AFC EAst rankings

[cltchperf]

Mine would look like this Based on Expactations
QB:
1. Tom Brady
2. Chad Pennington
3. AJ Feelery/Gus Ferotte
4. JP Losman

RB:
1. Corey Dillon
2. Curtis Martin(think he will finally break down)
3. Willis McGahee
4. Ronnie Brown

FB:
1. Jerald Sowell
2. Damion Shelton
3. Patrick Pass
4. Heath Evans

WR:
1. Fins
2. Bills
3. Pats
4. Jets

TE:
1. Randy McMichael
2. Daniel Graham
3. Doug Jolley
4. Mark Campbell

DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT OLINE
LT:
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Fabini
3. Mike Gandy
4. Damion McIntosh

LG:
1. Pete Kendall
2. Jeno James
3. Bennie Anderson
4. Russ Hochenstein

C:
1. Kevin Mawae
2. Dan Koppen
3. Trey Teague
4. Rex Hadnot

RG:
1. Chris Villarrial
2. Brandon Moore
3. Stephen Neal
4. Vernon Carey

RT:
1. Mike Williams
2. Stockar McDougle
3. Brandon Gorin
4. Adrian Jones

RE:
1. Jason Taylor
2. Richard Seymour
3. John Abraham
4. Aaron Schobel

LE:
1. Kevin Carter
2. Shaun Ellis
3. Ty Warren
4. Chris Kelsay

DT:
1. Sam Adams/Ron Edwards
2. Vince Wilfork
3. Dewayne Robertson/Lance Legree
4. Larry Chester/Keith Traylor

WSLB:
1. Takeo Spikes
2. Mike Vrabel
3. Eric Barton
4. Junior Seau

SSLB:
1. Willie McGinest
2. Victor Hobson
3. Jeff Posey
4. Donnie Spragan

MLB:
1. Zach Thomas
2. Jon Vilma
3. London Fletcher
4. Ted Johnson/Chad Brown

CB (Top 4):
1. Bills
2. Fins
3. Pats
4. Jets

FS:
1. Eugene Wilson
2. Erik Coleman
3. Troy Vincent
4. Traveras Tillman

SS:
1. Rodney Harrison
2. Lawyer Milloy
3. Tebucky Jones
4. John McGraw

PK:
1. Adam Vinatieri
2. Olindo Mare
3. Mike Nugent
4. Ryan Lindell

P:
1. Brian Moorman
2. Matt Turk
3. Josh Miller
4. Micah Knorr

I would agree on that list, with a few exceptions, and it would be based on talent/potential/upside, it productivity that I could see next season. Feeley/Frerotte would have to be at the bottom. Like I said with Talent I'm not exactly sure, because the AFC East has such a great group of rbs. I think Ronnie could 2nd behind Willis Mcgahee, Curtis Martin is going wear down, and Corey Dillon, I'm not sure he's really talented also. Either R.Brown ahead of Dillon or behind, but Mcgahee 1st. Should make that Wr Trio then Miami would definitly be tops (Chambers,Healthy Boston, Booker), and then Buffalo's Trio of Moulds, Evans, Parrish, N.E, and last Jets. The rest is pretty good except I'm not sure about Zach Thomas at the top, probably 2nd behind Vilma, since he's getting a little older, not the linebacker he used to be but still pretty good, nonetheless.

 

[Vessel17]

I redid the list... see what you guys think...

QB:
1. Tom Brady
2. Chad Pennington
3/4 AJ Feelery/Gus Ferotte and JP Losman (this one is way to close and too soon to call)

RB:
1. Curtis Martin
2. Corey Dillon
3. Willis McGahee
4. Ronnie Brown
-This seems about right to me

FB:
1. Jerald Sowell
2. Damion Shelton
3. Patrick Pass
4. Jamar Martin
-This is dead on

WR (Starting tandem):
1. Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
2. Chris Chambers/Marty Booker
3. David Givens/Deion Branch
4. Lavernaus Coles/Justin McCareins
-Moulds has consistently beaten double-teams throughout his career. His presence makes Lee Evans a much more dangerous threat. Chris Chambers has to prove something to everyone who isn't a Dolphin fan, it really bothers me that he hasn't had a 1,000 yard season. He also seems to disappear against division opponents. Chris Chambers against division opponents last season averaged 4 rec. for 32.4 yards and .4 Td's. The other ranks are self explanatory.


