line. Wasn't it a weird statistic to see Henne had 15 rushes for 112 yards and 7 first downs? It was, but it was a neccesity when our o-line was one of the worst I have ever seen at pass blocking. In comes Matt Moore and what happens? He didn't do anything until we were 0-7. So Henne had 3 games.Whats the correlation? After 7 games our O-line started somewhat meshing and giving Moore decent time, and by then our defense learned how to get stops and was playing together. Moore didn't really do anything different than he did the first 4 games he played. Its not like getting 1st team reps finally enabled him to become better. It didn't. He played about the same but the rest of our time tightened up and got better.

Getting 1st team reps is a bunch of hogwash nonsense. Yes you need it to mesh with your wideouts. But these Quarterbacks run drills for hours with each wide out. Timing is usually based off the Quarterbacks drops for the wideout and the route depth. It helps but its not that huge of a deal for 1st team reps.

 

[The Confessor]

I really don't buy into the Moore argument at all. I really don't. Henne was doing better than he did the previous 2 seasons. His YPC was up basically 2 yards and he was 2nd in the NFL for 25+ yard completions by week 3. He still had Henne-esque mistakes, which is why he will basically always remain average. The point is, the defense was horrendous as was our O-line. Wasn't it a weird statistic to see Henne had 15 rushes for 112 yards and 7 first downs? It was, but it was a neccesity when our o-line was one of the worst I have ever seen at pass blocking. In comes Matt Moore and what happens? He didn't do anything until we were 0-7. So Henne had 3 games.Whats the correlation? After 7 games our O-line started somewhat meshing and giving Moore decent time, and by then our defense learned how to get stops and was playing together. Moore didn't really do anything different than he did the first 4 games he played. Its not like getting 1st team reps finally enabled him to become better. It didn't. He played about the same but the rest of our time tightened up and got better.

Getting 1st team reps is a bunch of hogwash nonsense. Yes you need it to mesh with your wideouts. But these Quarterbacks run drills for hours with each wide out. Timing is usually based off the Quarterbacks drops for the wideout and the route depth. It helps but its not that huge of a deal for 1st team reps.

Nope.

There is a reason the starting QB gets 1st team reps all along. It helps them to be successful in every essence of the meaning.

Moore is going to be a solid QB for somebody in this league for a long time. He does little things the right way, and after he FINALLY had time to gel with his offense, we started seeing it.

I guess the best thing that could happen to us, is that Tannyhill ends up being elite (Aint ever going to happen) and we trade Moore.

IF Moore is a FA next year, bidding wars will start. 80% of the teams in the NFL would LOVE to have him as their backup QB.

 

[hoops]

Nope.

There is a reason the starting QB gets 1st team reps all along. It helps them to be successful in every essence of the meaning.

Moore is going to be a solid QB for somebody in this league for a long time. He does little things the right way, and after he FINALLY had time to gel with his offense, we started seeing it.

I guess the best thing that could happen to us, is that Tannyhill ends up being elite (Aint ever going to happen) and we trade Moore.

IF Moore is a FA next year, bidding wars will start. 80% of the teams in the NFL would LOVE to have him as their backup QB.

ha ha ha...bidding war for backup qb...i shudder at the thought...god help us...

 

[nyjunc]

Really not much of a comparison because Eli looked like an elite QB in both games, unlike Plunkett that looked ok against Philly, and ok against the Redskins.



You mean the way the Pats took Victor Cruz away in the SB, yet the Giants still won? A Good QB will find his go to WR to help him, and Elite QB you can take away one of his weapons, and he will find another.....Eli lost his best weapon in both SBs, and still made the play using less used receivers.

Eli didn't have great games in either SB, he had great drives to end games w/ a lot of luck.

The Giants had so many weapons not just Cruz but that doesn't change the fact that Cruz made the plays to get them into postseason.

I usually hate responding to trolls, but I need to address this. You also had "no Brady," a ****ty Bengals team, a ****ty Raiders team, a ****ty Chiefs team, a ****ty Rams team, a ****ty Broncos team, a ****ty 49ers team, a ****ty bills team, a really ****ty seahawks team, and an apparently overrated Dolphins team. You had the same "easy" schedule as us. You just failed to take advantage of it. Maybe if you stuck with Pennington...

Absolutely and we choked ti away thanks to favre, I give Miami credit for taking care of business but if whiner phin fans are going to complain about a qtr and a half of backups then I will bring up the facts of no Bradyt and that incredibly weak sched. The biggest difference btw the 2 seasons is that once in postseason the Jets proved they belong, Miami was hunuliated at home in the WC rd.

Junc how in the world does playing in two AFCCG in 3 years earn elite status but leading 2 game winning drives in the SB in the last 4 years doesn't?

Your definition of elite seems to be not only flexible but homered and full of hatred as well.

