AFC East Quarterback Rankings

[sm0kinfins]

It's not stupid, it's a fact. Winning when you are expected to win is much more difficult than winning when you are not expected. I only wish Miami as an organization felt the same way and didn't address the QB position. do you think if they thought Moore could be a long tern starter in this league they would have drafted a 1st rounder and signed Garrard?

I won't bother to address the "expected to win" nonsense but... Do you think if Rex thought Sanchez could be a long term starter in this league he would have brought in Tebow?

team vs. individual are 2 different things, the Giants as a team are elite, Eli as an individual is not. Doesn't have elite #s, in 2 SB seasons NYG won 10 & 9 games, threw 25 INts just a year ago.

Ahhh, so numbers are relevant again? Ok cool. Nobody in their right mind would consider Snatchez's numbers to be "starting calibre" or even good by most accounts. And he hasn't won the SB, forget winning 2 SB's and being named MVP. Snatchez threw 5 INT's in 1 game. Eli has never played that poorly to my knowledge. By your own argument, we should be agreeing that Snatchez is terrible.

Awaiting your spin sir...

The Jets as a team from '09-'11 are the ONLY team in the NFL to reach 2 title games, are the ONLY AFC team to win 4 playoff games and one of 4 teams in the NFL to win 4 playoff games. That's elite.

They're also the only team to do all that and NOT win the SB or even make it there. Perhaps if they had Eli they'd be elite...

 

[nyjunc]

I won't bother to address the "expected to win" nonsense but... Do you think if Rex thought Sanchez could be a long term starter in this league he would have brought in Tebow?



Ahhh, so numbers are relevant again? Ok cool. Nobody in their right mind would consider Snatchez's numbers to be "starting calibre" or even good by most accounts. And he hasn't won the SB, forget winning 2 SB's and being named MVP. Snatchez threw 5 INT's in 1 game. Eli has never played that poorly to my knowledge. By your own argument, we should be agreeing that Snatchez is terrible.

Awaiting your spin sir...



They're also the only team to do all that and NOT win the SB or even make it there. Perhaps if they had Eli they'd be elite...

Of course, Tebow wasn't brought in here to be a starter, do you think we'd have him as the up man on punts if we expected him to be our starting QB? and do you think we would have given Sanchez a contract extension?

I'm not debating sanchez as an elite QB so your ramblings are meaningless.

Eli never played that poorly? Eli in year 7 threw TWENTY FIVE interceptions. Eli has had multiple 4 INT games and in postseason has a 3 INT game(Sanchez has 3 total).

 

[sm0kinfins]

Of course, Tebow wasn't brought in here to be a starter, do you think we'd have him as the up man on punts if we expected him to be our starting QB? and do you think we would have given Sanchez a contract extension?

I'm not debating sanchez as an elite QB so your ramblings are meaningless.

Eli never played that poorly? Eli in year 7 threw TWENTY FIVE interceptions. Eli has had multiple 4 INT games and in postseason has a 3 INT game(Sanchez has 3 total).

My "ramblings" are in fact quite meaningful. You are using Eli's stats (gasp!) to build a case as to why he can't be called elite. Your words: "Eli as an individual is not [elite]. Doesn't have elite #s". Yet when we point to Taco's piss poor numbers to build a case as to why he can't even be considered a good QB you want to spin it and say that numbers don't matter. You can't have it both ways so stop trying to. Ya hypocrite.

Answer my question. Did Eli ever have a 5 INT game? You'll just keep dancing so I'll answer my own damn questions. NO, Eli never played that poorly. You wanna talk postseason? Fine. How many SB's did Snatchez lead his team to?

The year Eli threw 25 INT's, you always neglect to point out that he threw 31 TD's for over 4,000 yards and his team was still 9-7. Better than the Jests record last year. What do you think their record would have been had Taco thrown 25 INT's last year? I'll go out on a limb and say there's no way Taco would have compensated by throwing 31 TD's, leading his team to 5 maybe 6 wins.