TE:
1. Randy McMichael
2. Daniel Graham
3. Doug Jolley
4. Mark Campbell
-Looks good

LT:
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Fabini
3. Vernon
4. Mike Gandy
-Looks good

LG:
1. Pete Kendall
2. Jeno James
3. Bennie Anderson
4. Russ Hochenstein
-Still agree

C:
1. Kevin Mawae
2. Dan Koppen
3. Trey Teague
4. Seth McKinney
-agree

RG:
1. Chris Villarrial
2. Brandon Moore
3. Stephen Neal
4. Rex Hadnot
-agree

RT:
1. Mike Williams
2. Stockar McDougle
3. Brandon Gorin
4. Adrian Jones
-Not really impressed by any RT in our Division but this list is fine

RE:
1. Richard Seymour
2. Jason Taylor
3. John Abraham
4. Aaron Schobel
-Richard Seymour gets this spot by being able to play DT and RE. Taylor also is in flux as to where he will play and where he will fit.

LE:
1. Shaun Ellis
2. Kevin Carter
3. Ty Warren
4. Chris Kelsay
-Looks good

DT:
1. Sam Adams/Ron Edwards
2. Dewayne Robertson/Lance Legree
3.Vince Wilfork
4. Larry Chester/Keith Traylor
-Traylor's not getting any younger...


WSLB:
1. Takeo Spikes
2. Mike Vrabel
3. Eric Barton
4. Junior Seau
-Perfect... sorry Seau has lost quite a few steps.

SSLB:
1. Willie McGinest
2. Victor Hobson
3. Jeff Posey
4. Donnie Spragan
-Part of me wants to redo this... but I think this is too close to call really.

MLB:
1. London Fletcher
2. Jonathan Vilma
3. Zach Thomas
4. Ted Johnson/Chad Brown
-I'm going to catch flak for this but I need to say this... guys Zach Thomas is running on fumes. I don't think he's going to work in Saban's defense. The sooner you get Channing Crowder at mike the better for your defense. Vilma is only going to get better. The other three have already reached their peaks.

CB (Top 4):
1. Tyrone Poole/Duane Starks/Asante Samuel/Randall Gay
2. Nate Clements/Terrence McGee/Kevin Thomas/Jabari Greer
3. Sam Madison/Reggie Howard/Mario Edwrads/Travis Daniels
4. David Barrett/Donnie Abraham/Derrick Strait/Justin Miller
-I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

FS:
1. Eugene Wilson
2. Erik Coleman
3. Troy Vincent
4. Traveras Tillman
-Y'all really need to find someone else than Tillman to play FS

SS:
1. Rodney Harrison
2. Lawyer Milloy
3. John McGraw
4. Tebucky Jones
-McGraw gets my nod over Jones because he's faster and is a better defender when the ball is in the air. McGraw 2004-2 Int's and 11 PD's despite only getting time in 12 games. Jones 2004- 1 Int and 4 PD's in all 16.

PK:
1. Adam Vinatieri
2. Olindo Mare
3. Mike Nugent
4. Ryan Lindell
-Right

P:
1. Brian Moorman
2. Matt Turk
3. Josh Miller
4. Micah Knorr
-Looks good

What do you guys think. I think most of these are fair; though I won't be surprised if people don't like them.

 

[Prime]

I redid the list... see what you guys think...