If I was claiming sanchez was elite you'd have a valid comparison but one is individual and one is team. Eli threw 25 INts just a year ago, he led his team to missing the last 2 postseasons- how is that the work of an elite QB?

I bet he can retire right this second and be very content with the career he had. Anything additional from now on is just icing on the cake.

Absolutely, I never said he sucks. If we was truly elite since 2007(that's a 5 year stretch) he'd be going to the Hall if he retired today and we know that wouldn't happen.

Not probably, definitely. In 2008 the Jets make an SB run with Penney. The had a great Oline, solid running game and good defense. The biggest problem with the 08 Jets is the QB turned the ball over much. Take that away and who knows.

I HATED the Favre trade at the time BUT it did lead to Rex and sanchez so it ultimately worked out. We easily win the div w/ Chad but do we make any title games w. Mangini? Probably not.

You act like Victor Cruz throws to himself. He wouldn't have had the season he had without Manning. Yeah I get that Cruz took a few passes to the house but let's not act like that isn't a play that happens in the NFL.

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Miami being average has nothing to do with the Jets not being elite. But continue to talk **** about the Dolphins by all means to try and mask your ultimate being a homer.

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Trust me, what you said isn't going to keep this thread going. Every thread ends up this way no matter what anyone says.

He took a 6 yd pass and made 2-3 guys miss then took it 99 yds, the QB doesn't get the majority of the credit there, same thing the next week w/ "only" a 74 catch and run and on the most critical play of the game after Dall pulled w/in 6 and NYG had a 3rd and long Eli threw it up for grabs and cruz outdueled 2 defenders to come down w/ the ball.

 

[dolpns13]

Eli is elite... Sanchez is garbage... I know this, the media knows this, the NFL knows this, many Jets fans know this, even the Fatty Feets Ryan and The Meatball know this (otherwise they wouldnt have brought in Tebow - which will be even more of a disaster than Sanchez). Only person that doesnt know this is you, which shows your blind and complete biased homerism.. Because of this, you make yourself lose alot credibility here, which is unfortunate for you after all the thousands of hours you log replying to post after post after post.

 

[nyjunc]

Eli is elite... Sanchez is garbage... I know this, the media knows this, the NFL knows this, many Jets fans know this, even the Fatty Feets Ryan and The Meatball know this (otherwise they wouldnt have brought in Tebow - which will be even more of a disaster than Sanchez). Only person that doesnt know this is you, which shows your blind and complete biased homerism.. Because of this, you make yourself lose alot credibility here, which is unfortunate for you after all the thousands of hours you log replying to post after post after post.

Let's not discuss homers and credibility here. You guys tell me every year that Miami will be better than the jets and every year you are wrong and you bash the Jets just b/c you hate them. The proof is in the results whether you want to acknowledge them or not.

 

[dolpns13]

Let's not discuss homers and credibility here. You guys tell me every year that Miami will be better than the jets and every year you are wrong and you bash the Jets just b/c you hate them. The proof is in the results whether you want to acknowledge them or not.

Dont couple me with those you speak of. I am unbiased and have admitted the Jets are better than Miami, however this year, with the addition of the meatball, the Jets have regressed on offense significantly. With that said, when Miami fans argue this point, it is with unbias as we are 100% able to assess what your offense will look like as we are the experts when it comes to assessing the meatball, moreso than Jets fans currently. Also, I do not bash the Jets, I bash Sanchez...

 

[hoops]

eli may have been the best qb in the game this last season...that eli sanchez stuff doesn't even begin to hold water

 

[DuderinoN703]

Absolutely, I never said he sucks. If we was truly elite since 2007(that's a 5 year stretch) he'd be going to the Hall if he retired today and we know that wouldn't happen.

Again with a statement to prove your opinion that can't be proved b/c it isn't reality. How many players had 5 year careers that are in the HOF?

He took a 6 yd pass and made 2-3 guys miss then took it 99 yds, the QB doesn't get the majority of the credit there, same thing the next week w/ "only" a 74 catch and run and on the most critical play of the game after Dall pulled w/in 6 and NYG had a 3rd and long Eli threw it up for grabs and cruz outdueled 2 defenders to come down w/ the ball.

Right. Two whole plays. What about Cruz'z remaining 7 TDs and 1,400 yds?

 

[nyjunc]

Dont couple me with those you speak of. I am unbiased and have admitted the Jets are better than Miami, however this year, with the addition of the meatball, the Jets have regressed on offense significantly. With that said, when Miami fans argue this point, it is with unbias as we are 100% able to assess what your offense will look like as we are the experts when it comes to assessing the meatball, moreso than Jets fans currently. Also, I do not bash the Jets, I bash Sanchez...

If you think the Jets have regressed from last year then you are lumped in w/ the rest.

eli may have been the best qb in the game this last season...that eli sanchez stuff doesn't even begin to hold water

Eli was not close to the best QB in the game last year and I wasn't arguing Sanchez vs. Eli.