AJ is indeed improving

[TeeMoney]

That does not mean that that is a good thing.

This is so funny. It's a good thing if Feeley starts, but a bad thing if Frerotte beats Feeley.

 

[TeeMoney]

I am not about to search the web for quotes from two years ago.

This is because you can't find these quotes. You can't find any information from any GM's of last year that stated that Feeley was the best choice. The closest you will come to was when Wolfe was being courted by the Dolphins and he mentioned that he thought Feeley had potential. That is it. That is the limit of your ability to bring forth the information that you, somehow, were able to remember completely- yet no one else can.

 

[adamprez2003]

This is so funny. It's a good thing if Feeley starts, but a bad thing if Frerotte beats Feeley.

How old are you? 20?

What don't you get?

Frerotte is a known commodity. You know what you are getting. Feeley is still developing. He has the greater potential. Now maybe he will not be able to put it all together and will never pan out. But if that's the case our qb will be an area of concern going into next season. I am not saying Feeley should start if he cant beat out Frerotte I am saying that I truly hope that he is better than Frerotte because our benchmark for that position should be higher than Frerotte

 

[KB21]

The offense as a whole last season set AJ as well as the rest of the offense up as a failure from the very beginning. The offense was a complete cluster f*ck from the top on down. When you have coaches that can't agree on what should be run, and then you have Dave's hand in the mix, you are doomed from the get go.

Last year's offensive performance is a very poor indicator of a player's ability whether that player is AJ at quarterback or Seth McKinney at center.

This issue will boil down to this though. AJ is getting his opportunity in a real system to show he can be the man. If he does, then he's the man. If Gus beats him out, it is very likely the Dolphins will release AJ at the end of the season and go in a different direction.

 

[PhinBeck]

When, exactly, did these people get together to decide this??? Can you tell us when they are meeting this year? This is bullsh*t

It is only BS because you dont like it. You criticize people because of looking at it at a diff angle than yu, yet you looking at it from only your perspective is ok? Definition of hypocritical. Wolf said he liked AJ, he isnt Spielman. Fassel liked him. Kosar likes him, Simms likes him. You can read what you want into Saban not going after a qb anyway tyou want, whicjh you will. But I GUARENTEE Saban didnt bring Frerrotte in to be the future. Like if you want dont if you dont. You have to be blind to see a 33, 34 yr old journeyman is not a clubs future qb going into the next decade. Doesnt mean he thinks AJ is guarentee, just that he sees enough in AJ that he didnt have to make that position top priority. Like it or not. Actions speak louder than words, if you choose to ignore those actions, so be it.

Point is, you guys can be sick of whatever you want, but so can I. I am sick of everyone who is in panic, the "woa is me" frame of mind looking for a scapegoat always blaming AJ for everything and saying it is fact based on stats or record. Stats are not like baseball in that they are not individual based, they are team based. Wr running wrong routes, tipped balls etc give qb neg stats, but arent attributable to the qb, but qb gets the stat. That is why the league toyed with teh idea of team ints, and team fumbles, etc so an individual could not be held responsible for mistakes out of their control. Of course many mistakes by AJ were his fault, of course he takes blame.

I just hate the "if you dont take my side of teh equation as gospel you are completely subjective, while you of the "I who place all teh teams faults on AJ because I dont like him and I have to be right" people are clearly objective. You want an objective response? give an objective post.

 

[Dudeman]

How old are you? 20?

What don't you get?

Frerotte is a known commodity. You know what you are getting. Feeley is still developing. He has the greater potential. Now maybe he will not be able to put it all together and will never pan out. But if that's the case our qb will be an area of concern going into next season. I am not saying Feeley should start if he cant beat out Frerotte I am saying that I truly hope that he is better than Frerotte because our benchmark for that position should be higher than Frerotte

why does our benchmark have to be higher? If Gus proves that he can win games, what higher benchmark can there be? I truly dont understand some of your arguments.

 

[TeeMoney]

What don't you get?

It is now clear that you are the one with the problem understanding what you are saying.

In your first post here you said that "frerotte was brought in as a back-up" and that he is here to "teach Feeley the system".

You then said (and this was the "bottom line") that "numerous football operators (?) scouts, gm's" ... didn't think Miami got ripped off. Yet you are unable, after repeated requests to do so, to provide any proof that these guys got together to decide whether Miami got ripped off or not. Of course, you said that was the bottom line, so we should just leave it at that, right?

Next you support your opinion of Feeley upon your evaluation (professional, no doubt) review of Frerotte. If you don't see how ridiculous that sounds then there is no hope for you. Of course, this is all with the caveate that if Frerotte starts for Miami the sky will fall and dogs will marry cats.

Finally, you are coming around to the notion that the best player should and will start and it is Saban's decision. It took you a while to come around to the correct conclusion but you weren't working with much anyway.

 

[TeeMoney]

I just hate the "if you dont take my side of teh equation as gospel ....

I agree. :)

 

[PhinBeck]

It is now clear that you are the one with the problem understanding what you are saying.

In your first post here you said that "frerotte was brought in as a back-up" and that he is here to "teach Feeley the system".

You then said (and this was the "bottom line") that "numerous football operators (?) scouts, gm's" ... didn't think Miami got ripped off. Yet you are unable, after repeated requests to do so, to provide any proof that these guys got together to decide whether Miami got ripped off or not. Of course, you said that was the bottom line, so we should just leave it at that, right?

Next you support your opinion of Feeley upon your evaluation (professional, no doubt) review of Frerotte. If you don't see how ridiculous that sounds then there is no hope for you. Of course, this is all with the caveate that if Frerotte starts for Miami the sky will fall and dogs will marry cats.