QB:
1. Tom Brady
2. Chad Pennington
3/4 AJ Feelery/Gus Ferotte and JP Losman (this one is way to close and too soon to call)

RB:
1. Curtis Martin
2. Corey Dillon
3. Willis McGahee
4. Ronnie Brown
-This seems about right to me

FB:
1. Jerald Sowell
2. Damion Shelton
3. Patrick Pass
4. Jamar Martin
-This is dead on

WR (Starting tandem):
1. Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
2. Chris Chambers/Marty Booker
3. David Givens/Deion Branch
4. Lavernaus Coles/Justin McCareins
-Moulds has consistently beaten double-teams throughout his career. His presence makes Lee Evans a much more dangerous threat. Chris Chambers has to prove something to everyone who isn't a Dolphin fan, it really bothers me that he hasn't had a 1,000 yard season. He also seems to disappear against division opponents. Chris Chambers against division opponents last season averaged 4 rec. for 32.4 yards and .4 Td's. The other ranks are self explanatory.


TE:
1. Randy McMichael
2. Daniel Graham
3. Doug Jolley
4. Mark Campbell
-Looks good

LT:
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Fabini
3. Vernon
4. Mike Gandy
-Looks good

LG:
1. Pete Kendall
2. Jeno James
3. Bennie Anderson
4. Russ Hochenstein
-Still agree

C:
1. Kevin Mawae
2. Dan Koppen
3. Trey Teague
4. Seth McKinney
-agree

RG:
1. Chris Villarrial
2. Brandon Moore
3. Stephen Neal
4. Rex Hadnot
-agree

RT:
1. Mike Williams
2. Stockar McDougle
3. Brandon Gorin
4. Adrian Jones
-Not really impressed by any RT in our Division but this list is fine

RE:
1. Richard Seymour
2. Jason Taylor
3. John Abraham
4. Aaron Schobel
-Richard Seymour gets this spot by being able to play DT and RE. Taylor also is in flux as to where he will play and where he will fit.

LE:
1. Shaun Ellis
2. Kevin Carter
3. Ty Warren
4. Chris Kelsay
-Looks good

DT:
1. Sam Adams/Ron Edwards
2. Dewayne Robertson/Lance Legree
3.Vince Wilfork
4. Larry Chester/Keith Traylor
-Traylor's not getting any younger...


WSLB:
1. Takeo Spikes
2. Mike Vrabel
3. Eric Barton
4. Junior Seau
-Perfect... sorry Seau has lost quite a few steps.

SSLB:
1. Willie McGinest
2. Victor Hobson
3. Jeff Posey
4. Donnie Spragan
-Part of me wants to redo this... but I think this is too close to call really.

MLB:
1. London Fletcher
2. Jonathan Vilma
3. Zach Thomas
4. Ted Johnson/Chad Brown
-I'm going to catch flak for this but I need to say this... guys Zach Thomas is running on fumes. I don't think he's going to work in Saban's defense. The sooner you get Channing Crowder at mike the better for your defense. Vilma is only going to get better. The other three have already reached their peaks.

CB (Top 4):
1. Tyrone Poole/Duane Starks/Asante Samuel/Randall Gay
2. Nate Clements/Terrence McGee/Kevin Thomas/Jabari Greer
3. Sam Madison/Reggie Howard/Mario Edwrads/Travis Daniels
4. David Barrett/Donnie Abraham/Derrick Strait/Justin Miller
-I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

FS:
1. Eugene Wilson
2. Erik Coleman
3. Troy Vincent
4. Traveras Tillman
-Y'all really need to find someone else than Tillman to play FS

SS:
1. Rodney Harrison
2. Lawyer Milloy
3. John McGraw
4. Tebucky Jones
-McGraw gets my nod over Jones because he's faster and is a better defender when the ball is in the air. McGraw 2004-2 Int's and 11 PD's despite only getting time in 12 games. Jones 2004- 1 Int and 4 PD's in all 16.

PK:
1. Adam Vinatieri
2. Olindo Mare
3. Mike Nugent
4. Ryan Lindell
-Right

P:
1. Brian Moorman
2. Matt Turk
3. Josh Miller
4. Micah Knorr
-Looks good

What do you guys think. I think most of these are fair; though I won't be surprised if people don't like them.

Zach Thomas at 3rd? He should def be #1 there. Seau isnt the worst of the bunch, Barton has got to be the worst of the four. The Bills DT's are prob the 2nd or 3rd ranked, Wilfork is prob #1.