You must be dizzy from spinning.

 

[MD]

Of course, Tebow wasn't brought in here to be a starter, do you think we'd have him as the up man on punts if we expected him to be our starting QB? and do you think we would have given Sanchez a contract extension?

I'm not debating sanchez as an elite QB so your ramblings are meaningless.

Eli never played that poorly? Eli in year 7 threw TWENTY FIVE interceptions. Eli has had multiple 4 INT games and in postseason has a 3 INT game(Sanchez has 3 total).

When the argument is about Sanchez, you tell posters don't read into fantasy numbers and stats, yet now that it's about Eli, fantasy numbers are important. Eli led, yes LED, two Super Bowl game winning drives.

You really need to stay consistent to the facts and not your agenda.

 

[NYPhin24]

When the argument is about Sanchez, you tell posters don't read into fantasy numbers and stats, yet now that it's about Eli, fantasy numbers are important. Eli led, yes LED, two Super Bowl game winning drives. You really need to stay consistent to the facts and not your agenda.

From another Junc overtaken spun thread still in the main forum, i posted Sanchez below average to bad Career Stats......

Junc's response

"2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.[/QUOTE]"

 

[nyjunc]

My "ramblings" are in fact quite meaningful. You are using Eli's stats (gasp!) to build a case as to why he can't be called elite. Your words: "Eli as an individual is not [elite]. Doesn't have elite #s". Yet when we point to Taco's piss poor numbers to build a case as to why he can't even be considered a good QB you want to spin it and say that numbers don't matter. You can't have it both ways so stop trying to. Ya hypocrite.

Answer my question. Did Eli ever have a 5 INT game? You'll just keep dancing so I'll answer my own damn questions. NO, Eli never played that poorly. You wanna talk postseason? Fine. How many SB's did Snatchez lead his team to?

The year Eli threw 25 INT's, you always neglect to point out that he threw 31 TD's for over 4,000 yards and his team was still 9-7. Better than the Jests record last year. What do you think their record would have been had Taco thrown 25 INT's last year? I'll go out on a limb and say there's no way Taco would have compensated by throwing 31 TD's, leading his team to 5 maybe 6 wins.

You must be dizzy from spinning.

Oh so throwing 31 TDs makes throwing 25 INTs ok?

doesn't it tell you how good the team around the QB is if the QB throws 25 INTs and they win 10 games?

No 5 INt games for Eli, just multiple 4 INT games. Sanches has a 4 INT and 5 INT game in his rookie year, since then? he hasn't had as many as 4 in a game. Eli had 4 INT games in years 2 and 4 and 7.

heck, sanchez has only had 4 3 INT games(2 of them his rookie year), Eli has had 4 3 INT games the last 2 years(not including his 4 INT game in 2010).

When the argument is about Sanchez, you tell posters don't read into fantasy numbers and stats, yet now that it's about Eli, fantasy numbers are important. Eli led, yes LED, two Super Bowl game winning drives.

You really need to stay consistent to the facts and not your agenda.

I didn't say Eli was a bad QB, did I? Eli led teams to 9 and 10 wins in their SB seasons, he doesn't have elite #s, he doesn't have elite win totals. He and the team got hot at the right time and congrats to them but that doesn't make him elite.

From another Junc overtaken spun thread still in the main forum, i posted Sanchez below average to bad Career Stats......

Junc's response

"2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.[/QUOTE]"

You'd have a point if I was discussing Sanchez as an elite QB.

 

[sm0kinfins]

From another Junc overtaken spun thread still in the main forum, i posted Sanchez below average to bad Career Stats......

Junc's response

"2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.[/QUOTE]"

Apperantly, 2 title games losses trumps 2 Super Bowl wins/MVP's. Who woulda thunk it?

 

[DuderinoN703]

I didn't say Eli was a bad QB, did I? he doesn't have elite win totals.