Finally, you are coming around to the notion that the best player should and will start and it is Saban's decision. It took you a while to come around to the correct conclusion but you weren't working with much anyway.

Wolf was one, Savage another. Kosar tho not a GM knows more about the position than me or you EVER will thought iit was good. Yep many also didnt like it, that is true as well. But because you side with the ones who didnt, doesn't discount that there were as many that said AJ was the best young qb available AT THAT TIME! We knew we couldnt mnove up in the draft, we didnt have the ammo. We may have been screwed in teh Carey deal, but if he becomes a fixture at Lt for a decade, will you still complain? Time to come out of utopia and join teh real world. ( not talking to Teemoney specifically, it is to all those that have the thinking that every deal should always be a steal deal, one that is made at true market value, w/o really understanding the what market value is.) Yes in hindsight carey was the wrong move to make based on he most likely would have fallen one spot, but it is easy to sit there when you dont have anything other than fan interest at stake. RS had is arse on teh line, yes he died by it, but he obviously felt the draft slipping away, players he coveted fell like flies and he paniced into ensuring he got the last player on his coveted list. MANY draft trades fall like this, remember Minn Wash a couple years ago? Also remember what the plan was when we got AJ? It wasnt get AJ and have him throw it 50 times a game. Many factors involved that seem to get lost in the discussion because if they were, some arguments on both sides would not carry the weight it is intended to carry.

My argument? AJ is a still unknown. I trust Saban, if he thinks AJ has it, I believe him, if he doesnt, I believe him. AJ will prove to Saban one way or the other.

 

[TeeMoney]

Rickyrunsover, I don't know why you are attempting to defend the guy because it is indefensable. He didn't say there were a few guys that liked AJ. He said there was a consensus that Miami didn't get ripped off by trading a 2nd for Feeley. I don't expect anyone to say Feeley is a bad player, or Feeley has no future. I fully expect people to say Frerotte is a career back-up and is only Miami's QB right now because he knows the system Linehan brought in. It's just the refusal to accept any other opinion or truth other than the one "you" have- and to make stuff up to support your opinion- that I don't agree with.

 

[fishypete]

You comparing Feeley to Young now?

How about comparing the Old Bucs team to last season's Dolphins team....then you can compare Feeley to Young very easily. Like Feeley....young couldn't do anything on that team....he didn't have the time to throw...or a running game to help him.....youngs words when he left the bucs.....thank you lord...miracles do happen!

 

[TeeMoney]

My argument? AJ is a still unknown. I trust Saban, if he thinks AJ has it, I believe him, if he doesnt, I believe him. AJ will prove to Saban one way or the other.

I have the same feelings as you do regarding AJ.

 

[PhinBeck]

Rickyrunsover, I don't know why you are attempting to defend the guy because it is indefensable. He didn't say there were a few guys that liked AJ. He said there was a consensus that Miami didn't get ripped off by trading a 2nd for Feeley. I don't expect anyone to say Feeley is a bad player, or Feeley has no future. I fully expect people to say Frerotte is a career back-up and is only Miami's QB right now because he knows the system Linehan brought in. It's just the refusal to accept any other opinion or truth other than the one "you" have- and to make stuff up to support your opinion- that I don't agree with.

Ok first off maybe I didnt get the whole jist of teh argument. If he said there was a consensus, I agree with you there wasnt. But there were as many in favor as there were against. I do onot know what you know of Philli fans, but what I know is that they are die hard, know their team in and out and are logical with each other and their players. They are ignorant and atagonistic toward other teams and fans but they are rabis fans./ They loved AJ. I never heard anyone at that time say it was a dumb trade and AJ would never live up to expectations, what I heard was there was some uncertainty and that the risk of bust at that cost was greater than what they would have taken.

But I agree that anyone on either side of teh argument who acts like there is a clear consensus supporting their argument is wrong. there are 2 sides to teh equation because the final determination is not in yet, so there is no clear cut wrong or right.

 

[adamprez2003]

It is now clear that you are the one with the problem understanding what you are saying.

In your first post here you said that "frerotte was brought in as a back-up" and that he is here to "teach Feeley the system".

You then said (and this was the "bottom line") that "numerous football operators (?) scouts, gm's" ... didn't think Miami got ripped off. Yet you are unable, after repeated requests to do so, to provide any proof that these guys got together to decide whether Miami got ripped off or not. Of course, you said that was the bottom line, so we should just leave it at that, right?

Next you support your opinion of Feeley upon your evaluation (professional, no doubt) review of Frerotte. If you don't see how ridiculous that sounds then there is no hope for you. Of course, this is all with the caveate that if Frerotte starts for Miami the sky will fall and dogs will marry cats.

Finally, you are coming around to the notion that the best player should and will start and it is Saban's decision. It took you a while to come around to the correct conclusion but you weren't working with much anyway.

Put the bong down.

You are right. Frerotte was brought in to be the starter. Saban realized that Feeley is no good and he decided that the future of this team is bet served by having a 34 year old quarterback take us to the Super Bowl. Frerotte is under instructions to purposely NOT teach Feeley a thing about Linehan's offense, In fact he will purposely give Feeley bad instructions.

And yes I am purposely refusing to spend an hoour searching for quotes from GMs and scouts in their fabled yearly meeting because I just made that up out of the clear blue. Every GM in the NFL clearly knew that Feeley was horrible

Yes and its true that anybody who believes that Frerotte is not the answer clearly grasps nothing about the game

And yes, everyone here knows that I would prefer that even if Feeley is horrible I woyld prefer him to start

Grow up

 

[TeeMoney]

I am purposely refusing to spend an hoour searching for quotes from GMs and scouts because I just made that up out of the clear blue.

And yes, everyone here knows that I would prefer that even if Feeley is horrible I woyld prefer him to start

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