 

[cltchperf]

I redid the list... see what you guys think...

QB:
1. Tom Brady
2. Chad Pennington
3/4 AJ Feelery/Gus Ferotte and JP Losman (this one is way to close and too soon to call)

RB:
1. Curtis Martin
2. Corey Dillon
3. Willis McGahee
4. Ronnie Brown
-This seems about right to me

FB:
1. Jerald Sowell
2. Damion Shelton
3. Patrick Pass
4. Jamar Martin
-This is dead on

WR (Starting tandem):
1. Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
2. Chris Chambers/Marty Booker
3. David Givens/Deion Branch
4. Lavernaus Coles/Justin McCareins
-Moulds has consistently beaten double-teams throughout his career. His presence makes Lee Evans a much more dangerous threat. Chris Chambers has to prove something to everyone who isn't a Dolphin fan, it really bothers me that he hasn't had a 1,000 yard season. He also seems to disappear against division opponents. Chris Chambers against division opponents last season averaged 4 rec. for 32.4 yards and .4 Td's. The other ranks are self explanatory.


TE:
1. Randy McMichael
2. Daniel Graham
3. Doug Jolley
4. Mark Campbell
-Looks good

LT:
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Fabini
3. Vernon
4. Mike Gandy
-Looks good

LG:
1. Pete Kendall
2. Jeno James
3. Bennie Anderson
4. Russ Hochenstein
-Still agree

C:
1. Kevin Mawae
2. Dan Koppen
3. Trey Teague
4. Seth McKinney
-agree

RG:
1. Chris Villarrial
2. Brandon Moore
3. Stephen Neal
4. Rex Hadnot
-agree

RT:
1. Mike Williams
2. Stockar McDougle
3. Brandon Gorin
4. Adrian Jones
-Not really impressed by any RT in our Division but this list is fine

RE:
1. Richard Seymour
2. Jason Taylor
3. John Abraham
4. Aaron Schobel
-Richard Seymour gets this spot by being able to play DT and RE. Taylor also is in flux as to where he will play and where he will fit.

LE:
1. Shaun Ellis
2. Kevin Carter
3. Ty Warren
4. Chris Kelsay
-Looks good

DT:
1. Sam Adams/Ron Edwards
2. Dewayne Robertson/Lance Legree
3.Vince Wilfork
4. Larry Chester/Keith Traylor
-Traylor's not getting any younger...


WSLB:
1. Takeo Spikes
2. Mike Vrabel
3. Eric Barton
4. Junior Seau
-Perfect... sorry Seau has lost quite a few steps.

SSLB:
1. Willie McGinest
2. Victor Hobson
3. Jeff Posey
4. Donnie Spragan
-Part of me wants to redo this... but I think this is too close to call really.

MLB:
1. London Fletcher
2. Jonathan Vilma
3. Zach Thomas
4. Ted Johnson/Chad Brown
-I'm going to catch flak for this but I need to say this... guys Zach Thomas is running on fumes. I don't think he's going to work in Saban's defense. The sooner you get Channing Crowder at mike the better for your defense. Vilma is only going to get better. The other three have already reached their peaks.

CB (Top 4):
1. Tyrone Poole/Duane Starks/Asante Samuel/Randall Gay
2. Nate Clements/Terrence McGee/Kevin Thomas/Jabari Greer
3. Sam Madison/Reggie Howard/Mario Edwrads/Travis Daniels
4. David Barrett/Donnie Abraham/Derrick Strait/Justin Miller
-I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

FS:
1. Eugene Wilson
2. Erik Coleman
3. Troy Vincent
4. Traveras Tillman
-Y'all really need to find someone else than Tillman to play FS

SS:
1. Rodney Harrison
2. Lawyer Milloy
3. John McGraw
4. Tebucky Jones
-McGraw gets my nod over Jones because he's faster and is a better defender when the ball is in the air. McGraw 2004-2 Int's and 11 PD's despite only getting time in 12 games. Jones 2004- 1 Int and 4 PD's in all 16.