Two Super Bowls wins trump your elite win totals

 

[nyjunc]

Two Super Bowls wins trump your elite win totals

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

 

[sm0kinfins]

Oh so throwing 31 TDs makes throwing 25 INTs ok?

doesn't it tell you how good the team around the QB is if the QB throws 25 INTs and they win 10 games?

No 5 INt games for Eli, just multiple 4 INT games. Sanches has a 4 INT and 5 INT game in his rookie year, since then? he hasn't had as many as 4 in a game. Eli had 4 INT games in years 2 and 4 and 7.

heck, sanchez has only had 4 3 INT games(2 of them his rookie year), Eli has had 4 3 INT games the last 2 years(not including his 4 INT game in 2010).

Yes, throwing 31 TD's does make throwing 25 INT's ok, assuming he still lead his team to a winning record and held an above average QBR. A higher QBR translates to more yardage and a higher completion percentage which, in turn, translates to longer more successful drives and winning games. Had the Taco thrown 7 TD's to go along with his 5 INT game and managed to win it too, I'd say the same thing about him.

I'd be willing to bet none of Eli's 4INT games came against Buffalo.

Eli has 2 Superbowl MVP's in 3 years. At that rate, I'd say he can have all the 4 INT games he wants. When the Taco has even one SB appearance to go along with his abysmal stats you can harp on him all you want and not receive an argument from me. Swap teams with Eli and Taco, Eli takes the jests to 2 SB's, probably 4 or 5, and Taco still has 0 SB appearances.

 

[MD]

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

He was a hell of a lot better QB those 2 seasons and made far more contributions then Trent Dilfer did. Yes the same Trent Dilfer you stated made significant contributions to the Ravens winning a Super Bowl.

 

[insomnia411]

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

You constantly contradict yourself and it's beyond annoying.
You praise Trent Dilfer because he didn't have great (or even remotely decent) stats but he was a "winner" and you always bring up the fact that Baltimore hasn't been back to the super bowl without him... (Because no other factors had anything to do with the Ravens success, just Dilfer... Genius)
Then you turn around and bash Eli because he's a winner yet you claim that he doesn't have the stats to make him elite, which is wrong anyway so you're entire argument is absolutely dumb beyond words.
The entire basis of your argument is completely contradictory and outrages. You are clearly a jilted Jets fan who is upset about the fact that the Giants have an ELIte, super bowl MVP at QB and the Jets have nothing but garbage at the position. It's really a joke, you need to start allowing facts to get in the way of your opinions. You obviously don't watch Giants football, if you did you would know that the year when he threw 25 picks, half of them were not even close to being his fault.
Long story short, everything you say is wrong, and blatantly stupid.

 

[MD]

I didn't say Eli was a bad QB, did I? Eli led teams to 9 and 10 wins in their SB seasons, he doesn't have elite #s, he doesn't have elite win totals. He and the team got hot at the right time and congrats to them but that doesn't make him elite.

So the Jets appearing in back to back title games and winning four playoff games in two years qualifies them to be elite but Eli Manning LEADING 2 SUPER BOWL GAME WINNING DRIVES doesn't make him elite? Maybe only to Jet fans who are the step child of their hometown and are in denial.

The spin master at his best.

 

[russianbear]

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

The fact that you are trying to argue Eli Manning isn't an elite QB is hilarious.
Wait, I take that back, it's moronic.

The Jets as a team from '09-'11 are the ONLY team in the NFL to reach 2 title games, are the ONLY AFC team to win 4 playoff games and one of 4 teams in the NFL to win 4 playoff games. That's elite.

The fact that you are using an '09-'11 window to glorify your 2 title "appearances" as the ONLY team in the NFL to have to done it, is hilarious.

Normally appreciate your posts, but this thread has proven to host some of your more ridiculous, delusional conclusions.

 

[sm0kinfins]

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

Hell, if you can place Trent Dilfer on a pedastool, why not make a case for Jim Plunkett?