PK:
1. Adam Vinatieri
2. Olindo Mare
3. Mike Nugent
4. Ryan Lindell
-Right

P:
1. Brian Moorman
2. Matt Turk
3. Josh Miller
4. Micah Knorr
-Looks good

What do you guys think. I think most of these are fair; though I won't be surprised if people don't like them.

I understand but I remember in the high scoring Buffalo game, that in the first half, Feeley had to get rid of the ball quickly because of our suspect o-line. He was getting rid of the ball so quickly yet Chambers was getting open fast, I remember the announcers saying something about how quickly Chambers was getting open, which caused the sudden points by Miami. He 4catches50yards, but that was in the first half, Buffalo made some changes in the half to try get pressure on Feeley or confuse him, which I guess isn't hard, He ended up throwing 5 Ints in that, and then I think there were 2 fumbles, 7 turnovers overall. He was getting pressured alot in the 2nd half, and the lack of time affected him, because I know he was getting confused, and that also caused less opportunities for Chambers in the 2nd half of the game. Wanny was an idiot, though. Miami didn't have a single running back that was good, yet Miami's playcalling was run,run,run, punt. run, run,pass, etc. Chambers also was used right either, he's a really good deep threat, he can play possesion receiver really well also, but he should also get the ball thrown deep to him. I didn't seep a deep pass to him once last season, and sure he was open a few times, I don't care even if he was covered well one-on-one, Feeley still should've thrown a deep pass, and give Chambers a jump ball pass, so that use his nasty vertical and leap over his defender, and snatch the ball in the air, or make a juggling catch. Oh, well this year Chambers is actually going to utilized right under Scott Linehan, a better 0-line, good rb, He's gonna breakout this year.

 

[Vessel17]

Zach Thomas at 3rd? He should def be #1 there. Seau isnt the worst of the bunch, Barton has got to be the worst of the four. The Bills DT's are prob the 2nd or 3rd ranked, Wilfork is prob #1.

Zach Thomas is out of place in Saban's defense. He's had a great career, but it's time to hang up the pads. Seau is old, slow, and feeble. If he really wants to help the Phins then he'll offer to coach for them. It's difficult to compare Wilfork with Adams and Edwards as Wilfork is playing a two gap and Adam and Edwards are playing a one. I'm raking Adams and Edwards ahead b/c of experience.

 

[Vessel17]

Scott Linehan, a better 0-line, good rb, He's gonna breakout this year.

Chambers is starting to get too old to keep saying he still needs to break-out. The main thing that will hinder him is the lack of talent at the QB position. I don't get to watch many Phins games in KY so I can't see these flashes of brilliance that Chambers has so I have to base most of my analysis on his overall production which really isn't that impressive. 900 yards and 7-8 TD's is a decent season, but not for someone who gets all the attention that Chambers does. He's going to have to produce before I call him anything more than a solid reciever.

 

[cltchperf]

Chambers is starting to get too old to keep saying he still needs to break-out. The main thing that will hinder him is the lack of talent at the QB position. I don't get to watch many Phins games in KY so I can't see these flashes of brilliance that Chambers has so I have to base most of my analysis on his overall production which really isn't that impressive. 900 yards and 7-8 TD's is a decent season, but not for someone who gets all the attention that Chambers does. He's going to have to produce before I call him anything more than a solid reciever.

actually he's only 26 I believe, and he had the 11Td's in '03 which was third in the league only behind R.Moss, T.Holt, but I can understand if you've never seen him play, but he does make spectacular plays, he is a play maker, I hope he finally breaks 1,000yards next season, I didn't know this but, did you know it took Cris Carter 6 seasons before he broke 1,000 yards, I can show you the stats if you don't believe me, but I want Chambers to get 1,000 this year, which I believe he'll actaully have a good oppotunity to next.

 

[Vessel17]

actually he's only 26 I believe, and he had the 11Td's in '03 which was third in the league only behind R.Moss, T.Holt, but I can understand if you've never seen him play, but he does make spectacular plays, he is a play maker, I hope he finally breaks 1,000yards next season, I didn't know this but, did you know it took Cris Carter 6 seasons before he broke 1,000 yards, I can show you the stats if you don't believe me, but I want Chambers to get 1,000 this year, which I believe he'll actaully have a good oppotunity to next.

Chambers is 26, but it's his 5th year. He's an established veteran. Usually "breakout" WR's are young guys coming into their own. That was Chambers 2 years ago IMO. I realize Carter didn't have 1,000 yards until he was in the league for awhile, but he also wasn't really considered a premier reciever until he started producing more.

 

[TakeoSpikes51]

We have the best wr's in east for sure.

:rofl3: What are you smoking? Can you say, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans and Rascoe Parrish?

 

[cltchperf]

Chambers is 26, but it's his 5th year. He's an established veteran. Usually "breakout" WR's are young guys coming into their own. That was Chambers 2 years ago IMO. I realize Carter didn't have 1,000 yards until he was in the league for awhile, but he also wasn't really considered a premier reciever until he started producing more.

Well he will break 1,000 this year, I feel confident in that, if not then who knows what will happen then. This will be a time that he actually has a good opportunity,too. Especially under linehans' influence

 

[Vessel17]

Well he will break 1,000 this year, I feel confident in that, if not then who knows what will happen then. This will be a time that he actually has a good opportunity,too. Especially under linehans' influence

I understand that Linehan will open up the offense but unless Linehan is putting on pads and throwing the ball to Chambers then I'm just not confident. I think good ol' Gus is the best QB in the Phins' camp this year. He does have experience with Linehan's system, but Chambers is going to be doubled almost every play. I know that Booker will attract some attention on the other side, but he's more of a possession guy.

Is it the opening up of the offense that inspires your confidence or is it Feeley/Gus?

 

[cltchperf]

I understand that Linehan will open up the offense but unless Linehan is putting on pads and throwing the ball to Chambers then I'm just not confident. I think good ol' Gus is the best QB in the Phins' camp this year. He does have experience with Linehan's system, but Chambers is going to be doubled almost every play. I know that Booker will attract some attention on the other side, but he's more of a possession guy.

Is it the opening up of the offense that inspires your confidence or is it Feeley/Gus?

Well as many things that happended with Feeley, I believe that Feeley, and Gus have better physical passing ability than Fiedler, I just hope Feeley gets better on his decision making, and Linehan definilty helps also. Hopefully Boston will be pretty healthy during the season, because he could break up the double teams on Chambers as well

 

[Vessel17]

Well as many things that happended with Feeley, I believe that Feeley, and Gus have better physical passing ability than Fiedler, I just hope Feeley gets better on his decision making, and Linehan definilty helps also. Hopefully Boston will be pretty healthy during the season, because he could break up the double teams on Chambers as well

I 1/2 agree, I think Gus is a decent passer, he defintely has a stronger arm than Fiedler. Feeley I'm just not impressed with, if he has a better arm than Fiedler I think it's marginally so. I've read many Miami fans who bash Fiedler, but I was more scared of him than Griese or Feeley.

 

[Prime]

:rofl3: What are you smoking? Can you say, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans and Rascoe Parrish?

I hope that you honestly dont think that thr Bills have the best WR core....because they dont. The Pats have the best WR core because they can makes plays and catch the ball when needed. The Pats WR's has always been underrated because people think that Tom Brady does it all, which he dont. Then we come in second because we have Chambers, Booker, Boston and Thompson. The Bills would come in 3rd place while the Jets come in last.

 

[Justasportsfan]

I hope that you honestly dont think that thr Bills have the best WR core....because they dont. The Pats have the best WR core because they can makes plays and catch the ball when needed. The Pats WR's has always been underrated because people think that Tom Brady does it all, which he dont. Then we come in second because we have Chambers, Booker, Boston and Thompson. The Bills would come in 3rd place while the Jets come in last.

Your wr's are unproven playing for the fins. It looks good on paper but NONE of your wr's even caught 1000 yards last year. Paper and potential don't win games. Boston hasn't done squat in years as a matter of fact, his contract says so.